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20 minutes ago, akirby said:
The sweet spot for both volume and profit is in the $40K - $70K range. Below $40K your profit margins are usually low. Above $70K your volume starts to drop rapidly. That's why Ford trucks are so successful with both high volume and high margins.
I agree this thing will bring some per unit profit but sales volume will be so low it won't bring a lot of revenue. In my opinion.
they’ve openly said this is the first of I think 25 vehicles in the next 3-4 years so there will be plenty of BEV truck options to come.
Is it expensive? Yup. Is it Over the top? Maybe yes maybe no but I’m not convinced you need all the crazy trickery of a Raptor or Bronco but those sell or will sell and have a faithful following.
GM hasn’t had many one hit wonders since Barrera has taken over and you could call the new Vette somewhat of a niche product that is selling extremely well.
if Ford pulled this off we wouldn’t be having this discussion IMO on this board.
If GM wants to sell 70-100k of these a year I would be very skeptical but I’d they want to sell this as a halo vehicle and push out 20-30 of these a year and share the platform and tech across other vehicles this will have been mission accomplished.
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1 hour ago, mackinaw said:
No question that this Hummer is an impressive vehicle. I just question why GM spent the time and money engineering a BEV designer-truck for the wealthy. I wish they would have spent their considerable engineering expertise by designing a BEV that cost $30,000 that everybody could afford to buy.
That’s called the Bolt and nobody gives a damn:)
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1 minute ago, silvrsvt said:
Two brands also means dulituting product also. Why should the Silverado "suffer" in features because there is a GMC model?
Ford doesn't have a problem selling 100K Super Duties and I'm betting the numbers support that its better to come out with a higher end product then have a completely different brandname with its associated costs attached to it.
Lincoln has zero credibility in the Truck market, and thats why its products flopped (plus the last F-150 was just to help keep Lincoln with product). Plus it has stigma attached to it-showing up in a high end luxury vehicle at a job site is a good way to piss off people. Hell its even a good way to piss off white collar employees-I used to work for a company and the owner pulls up in a brand new 120K Range Rover to the meeting and then tells us our healthcare prices where going up 5-10% and there be no raises either. Its all about perception.You are correct about diluting a brand by offering another brand that is similar but it works! Why do you think there are luxury brands on top of the volume brand.
And I had a Lincoln truck and everyone knew it was just a F150, but I get your point-they lack credibility in the truck market-but like a few guys have mentioned, this really is not the truck market anymore when you are over $100k and coveting MB, Audi and Land Rover buyers.
Totally agree with you about perception and boss driving a $120k LR, but it is not much different if he is showing up in a $90k Raptor either.
My point is I think there is room at the top end (who even knows if this is the top!) for one off, expensive vehicles.....they are miles away from what my reality is but there is a market there. I'm in Jupiter-Palm Beach this week and one of my best friends works for the 1% centers, of the 1% centers-crazy rich people-those buyers will pay for these type of vehicles.
Not sure if Ford can play there or not, but they will be watching what happens with the Hummer and respond accordingly.
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21 minutes ago, ice-capades said:
There's only so much sales potential for the high-end status oriented products, BEV or otherwise. There will always be the impulse buyers and/or those that can afford to buy the new BEV vehicles, whether they be pickups, SUV's or some other type. At the same time, after its decades long sales leadership in pickup sales, Ford understands the pickup market better than anyone and continues to lead the market. Just when the competition thinks its caught up, Ford leapfrogs them with even more features and options that continue to make the F-Series even more appealing. The other manufacturers can introduce their vehicles and sell to their niche market while Ford understands the market better and continues to outperform them all in the real world that counts.
Ok Mr. Ford Marketing Manager! The segment keeps growing and growing and nobody knows where the top is and you can bet Ford won't be immune to see what happens with this vehicle. Sure Ford does great in the commercial segment and throughout the F150 lineup but so does GMC and Ram-just as much at the top of the segment or close (I don't have any sales data but this is where GMC has been growing their market share the past few years).
