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7 minutes ago, akirby said:
Yes because the old Ranger chassis couldn’t fit a v6.The frame was all new in 2019 for the North American model because the previous ROW Ranger did not have a fully boxed frame. From everything I've read, the frame has only been modified slightly to fit a V6 in front and change the mounting of the rear shocks outboard. It's still almost the same with Ford calling it a T6.2 internally. So there isn't really an old or new chassis. It's the same chassis with some minor modifications.
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1 hour ago, akirby said:
Not surprised but it’s really not relevant to fixed pricing. Instead of adding rebates Ford would simply lower the MSRP. Tesla adjusts pricing constantly.Do you think that would be better then to just leave a fixed MSRP and do rebates, cheap leases and financing deals? I mean in the end the customer will save the same amount when sales soften, but it does seem like those things create the image of a good deal just like a big sale at the furniture store.
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On 5/25/2023 at 8:53 PM, akirby said:
Not seeing incentives on F150s around here. They’re still selling close to MSRP. But let’s say there was $5K on.a vehicle between discounts and rebates. Then Ford would simply lower their MSRP by $5K or whatever the market price is at that time. Tesla changes their prices all the time. Prices can also go up just as easily as they can go down.I think you’re confusing fixed pricing with premium pricing and that’s not true.
For image you have all the Lincolns, Super Duty, F150, Bronco, Bronco Sport, Maverick, Mustang, BEVs and all Raptors. The rest are solid vehicles that can stand on their own. Ford doesn’t have commodity vehicles that can only be sold by being the cheapest.
They must not have any stock issues with F-150s where you live, but they are starting to pile up on lots around here. I’ve started to get a lot of mailings from Ford lately that are advertising rebates, cheap lease deals and low APR’s and it mainly involves F-150s. I’ve also noticed in the advertising they are back to pushing high value XL STX models. Every market is different and that’s only my observation where I live, however I definitely live in “truck country” around here.
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There is no reason not to offer AM radio on all of their vehicles. The radio circuitry is already there. It literally costs pennies.
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On 5/21/2023 at 2:34 PM, maginty said:
Ventilated seats, rear seat vents, 4 auto available on competitors and global Ranger + in dash pop out cupholders.
Plus, GM announced on July 28/22 they were offering 430lbft on reg fuel, and Ford had 10 months knowing what # to beat and they come up with 400 lbft with late availability on the Ranger already 18 months behind. Ford has the Bronco 3.0 with 406hp/440lbft on reg fuel which would have had class leading specs before Tacoma announcement and would still outperform Tacoma with 80 hp advantage.
Ford has all this, not something that has to be developed and they refuse to offer it, at least on Lariat trim, and it would be extra profit dollars which I would classify as " just good business"!
After waiting too long for the new Ranger, in Nov, I turned to GM to order a '23 Canyon and was told they were building '22s till end of Dec, and '23s starting in Feb '23. The called me early Feb and I priced an AT4 which they said could start build right away, I said ok, then they called back and said the order was held up, unless I agreed to cancel the AT4 premium package, otherwise the build would be held up 5 months or change order to Denali that I initially wanted but it had an extra 1" lift over the standard 2" lift which I wasn't thrilled with to start. Among the many things in the AT4 premium package is heated steering wheel and ventilated seats. To keep my order and get a year old truck in Sept/Oct wasn't happening, so I decided to wait and see what Ranger and Tacoma would offer, and still have the option to order a '24 Canyon if necessary.
It sounds like the Canyon or Tacoma offers everything you want and the Ranger doesn’t. Why not just order a new Canyon or Tacoma? Complaining on an internet board isn’t going to change anything. I’d buy a new Ranger because I’ve had excellent service from my previous 2019 and my current 2022 Ranger. I just get XLTs anyhow. I wouldn’t get a 2024 because I would want a Tremor package, but with a 2022 Tremor I’ve had for a year I’m not ready for a new one anyhow.
You have choices that give you exactly what you want. If you still have an option to order the Canyon which does have everything you want including what you consider to be better performance and features I’d say your wasting your time complaining about the skimpy offering of models and options on the Ranger. Get what you really want and be happy.
