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I really like the 60th Anniversary Edition package! I would love to have the white convertible with manual transmission.
25 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:I'm really digging that new gt3 livery with all the nods to historical racing mustangs, that's awesome. They mentioned another addition to the mustang stable, and growing the mustang family with something new coming in 2025. This could be a new Shelby s650, or another high performance s650. But the way they were talking about it sounds a lot like they're hinting at some sort of new mustang model completely.
The teaser didn't look like an actual car.
The livestream was a bit of a snorefest though. Some of the audience members looked bored and some could be seen texting away on their phones. lol However, I also like the new GT3 livery. I had not heard of Lyn St. James until today and liked her 1987 Roush Mustang she raced that they showed images of. I thought she was the most interesting of the bunch to listen to as she talked about the old racing days and how it's paving the way for the future. The teaser image at the end looked as if it was AI-generated rather than a clay model under the tarp. Shelby American is doing their own reveal tomorrow of their S650 variant. Ford and Shelby American have done their own Shelby Mustangs concurrently so it could be a new Ford in-house Shelby S650 that the teaser is showing. Maybe it's a performance-tuned Mustang Hybrid. This could be that other model that is to go to Flat Rock pending approval, as specified in that UAW contract agreement.
Edited to add: I originally wrote this before you edited your post to include the image of the teaser.
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3 hours ago, jpd80 said:
Remembering that if the skunkworks vehicles are a big financial success, a lot of the BEV
engineering and development section under Model E then becomes redundant as smaller
BEV teams show much better efficiency and quicker delivery times.
How ironic regarding the BEV redundancies compared to possible success to skunkworks team considering Ford had just reduced the ICE engineering workforce due to redundancies. lol But I've seen where Doug Field, having been involved with skunkworks team and T3 project, will bring over much of skunkworks onto the T3. It's a good thing because whatever the skunkworks have figured out to keep costs low and selling price low could be applied to the T3. Perhaps that's one reason why the T3 was delayed by one year. Apparently it won't be called 'F-150 Lightning' either, according to CFO Lawler. Perhaps the 'F-150 Thunder' name will be used as that was trademarked some time ago. Hopefully the skunkworks methods can soon be applied to the current generation BEVs as part of updates/refresh if it's possible. This would include the Mustang Mach-E (keeping with this thread topic), F-150 Lightning, and E-Transit.
https://fordauthority.com/2024/04/next-gen-ford-f-150-ev-will-benefit-from-low-cost-platform/
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4 hours ago, ExplorerDude said:
U760 was up for BOD review in March. It was red flagged. Which means it was reviewed and discussed for possible cancellation. I don’t know the outcome of that meeting or decision yet. There is a difference as U759 was delayed, U760 might have been shelved indefinitely.
What is BOD review? It's a shame that the U760 'Star' may have been shelved as I liked the concept of it. Also, not to take this off topic, but do you know what Ford has planned for the 60th anniversary event on the 17th? Any particular packages/trims reveal or is it just a celebration and then the '60th Anniversary' GT package, as expected? Thanks.
3 hours ago, jpd80 said:Its sad but the money that was wasted on developing CD6 should have gone into Aussie Falcon / Territory
line of vehicles that could have supported everything from Mustang, Falcon, Fairlane to Edge /Explorer
as well as a pickup but Mulally would have none of it.
It really is a shame that Mulally didn't approve the global rear drive platform for the vehicles you mentioned. This would have fit his One Ford vision he set out to do. Looking back, it's also easier to say that Ford should have redesigned the 2020 Explorer onto the C2 platform, along with the Edge/Nautilus at some point. The Evos (likely with a different name for America) would be great addition here too. By now, these C2 vehicles could each have hybrids too.
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So how can we view the livestream in just a few minutes??
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28 minutes ago, joseodiaga4 said:
Will Ford lift the embargo by midnight?
I didn't even think about this possibility. We may know within six hours from now. Maybe not all the details of the vehicle until actual reveal but enough to know what will be shown.
Edited to add: Sometimes embargo gets lifted later in the morning around 6am or so. So we may wait longer. I'm still looking for livestreaming link and surprised Ford hasn't said anything about this on their social media sites. -
16 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:
I believe we have some wires crossed. You're referring to a traveling exhibit that's moving from state to state starting next month. From the looks of it, none of those events will take place in New York. I'm referring to the comment made by Pffan1990 where he stated it that Ford's booth at the New York Auto show would heavily feature a mustang 60th anniversary display. With speculation that if the main focus of Ford's new York Auto show presentation is the mustang, then it's likely whatever this reveal is, it's gonna be based around the mustang. A theory further supported by the fact that we're nearing the 60th anniversary, and the original mustang was revealed in New York.