GM has the benefit of having 2 brands to sell their trucks and are differentiating them with each updates. I personally would never buy a Chevy, but the GMC is a damn good looking truck and bears little resemblance in many aspects. Personally, I would love for Lincoln to come up with a vehicle that is just not a F150 with a new grill, since I think there is a growing segment for that top end buyer to have something different.
One of the best things about a F150 is it has a price range between $30-90k-one of the worst things is it has a price range of $30-90k. Those top end buyers want something more unique and that is why I think the Hummer will do well, depending of course if it is more limited in production and not expecting to sell 100k of these a year.
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51 minutes ago, JTL2017 said:
I wouldn’t be surprised by the time this is ready for production ford will already have a full size bronco truck/suv EV revealed.
You mean the 5 years it took to get Bronco to production after Ford said it would come to market? Have a friend whose been on this project as a supplier and GM has poured a ton of money into this and is adamant that they beat Ford to market.
You can almost get to $100k now with a pick up truck so this isn’t that far off the mark-but agree there are other options coming also that might be leveling the pricing structure the Big 3 have with pick ups.
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I’m in the other camp and think this thing will be a big hit.
it has unique styling-something damn near every EV buyer wants and GM knows how to build a great truck.
GM also has more experience than anyone with BEV besides Tesla and I’m pretty intrigued with their technology.
Make silly comment after another but this thing is the real deal.
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That was an area that played into GM and FCA hands when they filed bankruptcy. Every dealer needed to sign a new agreement and gave up a lot of power, including GM's request to have a signature blueprint for each brand and force stand alone operations for Cadillac in almost every market.
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On 10/15/2020 at 4:05 PM, silvrsvt said:
What is that? I wouldn't be surprised the GT did the same thing
It is the door noise at 6:40 of the video-this was smartly changed by Lincoln but has been a mainstay in Ford's products for years. This is something that should be programable but I've not seen anyone in the industry do that yet.
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1 hour ago, jcartwright99 said:
As far as this problem is concerned, nobody has the real story on why this is happening. Placing blame without all the facts is a bit presumptuous.But it's the internet and that's way more fun!!!
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14 hours ago, Chp10_8 said:
Well, some more news, the truck I put the order in had to be changed a little the Spruce Silver that I so wanted is not available for 2021, so I opted for the Antimatter Blue in the Platinum trim. So now a new order has been placed waiting on build date to be established.
So you are taking the deal and just getting another Ford? Sounds like you are boxed in with minimum options-and what do you do in the meantime for a vehicle? Not sure how that works, unless they give you maybe 5k mileage allowance and let you keep your current truck until the new one is built.
37 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:Navistar doesn't have as much to lose as Ford does (people aren't going to sue them directly). Not mention Navistar got out of making diesel engines back in 2015.
They are actually back making a 12.5 litre engines-A26-based on a VW design, in Alabama, but obviously not something for F450, etc.
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I think the Vette is by far the best $60-100k sports car on the market and competes against vehicles 2x-3x's without apologies. Love the looks, performance, value, interior design and how they've transformed this iconic vehicle.
Not sure if any of you guys follow SpeedPhenom on YouTube? Young guy who picked up a GT500 new last Thanksgiving-and has put out some great videos all year. He picked up a new Vette sometime in the spring and than just bought a new GT500 with the track package? The Mustang cost $110k and the first thing I heard was the fucking jingle every Ford product has had for at least the past 7-8 years.
I know the Mustang is getting updated and i'm sure will vastly improve but if you were going to spend $75k would you honestly consider the Mustang?
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15 hours ago, bzcat said:
It's too early to say Bronco Sport is not competitive... I mean it is not even on sale yet.
Late to the game? Yes
Not competitive? We'll see
You are right about the BS since it hasn't rolled out but neither has the VW. I'm not putting the BS up against the Taos or whatever it's called-I think the VW is smaller but not sure anyone is going to consider one or other ? What is kind of interesting is seeing all these micro segments develop.
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1 hour ago, akirby said:
Kinda bland but otherwise inoffensive.