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5 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
Not to mention Tacoma makes WAY more money for Toyota than Ranger in North America makes for Ford. Bronco is the more important of the 2 T6 vehicles in North America so until supply chain issues reresolved Ranger is not going to be as high of a priority as Bronco and probably never will be if we’re really being honest with ourselvesThe main focus of T6 at MAP has always been the Bronco even before it was launched. The Ranger was just easier and cheaper to get things rolling there a few years ago. Ranger has always been and continues to be an afterthought in North America. I happen to be a happy 2022 Ranger Tremor customer and I’d buy a new one if and when I replace it, but Ford will never put much effort into this model line. In fact, I’d argue more effort was put into the previous generation versus this one when it was adapted to the North American market. They spent the money at the time to give it a brand new frame, completely new powertrain compared to the ROW models and things like a steel bumper. They also brought region specific models like the Tremor to market. The 2024 is a nice midsized truck, but it’s just a middle of the road offering for the new generation from all the manufacturers. Except for the awesome Raptor model (which most cannot afford with the likely $10-25k ADMs on it) it’s just a pickup. For people like me who will only buy Ford it’s fine, but it’s not going to pull in the Tacoma or Colorado/Canyon buyers.
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4 hours ago, AM222 said:
Added interior width I think has more to do with the restyled interior/ inner door panels. The added external body width is due to the flared fenders/ wheel arches that match the wider track.
The cab is carryover so you are correct that the restyled door panels and headliner are giving the interior measurements a fraction of an inch improvements. So if you wanted a roomier cab that didn't happen. Always hate when things grow outside, but not inside on vehicles. I'm fine with the space inside the Ranger, but I know a lot of people complain about it. The Maverick is larger inside if you don't need or want the tougher truck capabilities.
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Looks like the interior specifications have been updated. The 2024 SuperCrew is within an inch in most measurement of the previous gen except for head room which really wasn't an issue anyhow. I was questioning how they were able to get 4 extra inches of rear leg room in the new model when the total passenger volume was within inches of each other. It's not surprising though since the cab shell looks virtually carryover. The first image is the 2023 model (look at the second column for SuperCrew) and the second is the 2024.
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26 minutes ago, jcartwright99 said:
Just watched in depth detail review from TFL on Raptor version. For 56k, it seems like a bargain. I know, I know… nobody will pay that price in the end.
Well people that have a good honest dealer will, but those are few and far between. Nice to see the greedy ones starting to have tons of F-150s piling up on their lots now still trying to sell them over sticker.
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On 5/12/2023 at 11:26 AM, T-dubz said:
Several of the videos I watched mentioned halogens. I’m guessing they are wrong though. On the ROW ranger, it’s extremely obvious which ones are halogen.
The latest MT states LED headlights on the XL STX so I would assume LED is across the line now. I don't know why it wouldn't be since by now LED is probably just as cheap as halogen lights in simple reflector form. I think you still have to twist a key and use a mechanical shifter on the lower trims, but at least they put LED lights on it. I did see the taillights at least on the XL are still incandescent though. My 2022 XLT has a mixture of incandescent and LED lights. I guess it saves money? At some point I can't see that really being a cost savings. It's probably just done to upsell and everyone does that.
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25 minutes ago, rperez817 said:
Thank you zipnzap, that's the key thing. As mentioned in the Ford April 2023 Sales Results topic thread, GM's overtaking of Ford for the #2 spot in BEV sales in Q1 2023 is a temporary blip. Ford had production constraints for both Mustang Mach-E and F-150 Lightning during that time. Ford will probably restore its #2 position as soon as Q2, as it is planning to produce 600,000 BEV globally for calendar year 2023.
"Any plan won't survive its first encounter with reality. The reality will always be different. It will never be the plan." -Jeff Bezos
We are almost at mid-year. How close are they to that 600,000 number right now?
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33 minutes ago, rmc523 said:
I'm curious what's on the rest of your list?
Why do you keep saying lack of LED headlamps? Upper trims definitely have them (projector style), and I'm pretty sure the lower ones do too in the reflector style.
There has been back and forth on this. I guess someone saw where XL and XLT still have halogen bulbs and a keyed ignition.
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7 hours ago, Bob Rosadini said:
Let's hope MT doesn't know what they are talking about.
Someone on another forum said MT made a mistake saying that. I sure hope so.
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"The standard single-range electronic shift-on-the-fly (ESF) four-wheel-drive system can be upgraded to a part-time system with low range."
They are really going to make you pay more to get a low range in the transfer case? You have to be kidding me.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-ford-ranger-first-look-review/
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On 5/9/2023 at 11:58 AM, rperez817 said:
They certainly aren't a joke to Ford. As mentioned in the 1Q 2023 financials press release, Ford's Model e division is on track "making and selling EVs at a global run rate of 600,000 units by the end of 2023 and more than two million by the end of 2026". Ford's entire future existence is tied to continued growth in its Model e and Pro divisions, successfully transitioning to an all-electric vehicle lineup by 2035 in major markets and by 2040 everywhere it does business.
How's that old song go... "They have a long ways to go and a short time to get there..."