We know Ford is a fan of bringing past events like that into modern reveals. Then again, it could be nothing, we'll know in a few days.
They could be revealing a 60th anniversary model of the Mustang tomorrow or something else. I'm now thinking the 60th anniversary exhibit display at the NYIAS is to basically kickstart the celebration by having it at there for the show's attendees. I took another look at the photos in the link below. Most Mustangs shown in photos appear to be owned by various enthusiasts and not owned by Ford. It's possible that this exhibit is something NYIAS organized and the enthusiasts submitted their cars to be shown there. I attended the Louisville Auto Show in Kentucky back in 2020 and there were some various cars displayed there by local enthusiasts (in addition to some new vehicles displayed by few manufacturers and local dealers). So this Mustang exhibit at NYIAS would be separate from Ford's own traveling exhibit that was announced yesterday.
https://autoshowny.com/exhibitions/mustang/
Bob Rosadini previously mentioned the possibility of new color choices of the Ford Transit to be revealed tomorrow. He's right that Ford didn't reveal anything at the recent Work Truck Show. However, Ford did release a press announcement about the Transit during the WTS which is also on the WTS website. It was both a 10-year celebration of the Transit's success and about the upgrades and enhancements to the E-Transit. They would have mentioned new color choices in the press release but they didn't.
1 hour ago, spudz64 said:I highly suspect they will reveal the 2025 Expedition tomorrow. I belong and write for to a local NJ Mustang club and been attending the show for 30+ years on press days. In years past we would hear of Mustang celebrations and members would be asked to bring their classic Mustangs to display at the actual Ford stand, but nothing this year. The show falls too soon for the April 17th Mustang Day anyway.
So I think it will be the mostly new Expedition, my 2 cents!
BTW Ford usually has done 10 year anniversaries out at Flushing Meadows (Site of NY worlds fair) but we heard nothing about that too. Seeing they have a traveling road show it seems that is how they will celebrate the 60th anniversary this year.
Yes, I'm now thinking this could very well be the case. Ford's reveal slot is only 20 minutes so that's plenty of time to do some drum-up talks, reveal, and discuss features of it.
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Who knows what it is, but could it simply be the start of the Mustang's 60th anniversary celebration? Going to the Visit tab and selecting Daily Schedule in its drop-down menu brings the schedule of the public show. You'll see Ford Mustang's 60th Anniversary Exhibit that will be held at Level 1. Clicking on that takes you to the page about the Mustang's 60th anniversary where many vehicles over the decades will be parked there for viewing as part of the anniversary celebration. Seems odd that they would do this if they wouldn't reveal some kind of 60th anniversary edition model or some other surprises at the show prior to the public viewing of the old Mustangs. Logically, April 17th standalone event would have made sense for 60th anniversary model reveal. Maybe it's start of the celebration to build hype until April 17th which is on Wednesday.
https://www.autoshowny.com/events-calendar/
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31 minutes ago, akirby said:
A former member who likes to impress others with his insider knowledge of Ford product development. He was frequently wrong and when he got called out on it he would pout and leave for awhile. Stopped posting 5 yrs ago here but still posts on GMI.
16 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:Um yeah I know the past four years have blinked by but when I was looking before the last time he logged in using that account was 2017! LOL
He did come back here with a new username of 'Assimilator' and then left on February 4, 2020.
As for Ford EV plans, who knows what's going on since Ford will likely change these new plans in just a few months from now. lol It's certain that the F-150 T3 project is still set as planned at BOC in Tennessee. Same with the Kentucky battery plant (1st is almost complete, if not already, with the 2nd plant delayed). The Ford 3-row EVs, is still a mystery. ExplorerDude said above that Job 1 is around March of 2025 at OAC. I feel for the OAC workers who are still out of the loop as to what's going on there regarding re-tooling plans, what the EVs look like, etc.-
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2 hours ago, joseodiaga4 said:
Also any news about when the Navi is going to be shown? Also the Aviator hasn't debuted yet although we have seen camp-free prototypes
The Chicago Auto Show in February would likely be the time and place to reveal the new Navigator and updated Explorer/Aviator. That would be around the time production of carryover 2024 Explorer/Aviator winds down to prepare for production of the updated 2025 changes. Ford may do the reveals via online streaming at another location prior to the auto show. Then have the vehicles parked at the show for the visitors to see in person.
