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7 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
We all know Hackett was a buffoon in way over his head in an industry he knew nothing about.But...but...Hackett played for Bo Schembechler ?
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22 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
If you say so. My personal experience says otherwise.Fuzzy when were you at Flat Rock? I was a guest of AAI from May/2003 until Feb/2007 when I returned to Livonia. Was a team leader in unit 17 on the dreaded 6:54PM-5:24AM shift.
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1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
Big difference in the reaction on the MAP Facebook groups I’m in vs the post on the UAW International page. There’s 1 guy in particular I know is going to be very, VERY bitter for the next 4 years if this passes.It's going to be difficult to work with some of these people moving forward. The same ones screaming solidarity and saying vote no are the ones who don't get along with anybody and do whatever they can to make their work life better at the expense of others when we're not on strike.
There are many examples but one is especially egregious. This poor woman was getting berated for working overtime. She was on medical leave for 6 months. If she doesn't get hours now she'll lose vacation time and profit sharing next year. These a-holes said she should've planned better. Are you freaking kidding me? How do you plan ahead for a long term, unexpected medical leave?
I've learned that what they really mean by solidarity is that we're all supposed to drink the same kool aid and subscribe to their ways of thinking. To me, however, solidarity goes both ways. We don't know people's situations outside of work. We should all be supporting each other.
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Some of the idiots here are already asking to have their "no" votes counted now... haven't even seen the details but they'll still vote no. These people piss me off!
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1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
8pm, for sure this time.WDRB in Kentucky reporting same. Nothing on UAW site yet. Fingers crossed!
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5 hours ago, scode1 said:
This article talks about who is really pulling the strings.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12654885/uaw-strikes-socialist-activists-shawn-fain.html
Having unelected political activists with no factory or union experience who have openly stated that they want chaos, class warfare and to wound the companies for months ticks me off. Describes these guys as carnies because they sweep in, reap destruction and then move on. They don't care if they kill the company as long as they achieve their mission. The article also illustrates that these knuckleheads sit directly next to Fain at negotiations, leaving negotiators openly asking who they are actually negotiating with? We didn't vote these guys in and yet it sounds like they're actually running the show. Really wish the Detroit 3 would take this to NLRB, file unfair labor practice and demand arbitration. Fain loses then.
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Did GM Arlington just walk out? Seeing rumblings but not widely reported.
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3 hours ago, jasonj80 said:
Always remember the UAW is an arm of the Democratic Party and this is their move for 2024 - they are pulling the strings behind the doors telling him what to do and want the recession. It is a big election year next year - workers rights and the right to unionize and get these votes to the polls and have votes at the non- plants - look at all the gains I got the other workers !(never mind you won’t have a job in a bit because it will move to Mexico) The UAW gives tens of millions to democratic candidates and the candidates do what the UAW tells them and the UAW does what the Democratic Party tells them to do. Plus with the recession winding down people might be doing slightly better and will vote for Biden for reelection.
That's idiotic! First off, the democrats are the ones pushing mandatory EVs...which only have a niche market, not to mention the infrastructure doesn't exist. Last summer CA asked citizens not to charge their vehicles because with all the A/C running due to heatwave they were already facing rolling brown outs. Additionally, it's already been discussed ad nauseum that EVs require significantly less labor to assemble. So the union is supporting politicians who are killing our jobs. We saw this with Obama; the union overwhelmingly supported Obama, who sent work to Mexico and said manufacturing jobs would never come back to America. Furthermore, if the recession lasts until election time then it's likely the existing party in power gets voted out. Should that happen the EV mandate disappears. I wonder if that's part of the reason that the companies are hedging on going all in on EVs? The union sure seems to be engaging in self-defeating behaviors. They're more concerned with PR and organizing new union members and they fail to recognize the very real possibility of their actions causing union jobs to disappear... possibly forever.
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2 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
Patience is getting thin amongst those who’ve been out the longest. The membership is certainly getting more and more divided the longer this goes on.
I heard that because Fain didn't strike all of MAP that some employees have to cross the picket line to report to work. That can't be good for morale of those striking. Not to mention that it's getting ugly between people who want a quick resolution (who think the offer is more than fair) and the hardliners who say "We striking until WE GET EVERYTHING!"2 hours ago, jpd80 said:I thought so, these are ordinary folks that just want a good deal and to get back to work and earn a decent wage. Hopefully the message that people want this done ASAP filters back up the UAW hierarchy.
Fain acknowledged on Friday that he's heard and seen rumblings and impatience. He seems to think he has some mandate but only 11% voted and he only won by 0.4%. Many feel the offer is solid and want to vote. But too many think this is their "once in a generation" opportunity to make history. But I don't think that they're making the kind of history that they think they are.
The participation trophy generation thinks all they have to do is show up and get paid. They are screaming the loudest about "We getting everything". When I tried explaining that, as a legacy employee, and therefore someone who currently has a pension, that I would be open to being bought out of my pension and transitioned to the new 401k offer on the table (because I'm divorced and can't leave my pension to my kids if I die but 401k can be), the response I received was "I want both!" The AOCs and Bernie Sanders of the works have convinced these brats that they're entitled to both. They have no clue how the "real world" works.
