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I don't disagree. Just pointing out that we've done similar things in our past.
We knew in the 40-50's that we were polluting too and did little about it. The Cuyahoga river caught on fire 10+ times and an almost 40 mile stretch was without any aquatic life outside of algae. Lake Erie was called a dead lake because of the run off from fertilizer and the pollution for manufacturing. Billions of gallons of fresh water nearly unusable.
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Your paying an extra half hour a month to see it.
So are you correct?
I'm not a big fan of Jimmy or the decisions he makes, but I'm not a fan of Leduff and his whole act either.
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MiLangDad isn't concerned because he does think that offensive thought should be punished.
Also, I'm part Cherokee, and not offended in any way by the name of a football team.
Not punished. Business shouldn't be able to profit off of offensive speech and the Lanham act specifically details that.
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Recently saw an article, somewhere, that says"redskin" was coined by the Native Americans when they first met the White Man as a differentiation.
Again, why would anyone name a team after something the CURRENT society would consider less than the best and most proud?
Gay doesn't mean what it did 50 years ago. Dyke has a whole new meaning as well. But Redskin was selected because it evoked strength, tenacity, honor and courage.
So, are Native Americans THAT much insulted to be associated with those qualities?
There are small percentages of society that are offended about SOMETHING every day. The name is not intended as such. But, there ain't much heat for ending "cracker" or "honkey". Whites don't take it so personally.
let's see what qualities are "Associated" with the term redskin
An 1871 novel spoke of "redskinned devils." The Rocky Mountain News in 1890 described a war on the whites by "every greasy redskin." The Denver Daily News the same year reported a rebellion by "the most treacherous red skins.""route the savages from the Illinois and Mississippi territories[.]" "The expedition will be 40 days out, and there is no doubt but we shall have to contend with powerful hordes of red skins, as our frontiers have been lined with them last summer, and have had frequent skirmishes with our regulars and rangers."The proud spirit of the original owners of these vast prairies inherited through centuries of fierce and bloody wars for their possession, lingered last in the bosom of Sitting Bull. With his fall the nobility of the Redskin is extinguished, and what few are left are a pack of whining curs who lick the hand that smites them. The Whites, by law of conquest, by justice of civilization, are masters of the American continent, and the best safety of the frontier settlements will be secured by the total annihilation of the few remaining Indians. Why not annihilation? Their glory has fled, their spirit broken, their manhood effaced; better that they die than live the miserable wretches that they are.-L. Frank BaumAnd while the Redskins still use a racial slur for their team name, some words in the original fight song didn't do much to deflect accusations of racism. Where the song now says, "Beat 'em, swamp 'em, touchdown! -- Let the points soar!" it once went, "Scalp 'em, swamp 'em -- We will take 'em big score / Read 'em, weep 'em, touchdown! -- We want heap more!"Yep, you're right, they only meant the best.
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3 things I took from that video.
Settles is a thug. All he wanted to do is intimidate people by stepping into them and getting loud.
350 people at International making 100k+? Seriously? Why no cutbacks there?
The workers from Chattanooga and the guy in the white shirt have a point. What can our union offer other workers that they don't already have? We have given back in the past three contracts and our representatives take more from us every month without asking our opinion. Then they go back on their promise that all additional income goes directly to the strike fund.
Next contract will be interesting for sure.
Nobody wants to leave the union in Michigan when our right to work option kicks in? You sure about that Jimmy?
I kinda like that Jimmy went after Leduff. I didn't like the piece he did on the Volkswagen organizing and he seems like the run your mouth and hide behind the camera's type. Maybe Chuck and jimmy could step out back and handle things. I'd pay to see it.
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Just wonderin' why NFL, NBA, MLB and Collegiate teams would brand their teams with anything but monikers that reflect, strength, power, teamwork, winning, bravery, and devotion?
Braves, Warriors, and even Redskins. Those names were chosen BECAUSE they represented the best in competition and honor.
Wonder why THAT would offend anyone?
Would these make a better choice....?
Mamma's Boys, Running Bears, Fancy Pants, Teetotalers, The Timid-men, Softies, Panic Attackers,.........
The term Redskin doesn't have a history of being used by non-native Americans to convey any of your suggestions. It was used as a slur for many many years.
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Disagree. There is no evidence that (at the time) the name was intended as a slur.
Regardless, for me this is about protecting property rights, as well as speech. Both trump the "right not to be offended".
The name IS a slur though. The law is clear in that regard. The case presented in 92 and now was much deeper than just offense. They presented testimony to the words usage throughout our countries history and clearly showed that the word WAS used disparagingly and like I said the law is clear.
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I agree it's a singular point, but of a larger problem.
That it was granted in the first place or that Native Americans finally were gained a voice in our society outside of reservations and casinos?
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I never said I was complaining. I just said it made no sense.
Inventory costs money and taxes. So does OT but at least they are selling product when they pay it out.
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The USPTO is merely an example of the problem.
If there is no possibility of the government imposing itself on something important (to you), then there must be very few things you value in life. I'm not sure if that's to be pitied or not.
There's no need to pity me because you're taking my answer to a particular example and extrapolating outward. I understand to you this is a giant ideological issue but to me it's merely a singular point concerning the usage of a disparaging term as a trademark.