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1 hour ago, akirby said:
Ok the shifter is slightly different than mine.
Yeah it's the one from the current Ranger.
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1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
Traditional shifter that looks like it was pulled out of my Flex.
Actually that shifter is pulled right out of my 2022 Ranger. Same exact handle and boot. Ironically that larger overbuilt shifter probably costs more to put in it then the small electronic one.
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2 hours ago, T-dubz said:
After watching some videos, here are a few things I noticed. Sorry if this has been said before, the website keeps having errors so haven’t read everything.
1. No rear AC vents in any trim so far
2. Bedside step is optional
3. push button start only on lariat and above
4. new shifter only on lariat and above
5. No moonroof for fuzzy
6. Doesn’t have the incorporated keypad in the door and instead has one of the stick on ones above the handle
7. Some of the switchgear still looks like it’s from my 2013 fusion, mainly some of the buttons on the doors and the non electronic shifter.
8. I usually like painted bumpers on trucks, but on this truck it makes it look cheap. Im assuming the sport package comes with the black accents on the grille and wheel arches that are shown on the white xlt and that looks pretty good.
9. Chrome package looks bad. Chrome isn’t my thing to begin with but if you are going chrome, you really need chrome bumpers. It just doesn’t work on this truck and the chrome wheels look a bit generic. Like the chromed some XL wheels.
I know that sounds like a lot of negative, but we all know most of the positives already. Xlt sport is growing on me, hopefully the lariat comes with the sport package as well, as it seems like there are lots of trade offs if you don’t go lariat.
There are plenty of positives to the new model, but now if you want low range in your 4x4 that is an added cost. Dual range 4x4 used to be standard on all 4x4 models. That is according to a Motortrend article. Auto 4x4 is not available in anything except the Raptor. I have also heard, but cannot confirm XL and XLT still have halogen headlamps. It's 2023... even the Maverick has LED across the board.
I didn't know about the new shifter being only on Lariat and above. What does the XL and XLT use for a shifter?
EDIT: Nevermind on the shifter. I figured it out by looking at pictures. It's the same mechanical one from the current Ranger.
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It better be a hell of a lot better then the current model. According to TFL prices are going up about $3,000 over the current model when you compare like models.
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57 minutes ago, 70 Stang said:
All interior dimensions have grown though......especially rear seat leg room by almost 4".......that's huge.
The Motortrend article said the supercab is coming, and I'm sure Tremor will be also.
I'm going to put an order in, but not completely sold yet though.
That's interesting where they found 4" with the cab virtually the same size. With no Tremor available and the Raptor which will likely be $70k I'll keep my '22 Tremor for now.
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So the Ranger grew in size outside, but the passenger volume inside the cab is virtually unchanged. 97.6 cubic feet on the '19-'23 and 98.3 cubic feet on the 2024 . In comparison the Maverick has slightly more interior volume. The SuperCab is gone and SuperCrew 5 foot bed is the only configuration. It also appears the Tremor model is gone so if you want more off-road capability you have to buy the Raptor which is likely to be a much more expensive model. Fuel tank capacity is unchanged at 18.8 gallons.
XL, XLT and Lariat only trims available. The 2.3 EcoBoost has the same exact power specs from the current Ranger. About the only surprise is that you can get the 2.7 V6 (late availability) as an option in the XLT and Lariat. I figured that would be Lariat only.
Anyhow I won't be running out anytime soon to trade up my 2022 Ranger Tremor for this one. Glad they didn't make it that good so I won't feel the need to. lol
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On 5/8/2023 at 2:02 PM, fuzzymoomoo said:
I, for one, expect something to be confirmed I’ve suspected for a while. I’ll say what it is after the reveal just in case.SuperCrew only?
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On 5/8/2023 at 11:45 AM, rmc523 said:
Aside from seeing the exact powertrain options and available features, it'll be a boring debut since we already know what it looks like.
Even then it isn't much of a surprise since the carryover 2.3 EcoBoost with 10 speed is likely to be the engine for most models minus the Raptor. There might be an available V6 on a higher trim level especially if something is offered above the Lariat, but I'd be shocked if a V6 is available in an XL or XLT.
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1 hour ago, silvrsvt said:
I thought they had cooling issues with being mid engined and that caused fires with the Toyota minivans?
That was the vans before the Previa and I think it was mainly the mid engined Nissan vans that suffered from fire problems.
Official '24 Ford Ranger NA Release
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Then it's possible other then the rear shock mounts the actual frame is carryover. I read somewhere that small modifications had to be made in front for the V6, but they might not have been talking about the frame. Under the sheet metal I doubt there is much change since they already put the engineering into a new frame for the 2019.