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Tundra sales up 74%. Maybe Toyota does know what they are doing.
If Ford was thinking they would let Bill jr go work for Toyota. Let Bill jr teach Toyota the turtle on the post management style. Even the playing field.
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Tundra sales up 74%. Maybe Toyota does know what they are doing.
TOYOTA RETAIL SALES
(INCLUDES FLEET & HAWAII)
April, 2007
----- CURRENT MONTH --- -- CALENDAR YEAR TO DATE --
DSR% DSR%
2007 2006 CHG 2007 2006 CHG
YARIS 7,232 6,393 22.6 26,418 7,732 241.7
COROLLA 32,289 36,155 -3.3 120,484 118,442 1.7
CAMRY 37,911 40,203 2.2 143,774 133,978 7.3
AVALON 5,791 8,239 -23.9 25,426 30,782 -17.4
PRIUS 13,056 8,234 71.8 52,738 30,357 73.7
SCION xA 1,454 3,331 -52.7 6,799 10,494 -35.2
SCION xB 1,173 5,678 -77.6 9,673 18,648 -48.1
SCION tC 5,333 6,435 -10.2 20,426 22,658 -9.9
TOTAL TOYOTA
DIV. PASS. CAR 104,239 114,670 -1.5 405,740 373,113 8.7
ES 350 6,544 4,603 54.0 24,594 15,390 59.8
LS 460 3,182 1,071 221.9 11,745 4,617 154.4
SC 430 341 579 -36.2 1,295 1,963 -34.0
GS 350 1,701 1,963 -6.1 6,365 7,638 -16.7
GS 430/450h 186 373 -46.0 739 1,208 -38.8
IS 250/350 4,363 4,715 0.2 16,772 17,880 -6.2
TOTAL LEXUS
PASS. CAR 16,317 13,304 32.9 61,510 48,696 26.3
TOTAL TOYOTA
PASS. CAR 120,556 127,974 2.1 467,250 421,809 10.8
SIENNA 12,773 13,912 -0.5 47,732 54,302 -12.1
RAV4 14,495 13,854 13.3 55,900 47,798 17.0
FJ CRUISER 4,587 5,649 -12.0 20,632 8,433 144.7
4RUNNER 7,093 9,406 -18.3 31,030 37,331 -16.9
HIGHLANDER 10,122 10,712 2.4 41,505 40,115 3.5
LAND CRUISER 191 255 -18.9 873 1,140 -23.4
SEQUOIA 1,991 2,771 -22.2 8,929 11,839 -24.6
TOTAL SUV 38,479 42,647 -2.3 158,869 146,656 8.3
4X2 TACOMA 8,813 9,109 4.8 35,840 33,808 6.0
4X4 TACOMA 5,958 6,111 5.6 25,259 23,219 8.8
TOTAL TACOMA 14,771 15,220 5.1 61,099 57,027 7.1
TUNDRA 14,200 8,837 74.1 43,386 40,662 6.7
TOTAL PICKUP 28,971 24,057 30.5 104,485 97,689 7.0
TOTAL TOYOTA
DIV. LT TRUCK 80,223 80,616 7.8 311,086 298,647 4.2
LX 470 240 507 -48.7 1,066 1,992 -46.5
GX 470 1,577 1,978 -13.6 6,816 8,071 -15.5
RX 350/400h 7,861 8,890 -4.2 30,094 34,297 -12.3
TOTAL LEXUS
LIGHT TRUCK 9,678 11,375 -7.8 37,976 44,360 -14.4
TOTAL TOYOTA
LIGHT TRUCK 89,901 91,991 5.9 349,062 343,007 1.8
TOTAL TOYOTA DIV. 184,462 195,286 2.3 716,826 671,760 6.7
TOTAL LEXUS 25,995 24,679 14.1 99,486 93,056 6.9
TOTAL TOYOTA 210,457 219,965 3.7 816,312 764,816 6.7
MEMO:
DOM. COROLLA 28,352 30,769 -0.2 106,896 104,819 2.0
DOM. CAMRY 33,538 34,299 5.9 115,792 117,476 -1.4
DOM. PICKUP 28,971 24,057 30.5 104,485 97,689 7.0
DOM. RX 350 6,044 5,361 22.1 21,273 20,669 2.9
SELLING DAYS 24 26 101 101
TOYOTA DIV.