And as a single point issue I have no worries about mission creep because the Lanham act is as specific as it needs to be. The term redskin has a history of being used to disparage Native Americans, it was okayed in error by the office and upon review was removed. This is merely a correction to the registration of six trademarks that did not meet the law originally.
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Are you intentionally being obtuse?
I'm sure you're familiar with the idea of "mission creep". That is where our Trademark office is right now. Things like "offensive speech" or "offensive names" are just ethereal concepts that have no meaning except those that people whimsically apply.
If you have any objection to the idea that thoughts can be crimes, then you should understand what I'm getting at.
It's fine if you don't agree with me. Someday, somebody will come after something you value, and then you'll object. (and no, I don't value the name "Redskins")
I'm sorry but I don't believe that "mission creep" in the trademark and patent office will eventually come after something I value. I don't hold any patents or trademarks and do not currently value anyone elses. As for Mount Rushmore, I don't have any vested interest in it either way, probably much to people's chagrin.
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So you and I never the sheep in a den of wolves.
That's the reason you oppose this? Some metaphorical ideology?
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Nascar is a giant infomercial with fan favorites.
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M, the rules change with politics. You keep forgetting that. As the Left may score a win from time to time, so too does the Right, as the political winds change.
When it comes to wanting "the rules" to stay the same, you can bet I'll be obstinate. It's for a reason, and for our mutual benefit (whether you believe me on that or not)
What is the reason?
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Ranger, the rules are more defined than you think, the burden of proof is deeper than outrage and your forgetting that there is case law also involved at this point.
The Natives that sued in 1992 and again today had to do more than say their feelings were hurt and did so. You're being obstinate out of some fear of traditions being easily challenged when it wasn't the case. These fights for removal of objectionable mascots have been going on since before I was born and it was slow to change.
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But it should happen the right way.
If peoples' attitude is so put off and they cease buying tickets or memorabilia, that the Redskins' owner's bottom line suffers; and THEN he decides to change the name, that's okay by me.
Getting the government to harm his bottom line, is NOT okay by me.
Why is it okay to you? When will it NOT be acceptable to you?
When will it not be acceptable for people to pursue trademark removal that are known to be slurs under the rules set forth by the Lanham act? Whether i like it or not , it will always be okay as the US code sets forth the rules by which trademarks are governed. The Trademark Trial and Appeal board is there to sort through 3rd. party claims against trademarks. The case against the Washington redskins was previously brought before both the district court and the Appeals court with the trademark being maintained based only on a "laches" defense.
This issue is not one being decided arbitrarily with little thought but through a careful evaluation of both sides and the law.
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All you have to do is visit the home page of the National Congress of American Indians to see where their leadership stands.
And it's not like this is the first time a team has changed its name to stop offending a particular group: St. Bonaventure Brown Indians, Marquette Warriors, St. John's Redmen, Miami (OH) Redskins, Syracuse Orangemen.
Several other teams no longer use native american imagery now either, even though the names have not yet changed, Texas Tech Red Raiders and William & Mary Tribe amongst them.
Not only did Syracuse have the Orangeman, a reference to the Northern Ireland fraternal order which saw some of it's members involved in sectarian violence, it removed it's Saltine warrior mascot at behest of Native Americans. And eventually it removed the reference to that organization also and just became the Orange.
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My Ford email account provides me with a Y: that is remotely located in Dearborn. There I can archive and store documents on a fully backed up server system. My local drive is not where they are stored.
Her excuse is pure, simple B.S. and using that excuse should bring charges of criminal negligence, at a minimum. She was a director, not some schlub like me. Her communications had direct relationship to policies and their legal implementation.
Only a sycophant would defend this irresponsibility.
I'm only stating what the official report says, not adding my judgement. Perhaps Ford being a public multinational corp has a better system. And I guess I don't rank as high as you, because I only have the ability to archive on my workstation or the plant network.
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OK I'm not tech savvy but if my computer crashed, burned got stolen whatever, I can still see my e-mails by using a different computer and logging in to my g-mail - msn - Hotmail - outlook - whichever you use. So yes to me it sounds like B.S.
The problem is that the server required you to archive them on your workstation after your inbox reached 1,800 emails. Her hard drive crashed in 2011 with those archived emails on it.
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Leduff is an ass. I wish Jimmy would have put a beat down on him. At least that would be Settles decision I could get behind.
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I read earlier that Lois' crashed hard drive was disposed of in a metal shredder.
Probably a smart policy when disposing of (potentially) sensitive data, but certainly adds to the "hmmm" factor.
Yeah it does have a "hmmmm" feel to it, but I'm sure that it's just a standard practice to prevent hackers from dumpster diving.
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Remember to click the links occasionally too. LOL
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We ARE going down that path. Just try to keep your money if you work hard enough to out-earn a democrat. Wait, I haven't seen Harry Reid claiming he's dead broke. And he gets better health care and pension than anyone he represents.
What???
attendance problems
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Yeah, they should thank us for the lower wages, and lesser benefits that they get. Woo woo, while we are at it, the tier 1 low seniority should thank us for the longer max pay progression and longer time for medical also. Look atball those things we gave you. You best be appreciative and act grateful, just like Little Country. Next time Little country sees King or Settles he's going to buynthem a Gatorade on a hot day just to say thanks for his job.