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Perhaps this would help. I drew a line over where the rear door could possibly close into. It's from the C-pillar down to the rear fender.
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1 hour ago, rmc523 said:
not sure where you're seeing an extra set of doors there.
See where I drew the thick black circle? There appears to be a line from the C-pillar down to the fender where the rear part of the back door closes into. The same line is as thin as the front part of the front door from the A-pillar to the bottom of the car. Compare this to the photo of the concept car that silvrsvt posted. That C-pillar-to-fender line isn't there. The B-pillar is also thinner on the concept car compared to the thicker B-pillar in the Christmas ad. That's just my observation and it could just be a quick graphic that they mocked up for the ad and I'm just looking too much into it. lol
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It's not bad, IMO. Is this the 4-door version? You can see the front doors seem shorter and there appears to be the back doors. Perhaps suicide/coach style rear doors. Could just be my eyes and imagination. lol
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Is someone cutting up onions here? This is so nice to see this happening. Her face lit up seeing all the Broncos from old, mid-years, to current ones. You can see at some point she was holding a model Bronco that someone gave her.
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9 hours ago, matt6 said:
Speaking of, is the aforementioned cancelled Aviator EV the same as the cancelled Rivian-based vehicle, or were they different projects? I think I recall someone stating the Rivian-Lincoln project was one of the most striking SUVs ever and I find it disappointing if a design like that was abandoned for a quirky futuristic one. However, if the current project is comparable to something like the DBX, that is promising.
While the Lincoln EV version of the boxy Explorer EV was cancelled (or possibly delayed), it's possible that the Aviator name will be used for the upcoming aero Lincoln EV. That's why I think both the Ford and Lincoln aero EVs need new names and resurrect the cancelled boxy duo with Explorer and Aviator names on them. There was a Rivian-based EV that Lincoln was working on with its own tophat which would have been the Continental EV. However, that project was abandoned. As what DeluxeStang said, the aero Lincoln EV is said to have styling cues of this Rivian-based Continental EV. Hopefully we'll find out soon. The Los Angeles Auto Show, that's going to happen this week, would have been a good opportunity to at least show a concept or two of the EVs for Ford to get public feedback.
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18 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:
Is that product going to be pushed back again to be redesigned based on the feedback they've received? They might just say screw it and put it out anyways.
If Ford does proceed with the plans to do the two EVs at OAC, they should give both all-new names. Resurrect the previously-cancelled boxy Explorer EV and build that and its Lincoln version (Aviator) at OAC as soon as they can. That would provide at least four EVs built at OAC by the end of the decade. But then again, it's Ford. They don't even know their own ever-changing plans the next few months. lol
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Not to throw this thread off topic, but for those previously talking about inline-6 engines, here's an interesting article from FA. Take it with a grain of salt since the author tends to make numerous mistakes from his 'sources'. Apparently Ford was working on a new EcoBoost inline-6, based on the 1.5L EcoBoost I3. This would have been the 3.0L EB I6 engine. It appears that it was just the one inline-6 engine rather than a family of them. While an inline-6 or family of inline-6s would be nice, I really don't see a need for it since the current EcoBoost I3, I4, and V6 engines are already good enough with the occasional necessary updates to last through this decade.
https://fordauthority.com/2023/11/straight-six-ford-ecoboost-engine-cancelled-exclusive/
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1 hour ago, joseodiaga4 said:
But it is the old/current grille,
It doesn't have the Nautilus-like styling nor the front light bar on the grille
Also, it would be a little weird to see the new Navi before the facelifted Aviator
Now that you mention it, it does have current grille. I re-watched the video and it appears they were installing a wrap on it. Probably just an announcement of custom wraps being offered for the Navigator like Ford recently announced wraps for select vehicles.
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3 hours ago, joseodiaga4 said:
Not the 2025 model but a new trim?
It's possibly the new 2025 model reveal. See spudz64's previous post above yours, which I quoted below. Looks like reveal will be happening soon followed by opening of order banks.
On 11/2/2023 at 7:16 PM, spudz64 said:Automotive News does have end date of Feb 29 for the current models, and a start date of Job 1 for the revised Navigator and Expedition of March 3, 2024, so this will drop soon! Which is good, as the Escalade is getting updated too and there’s other new models in this market.
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8 hours ago, silvrsvt said:
That isn't going to happen, since Mexico is supplying the EU with the Mach E, due to its favorable trade status.
My post was in direct response to jpd80's post in which he first suggested moving the Mach-E production to OAC. However, I forgot about the Mexico-EU trade system that's already in use. Perhaps the previously-cancelled San Luis Potosi plant could be built. This would make a great plant for the affordable CE1 EVs. In fact, an insider here has mentioned that Ford is considering building the SLP plant.