That explains most VW products......still another strong new product in a growing segment that Ford really isn't competitive in.
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Feel for you and that really sucks! Some of the members here think Ford cannot do nothing wrong and anything negative is a troll post. There are a few dealer's here on the site with I think one of the guys from California. Have you thought about contacting an attorney?
I worked for BMW about 6 years ago and they literally I think have around 5-7 people under contract that only handle buy backs in California-that state is in another sphere with regards to consumer protection laws. A BMW customer can literally say his check engine light comes on at a dealership 3 months after he bought the vehicle (most lease) and it is documented-36 months later he makes a few more claims-hires an attorney and BMW has to reimburse him the entire loan-then he goes up the street to Audi, Lexus, MB and does the same thing.
Good luck, and sorry you hare having so many F-ing issues. Keep us posted how things play out and congrats on getting a house in Victorville-my oldest son lives in that area:)
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Think Coil pack would set a check engine light-wondering if fuel filter may need to be changed? This won't be tied to the transmission but maybe the stalling. Better to start with the simple and less expensive items first:)
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Better to be prepared than surprised!
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10 hours ago, akirby said:
Escape should appeal to former Focus hatchback buyers but not if they were buying Focus strictly on price.Makes a lot of sense until you think these are the same buyers who got screwed with that shitty transmission!!! I'm pretty sure the last vehicle they would buy is a Ford.
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2 hours ago, rperez817 said:
Hackett started just to get Ford fit again.
A big positive impression to me is if I never hear Jim Farley say the word "fit" !!!
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Sure Hackett gets credit for some of the successes Ford's had recently, but he should also get faulted for the mistakes on his watch. I like some of his initiatives-but he talks in tongues and was brought in to help raise the stock price-something he clearly failed at. Like I said, I won't miss him but to Akirby's point-maybe he was the right person at the right time. This is Farley's moment to grab control of the company and really execute on his plan. I'm excited and hopeful he can kick the company into a high gear.
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1 hour ago, akirby said:
You do realize this is the continuation of Hackett’s plan, not something new.Maybe some of it and maybe all of it, but Hackett never really explained his plan and hence WS wondering what was going on, and than all of the financial misses that occurred under his tenure. I think Farley has a much clearer vision of what the future looks like for an automotive company is going to look like.
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Sounds ambitious and won't miss Hackett at all, nor will WS. Let's see how they execute, since Ford doesn't have the luxury of time on its side. The next 5-20 years (at most) of the auto industry is going to be revolutionary in more ways than the past 100 and will be interesting who survives the onslaught of the Chinese, move to battery powered vehicles and other obstacles.
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Think this is a no brainer also-looks sporty already and this just adds to it.
On a side note....
I had a Ranger-Lariat 4x4 this week in Kansas City and the outside definitely hits the mark, but the inside and drivetrain left me so frustrated. Felt a rear end vibration thru the wheel-almost like a driveshaft balance issue-around 50-60mph that drove me nuts. I'd go full size if I needed something today or wait for the replacement in a few years.
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Ughh.....some of this should of at least been picked up by the dealer before delivery and is just unacceptable whether you got a discount or paid a premium.
Keep us posted on the dealer experience and your wife getting comfy in the seats:) and the Aviator will look so much better without the plate!
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Hopefully she will get comfortable with the seats over a few weeks........great looking vehicle and love the color....now just ditch the ugly front dealer plate:)
What fit and finish issues are you seeing? Was hoping most of those issues were finally cleared up and assume your vehicle was produced in the past 2-3 months.
Good luck!
Tesla finally admits model 3 design flaw
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The reality is some of their manufacturing processes are ahead of where the industry is. Go check out Sandy Munro in YouTube and his reviews on Tesla-he is very objective and slams the hell out of their earlier products but shows the progress they've made, including stamping, parts reduction and changes on the go.
Now their quality control is an entirely different matter and none of us would find it acceptable-but Tesla fan members don't give a shit or care way less about quality than they do about the balance of the vehicle.