IMPORT CAR 36,558 41,363 -4.3 157,626 120,036 31.3
LEXUS IMPORT CAR 16,317 13,304 32.9 61,510 48,696 26.3
TOYOTA DIV NA
BUILT CARS 67,681 73,307 0.0 248,114 253,077 -2.0
TOTAL TOYOTA CARS 120,556 127,974 2.1 467,250 421,809 10.8
TOYOTA DIV.
IMPORT LT TRUCK 36,488 39,876 -0.9 149,940 134,817 11.2
LEXUS IMPORT
LT TRUCK 3,634 6,014 -34.5 16,703 23,691 -29.5
TOYOTA DIV NA
BUILT LT TRUCK 43,735 40,740 16.3 161,146 163,830 -1.6
LEXUS NA BUILT
LT TRUCK 6,044 5,361 22.1 21,273 20,669 2.9
TOTAL TOYOTA
LT TRUCK 89,901 91,991 5.9 349,062 343,007 1.8
SPORT UTILITY
VEHICLES 43,570 48,373 -2.4 176,213 182,583 -3.5
Memo: Lexus
Sport Utility 9,678 11,375 -7.8 37,976 44,360 -14.4
SMALL VANS 12,773 13,912 -0.5 47,732 54,302 -12.1
PICKUPS 28,971 24,057 30.5 104,485 97,689 7.0
* NORTH AMERICAN
BUILT VEHICLES
COROLLA 28,352 30,769 -0.2 106,896 104,819 2.0
CAMRY 33,538 34,299 5.9 115,792 117,476 -1.4
AVALON 5,791 8,239 -23.9 25,426 30,782 -17.4
SIENNA 12,773 13,912 -0.5 47,732 54,302 -12.1
PICKUP 28,971 24,057 30.5 104,485 97,689 7.0
SEQUOIA 1,991 2,771 -22.2 8,929 11,839 -24.6
RX 350 6,044 5,361 22.1 21,273 20,669 2.9
TOTAL 117,460 119,408 6.6 430,533 437,576 -1.6
N.A. VEHICLES
% OF TOTAL 55.8% 54.3% 52.7% 57.2%
SELLING DAYS 24 26 101 101
DSR = DAILY SELLING
RATESOURCE Toyota Motor Sales (TMS), U.S.A., Inc.
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Autoblog test of the GM system. Ford will need something to compete with this. There are 2 electric motors and everything is contained in the tranny.
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/05/01/ab...-and-gmc-yukon/
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Of course you do.
Well most of the blame for this goes back to Stuttgart. Hybrids were considered a waste at one point in time, and maybe in the long run they are right. But ya'd think they would've at least developed diesels to power a few Chrysler CARS.
FAIL
Why on gods green earth, when NO ONE has a hybrid minivan and Chrysler is supposedly the LEADER when it comes to 'em did they not develop a hybrid version of the Town and Country/Caravan?
They have diesels in cars. Go to Europe and you can buy a 300 with a diesel.
Build a hybrid and lose money.
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Here goes the tard trying to stir shit up again . . .
Why would you call a guy that is right 97.6% of the time a tard?
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nah...no spin..fact...rental companies are lovin it......
It will be interesting to see Chryslers first quarter numbers.
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LOL.....man you just love stirring that pot don't you.......you don't drive a Rhondo do you?
What is a Rhondo?
No I don't drive one. I have a Dart and a GTX and Monte CarloSS and a Valiant convertible and a Chevy pickup and a Ford Ranger but no Rhondo.
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Bluecon, would you please start showing up more than once a month when monthly sales are posted. We miss you!
Kinda like going to the dentist for a root canal
It's nice to see some of you grasping at straws "bubububu......." only to come up with BS. I've had a considerable amount of drive time in an Edge, and it is a very nice vehicle especially for something as heavy as it is. Ford is 95% there with that vehicle.
Oh and please lets not use the Pacifica as an example. It never turned into the darling that Chrysler thought it would. The Freestar (which it competes with BTW) might not be all there interesting or a car for a speed freak, but when it comes to hauling people it has the Pacifica beat hands down.
I remember when they were launching the Pacifica and Zetsche was calling it a segment buster. Just before he said that Toyota would never outsell Chrysler in the USA.
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Interesting that you choose to change the subject.
I did not change the subject. I am merely replying to the dealer that knows more about the auto industry than anyone else.
You are the one that is ducking replying to the topic.
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firesale my friend..AND losses galore...remember the buy a Town and country and we will throw in this vehicle????? And right now fleets are snapping them up due to ridiculously low inventory reduction loss leaders
spin, spin and more spin
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Not a story Genius. It is truth. Other than mis-interpreting data what involvement do you have in the auto industry that gives you any credibility? Your biases cloud common sense. Your posts are a waste of time.