And the hardliners see this as their opportunity to make their grandparents proud; the forefathers of the union that led the sit down strike and the battle of the overpass. But they aren't serious students of history and the world has changed. Back then, you had a choice between Ford, Chevy and Dodge. Their are way more options to choose from today and companies must remain competitive.
In the end, Fain, the participation trophy generation and the hardliners may win some battles but I fear that they will lose all of us the war. As I said, I think the silent majority thinks the latest offer is more than fair and we just want to get back to work and return to some sense of normalcy. With that being said, there are many fractured relationships that are going to be difficult to navigate moving forward.
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5 hours ago, iamweasel said:
This is so off-base......
For the record, the ONLY reason the F-150 is even built at the Rouge is because of Bill Ford. I was one of the managers of that '09-14 F-150 program and when that program started we closed Norfolk and were looking for another place to build it. Tere were other lower-cost options - including some non-UAW facilities. (Namely Mexico.) Bill Ford said no way. They decided to pay a lot more money to make it work in Dearborn.
I keep thinking of those moments during this strike and part of me wishes they'd shut them all down and go non-union across the board. Would be better for the company in the long run.
There have also been proposals over the years to even relocate the HQ out of the country. (Like Eaton when they "moved" to Ireland.) But again, the Ford's won't let it happen even though they know it would be better financially in the long run.
History like this needs to be relayed in the media. There are too many from the participation trophy generation that aren't aware of situations like this. And the hardliners won't care anyway. But I think the silent majority would be swayed if they had all the facts.
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11 hours ago, akirby said:
Bill Ford’s relationship with the UAW started long before Fain and will last long after. He’s just digging himself a hole that he’s not going to get out of.I hope that's true. Where Farley and Fain have been publicly sparring, I thought that Junior came across as the elder statesman; a voice of calm and reason. He said he never considers his employees as the enemy. And knucklehead Fain, on cue, responded immediately that the days of Ford/UAW being friends are over, and that it's all autoworkers against corporate greed. That's why I feel he's more concerned with (attempting to) organizing Tesla and the transplants than he is with trying to reach an agreement. While he said he's received hundreds of calls I'm not sure he can read the room. There has always been SOME interest in unionizing southern plants, but never enough to pass a vote.
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13 hours ago, 2005Explorer said:
I think at this point people need to start asking the real motivation behind Mr. Fain's desire to destroy the automakers. Who's pulling the strings above this person? Who's he really working for? Is it the UAW employees or is it other interests that gain to benefit if the US automakers are harmed beyond repair.
Reading between the lines of some of his Friday comments, it appears that Fain is more interested in growing the union than he is in obtaining an agreement.
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On 10/21/2023 at 6:45 PM, mackinaw said:
Out of the Detroit Three, Ford by far has/had the best relationship.
Fain said Friday that the days of Ford and UAW being friends are over. ?♂️
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On 10/20/2023 at 7:35 PM, fuzzymoomoo said:
If I’m Ford, the lockouts would have started the second Fain’s livestream endedAgreed
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45 minutes ago, mackinaw said:
Mr. Fain slams Ford, and says there's real movement at GM and Stellantis.
And yet everything he showed tonight still illustrates that Ford is ahead of the other two...and yet Fain hit Ford harder by striking Kentucky Truck. If I were Ford I wouldn't negotiate against myself either.
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Channel 2 (Detroit) just had an interview with strikers at Michigan Assembly. I like what this man said; "take what you can before you lose what you got!" He also said everyone was gung ho the first week but now into the fifth week they're ready to go back to work.
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5 hours ago, akirby said:
Lock them out and give them a 5 day deadline to take the offer back for a vote. Make it hurt everybody and see how much pressure the members can put on leadership. Then start replacements if necessary.You might be surprised at how many of us in the inside agree with this.
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On 10/15/2023 at 8:40 PM, Decker said:
Hmmm it seems our IUAW just barely president may be just like his predecessors.
"Fain's annual salary of $347,389 places him in the top 5% of earners in his home state of Indiana where, according to a Forbes analysis, individuals whose salary exceeds $192,928 per year are in the top 5%".
"If Fain's new salary as president matches his predecessor, former UAW President Ray Curry, his union income increased to $267,126 and his overall salary — including what he earns from the non-profit UAW Chrysler Skill Development & Training Program — increased to $454,385, a salary that would make him a top 1% earner."
Hmm not all rank and file are happy with the just barely president...
"In an open letter to Fain sent Tuesday, the Mack Trucks Workers Rank-and-File Committee demanded the UAW bump striking workers' pay to $750 a week and that leaders including Fain should accept a pay cut taking their salary to the same level as strikers."
"President Fain, if you are unwilling to meet these demands, which correspond to the demands of the membership, then you should step aside and turn over control of the union to the rank and file," the workers wrote to Fain. "It is, after all, we who have the 'final say.'"
"To our fellow autoworkers in the Big Three, we call on you to take up this fight yourselves and not allow your strike to be sabotaged by the UAW leadership," the open letter continued. "We have launched our strike in defiance of the apparatus, and we call on you to do the same."
