trailfndr, if you were laying people off, even temporarily, would you think of that as a surplus of people? ( they do not have a return to work date, the posting for Woodhaven says 3 month renewable loan) It really bothers me that they would allow people to sign up for a plant that is 51 miles away (Rawsonville to Van Dyke) instead of sending them to Woodhaven stamping which is about 23 miles away? So, we laid people off and sent people to Woodhaven. If they had posted those jobs at my plant, FRAP, people who live out that way such as myself could maybe drive anywhere from 10 to 15 miles instead of driving 40 miles one way. We are just upset that we were not considered at all. If I were to sign it and could not make the cut according to seniority, then so be it, but to not get that opportunity is just a bunch of crap...