PS Not to mention there are inventory issues which are now affecting sales rate of travel. I'm resorting to buying out of inventories thousands of miles from me. Hardly the trait of a failed vehicle.
Well I know the Ford dealer I bought my truck from provides abysmall service and from what I hear the other ones in town are no better.The dealers are the weakest link in the whole Ford system.
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I think that's all anyone is asking of you. You spout off the handle at the first sign of anything negative, despite the trends of the ENTIRE automobile market for the month. I mean hell, even Toyota's unadjusted numbers were DOWN for the month. Is Toyota now on the brink of bankruptcy according to the Bluecon Book of Economics?
Actually I think the genius of my posts is that I will make predictions and then watch them come true.
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One month up doesn't make it a success. One month down doesn't make it a failure either. You can't have it both ways.
We will just wait a couple more months and see then. OK?
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All manufacturers were down (except Chrysler which had no where else to go but up). Your sales note proves nothing and is no more than spin to prove a baseless point.
Bluecon is ALWAYS wrong.
Actually Bluecon is right 97.6% of the time.
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Ok Blucon, give us a number. What do you think Edge sales will be. This way, if you are right, then there will be no way anyone can say you were wrong. But if your wrong, then you will be proven wrong.
Its easy to make general statements and they say "See, I was right" It wouldn't matter if the Edge outsold every other vehicle in its class, because you would just say, its a failure because it didn't outsell the Camry.
So put up or shut up. What's your number?
I am right again.
Quote Bluecon April 3, 2007.
"One decent month does not prove your case. The numbers look good for March, however I believe long term it will sputter. I think after this initial sales burst you will be looking at 7k a month. Not enough to profitably run a huge plant like OAC. The key thing for Ford is to get the Flex up and running."
http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index...mp;#entry161613
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Dude (blucon),
From where I sit you are dead-ass wrong. I am a dealer so I'm probably way more qualified to comment on it's success or failure than you. I sold 3 of them just last saturday. Talk to the woman who picked up her platinum SEL and shed a tear as she told me it is the most beautiful vehicle she has ever seen. Your idiotic posts are no help to anyone in this forum. This vehicle is one of the hottest things going and Ford has a certified hit on it's hands. Sorry that makes you unhappy. But fact is fact.
Fact is sales were down almost 2k for the month. Nice story though.
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Sheesh, if the Edge was the only vehicle which it sales went down I would have agreed with you, but when everyone's sales are down I don't think this is a trend.
Oh and since you love the Pacifica so much why don't you buy one
Not true, Chrysler group was up.
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Yes, you're constitutionally allowed to have a wrong, malformed opinion.
Or as in this case a correct factual based opinion.
Do you think Edge sales will be up next month? Or is it going to do the 500?
BEC was right.
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There's a reason it's built in a minivan plant. Because it's minivan based. The Edge is not.
The Pacifica isn't direct competition for the Edge. The Murano is.
Not true. It does not have the same chassis as the minivan.
"We outsold the Murano" does not make the Edge a success. Note: sales in March were almost 11k and sales in April are very close to 9k. Downward trend will continue next month.
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Bec should be banned.
Why? For stating his opinion?
I recomend you read the US Constitution. It is still legal to have an opinion in the USA.
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Edges. Not including MKXs.
And Oakville's capacity was NEVER to be fully utilized by the Edge only. They called for less than half.
Bec was wrong, just as you are.
So you think 9k a month is a succes? Barely outsold the Pacifica. And Chrysler builds the Pacifica as a extra vehicle in the minivan plant. The Edge will be lucky to crack the 100k barrier for the year.
BEC was right.
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Chrysler up and the Edge mirroring the 500.
Who would of thunk it?
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The Edge sold just over 9,000 and you are declaring it a great success?ROTFLMAO
The Oakville plant which has a capacity of 25k a month made 9,000 Edges?
There is no stopping the Ford jugernaut.
BEC was right.
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Churlish. Ford did not copy the Toyota system.
Churlish yes but true.
My believe is that for every hybrid Ford sells they pay Toyota a royalty. And only a fool would think Ford did not copy the Toyota system. (disclaimer: this board is overun with fools)
April 2007 Sales: Ford Motor Company
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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The quote is accurate. Do you think it is possible that both quotes are accurate? Perhaps there is more than one quote from Henry Ford? Your first post and you are already wrong. It will be very difficult for you to match my 97.6% accuracy rate.