6 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:Then there's the fact that it shows this generation of explorer running until 2035, that has to be a typo. It's debatable that CD6 as a platform would survive that long, and there's a zero percent chance a single explorer generation would run for 15-16 years. It's not a generational change but it uses the same platform kinda deal either, it doesn't show a stop gap for that explorer generation until 2035.
I'm thinking that's likely a misprint. There's the updated 2025 Explorer coming in a few months that does remain on the 'U625' CD6. The listing of the next generation ICE Explorer is likely missing from this sheet, which is why it mistakenly shows the 'U625' lasting through December 22, 2035. Either the Explorer remains on the rear drive CD6 for next generation ICE or it switches to the front drive-based 'C2' with possibly all wheel drive standard. I'm just speculating here. Ford changes their plans so often that it's hard for anyone to keep up. But we'll see what happens with the next Explorer.
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2 hours ago, jpd80 said:
So sad about Mach E, I think For is about to add incentives to get 13,000 odd vehicles out the door….
truly, they could move next Gen Mach E production to Oakville with the two GE2s and use Cuautitlan
for more C2 production/ hybrids ect…
I second the idea about the move of next gen production of Mach-E to OAC. There is also supposedly a Mach-E Coupe coming that could be built there alongside the two GE2s. This would free up Cuautitlan for production of the affordable CE1 EVs seeing how the plant has already been tooled for EV production. In the meantime, Louisville could keep making Escape/Corsair through its planned 2025 demise, along with the addition of overflow capacity Bronco Sport and Maverick, plus perhaps even a new C2 product or two (Nautilus and Evos anyone?). Louisville could scale production of all the ICE C2 products based on demand for the rest of the decade. Then eventually convert that plant as another EV plant in the future when it's a good time to do so. By then, the second Kentucky battery plant, currently delayed, would surely have completed production.
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16 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:
My interpretation of that investment was 50 million to expand s650 production with those derivatives, with a more substantial budget in the near future if that second product is approved, as it seems like whatever it is is pending approval right now.
I edited my previous post where I guessed it was the Mustang Raptor. I think it could be the Mustang Hybrid program that may be pending resurrection. The $50M investment to Flat Rock could help upgrade the lines to start producing Mustang Hybrid, if that's the new product. Farley plans on rolling out more hybrid vehicles, as seen with KTP's plans to build Expedition/Navigator Hybrids, so Mustang Hybrid would be a welcome addition to the S650 Mustang lineup.
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21 minutes ago, ExplorerDude said:
Flat Rock’s investment is only $50 million, I can’t imagine that being anything major. Definitely not a new Paint Shop. I don’t even know what product it would be. It might just be a derivative of the S650.
It could be the Mustang Raptor if it gets approved? This was briefly discussed here in the forum sometime ago.
Edited to add: or more realistically, perhaps the Mustang Hybrid program may be getting resurrected. With Farley's plans to have more hybrids, as seen with upcoming plans for Expedition/Navigator Hybrids at KTP, perhaps there is a pending plan to have Mustang Hybrid built. The $50M investment could perhaps help start building Mustang Hybrid.
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13 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:
Very interesting, so as we suspected, flat rock is getting something new besides the s650, I wonder what that would be. One would think it would have to be something car based.
I saw that too which got my attention. Of course, it's 'pending program approval', though it could be if some rebuilds are made, as akirby mentioned above. Louisville gets the rumored new EV product. Interesting that Dearborn/REVC has the F-150 Lightning continue through its product cycle, but has all-new EV truck coming there too. Expedition and Navigator gets confirmed Hybrid models as well at Kentucky Truck Plant.
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Just revealed and announced. PHEV with 2.3 EcoBoost I4 as was rumored. No power figures yet but 28 miles of pure electric driving range. Will offer Pro Power Onboard. Expected to enter production for Europe and Australia in late 2024 with deliveries by early 2025 model year. I'm sure it's coming here in North America at some point.
https://fordauthority.com/2023/09/2025-ford-ranger-plug-in-hybrid-debuts-for-global-markets/
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Ford Mustang 60th Anniversary Package Draws on Classic Style of 1965 Original
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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They could have done this on purpose to generate hype to get people talking about it. It's working since we're both talking about it. lol It's said to be a 2025 model year so yeah the teaser would have been more of an actual design rather than a generic look. Is it me or does the roof seem taller and more curvier than the current S650?