Then there his fiancé that is getting a check from Chrysler/Stillance. In stead of a general holifield do we have a colonel fain???
LM-2 reports can be real interesting if you know where to look.
This is the first I've read of this. For all of Fain's chest thumping and "if one strikes we all strike" bloviating, I'm not a fan of the tactics. Fain is hurting Ford significantly more than the others despite acknowledging that Ford has submitted the best offer so far. But I'm getting screamed down by the younger generation who say they voting no unless we get everything. They act like we gave him a mandate when only 11% voted and he won by 0.4%. Word on the street is Fain wants Stellantis to be the one to settle. If true then he needs to set aside his own personal agenda because he now represents all of us.
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On 10/16/2023 at 6:37 PM, tbone said:
What an incredibly obtuse statement by Fain. I absolutely would not want him negotiating for me. Bill Ford has more money than he knows what to do with so if Ford closed today he is going to be ok, but his name is on the door and I can assure you that he wants to see the company succeed along with those that work there. Corporate greed is a cop out statement as if Ford is some monolithic entity consuming all the resources and leaving the peons with nothing. So who actually benefits from the supposed greed? It’s not like one person gets to keep all the profit. What an F’n clown.Fain is a clown! And he's catering to the participation trophy generation who thinks all they have to do is show up and get paid.
These knuckleheads don't understand how capitalism works. All they see is profit and think they're entitled to those profits. But then the company can't hire more, they can't do research for new products, that would have no money to build new products, etc Instead, they follow idiots like AOC and Bernie Sanders who promote socialism.
I was fighting a losing battle trying to get my kids to understand that socialism is bad and has failed everywhere it's been tried. Then they were given group assignments in school. Both of my kids did the majority of the work because that valued their "A". When they came home complaining about having to do all the work but everyone receiving the same grade I told them now you understand socialism. ?
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On 10/16/2023 at 4:49 PM, fuzzymoomoo said:
Just one, really, and he’s got the masses brainwashed. You should see some of the vitriol directed at Bill Ford after todays speech in the Facebook groups. There’s no hope of this ending without arbitration.I've stopped going down that rabbit hole. I go for the information but skip the comment section.
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On 10/16/2023 at 1:10 PM, fuzzymoomoo said:
The back pay part isn’t very common but I personally know 1 person who got that deal.
I personally know someone that's happened to 5 times! Dude hired in before me, got fired five times, got rehired every time and still has more seniority than me. As I've stated previously, I was older when I hired in and had "real jobs" where the stuff we see everyday would not have been accepted. Everywhere outside the plant, you play stupid games you're basically told "your services are no longer required". Here they get a free vacation.
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On 10/16/2023 at 10:23 AM, fuzzymoomoo said:
I get the feeling the stuff that remains to be settled is the stuff there’s no way on god’s green earth the company is going to agree to like pensions for all, post-retirement health care and the battery plant representation issue.My thoughts exactly... and why I hope this goes to arbitration and soon. The younger generation here is getting greedy (in my opinion)... they want to blame everything on legacy employees (rather than corrupt UAW who went to prison) and they say they'll vote no if we DON'T GET EVERYTHING! Clearly they don't understand that negotiation is a two-way street and nobody EVER gets everything. But they outnumber us now so they can vote down any agreement. Seems like we've gotten a majority of what we were looking for and haven't seen any concessions. Take the win!
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On 10/15/2023 at 12:21 AM, fuzzymoomoo said:
Im liable to punch the next person that says that word to my face. I’m tired of hearing that and hold the line. So much so, I don’t ever want to hear the song Hold the Line by Toto ever again for the rest of my life.Same here. The people screaming solidarity the loudest are the same who were all about themselves before the strike. There's a woman here sleeping with bosses who's now calling out everyone in her department for working overtime. Another dude was a former union rep who got voted out. When he signed up for overtime (pre-strike), he thought his seniority should dictate what job he got to do. When you sign up for overtime you go to the open job. And a partner in trades doesn't get along with ANYONE. She runs to the bosses. She's calls people pieces of $h!t and a$$holes, then complains she's being disrespected. Didn't matter to any of these people that they did whatever suited themselves best before the strike but now they're hollering "solidarity" from the rooftops. ?
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On 10/13/2023 at 12:46 PM, fuzzymoomoo said:
You bring up a great point. I’m glad I’m starting my apprenticeship now so my kids will be able to see the sacrifices I’m making to provide for them, at least the older two. The youngest being 3 probably won’t understand until I’m nearly finished.I hope, for your sake fuzzy, that they do realize the sacrifices you are making. I passed apprenticeship test in 2002. Wasn't brought into apprenticeship until 2014. Skilled Trade Coordinator said in our orientation that statistically half of us who were married at the start of apprenticeship would not remain married by the end. Went home and told my wife and we both laughed. We had been together for nearly 20 years at that point and her father retired from my plant. But then her father died, she got used to me not being there and decided that she didn't want to stay married. My kids were teenagers then and accused me of choosing my job over my family. I truly hope (and pray) that you have a better experience.
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