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Posts posted by Shipwright
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thak the heavons for Ford not releasing the KITT Mustang...........
Please, the less said about the KITT Mustang the better. They should have made that piece of crap with a GM product like the original.
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Per the GM media site, the Camaro had sold a total of 47,233 through the end of October.
The real question is where these cars purchased by actual paying customers or just sitting in GM dealerships collecting dust?
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Yep ....go to the pet store and get a couple more gerbils and you have a super Honda
Or the hardware store and get a leaf blower to "supercharge the engine".
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First Saab. Next, Opel/Vauxhall/Saturn? GM is truly unravelling before our eyes.
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I don't care what year they're on, the Camaro SS and 500hp GT500 will be on sale at the same time and I'd rather have the SS. Besides, Chevy has the Z28 waiting to pounce.
I believe production of the GT500 ceases in January or February with no official announcement of a replacement from Ford. If your basing your purchasing decision on power/handling/mileage then lets wait and compare actual production cars to get definitive data instead of bench racing.
As a side note, I happen to like the look of the new Camaro and think the convertible version (pray GM makes it) will be very attractive, I just have a hard time with the interior.
(disclaimer) I own an 08 Grabber Orange GT500 Vert.
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Hey boys and girls. How about this comparison:
GT500 = 500hp/3920lbs/T56
Camaro SS = 422hp/3860lbs/T56
GT500 = 14/20 MPG
Camaro SS = 15/23 MPG
The Camaro also has a much newer chassis and more sophisticated independent rear suspension. Oh yeah, it'll likely cost $10-15k LESS.
Give me a SS - make it red.
I may be mistaken by I sincerely believe that the Shelby has a T6060 (slightly modified version of the Dodge Viper Tranny). The previous generation Cobras where fitted with the T56. If I am wrong please feel free to point it out to me.
As for the specs, let's remember that the current Mustang is in it's 5th year of production, the Shelby is in it's third and all are due for a mid life upddate. In other words instead of comparing real cars (Mustang/ Shelby's) vs pre-production versions of cars due to be built sometime next year, let's do a head to head comparison with production Camaro's with the next iteration of production Mustang/Shelby/whatever S/E that Ford produces. It's a good time to be a muscle car fan.
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Toyota will soon learn that it sucks to be #1. Being the largest manufacturer with massive profits paints a huge target on their backside that every lawyer in the country is just dying to hit. Just ask GM or FORD.
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No, you guy's got it all wrong. This is Toyota's new dump truck option.
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It's funny that a lot of people (GM and Mopar fans) are giving Ford a hard time for cheapening out by putting a SLA in the back of the Mustang. But here we have Chryco going to the expense of putting an IRS in the Callenger but neglecting to give it a limited slip differential. Talk about penny pinching.
Denis
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I wonder if Saturn is going to come out with a Sky version.
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I have never paid above MSRP. Not even for my Shelby (it took a full year of haggling) and I would certainly not entertain any idea of an AMV on a Ranger, what kind drugs is the dealership on.
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You know, I've always regarded you as the type of person with two grandparents. Not two surviving grandparents, just two grandparents. But good topic! You have really put the matter succinctly. Around here, predictably, whenever someone posts a thread about some small car, someone else will inevitably weigh in with "Well, I'd like to see how that thing would do when I T-Bone it with my Canyonero" (smells like a steak and seats 35).
Personally, I want to drive what I want to drive. I'm not going to let some possible, but unlikely, scenario dictate what I drive. I am knocking on wood as I type this, but I let my own son get a '65 Mustang (289, 4-speed) for his first car. Now this is not a safe car. But it cost about what a well-used Civic, or Hyundai, or whatever would have cost - and it is so much cooler. Sure I contemplated what might have happened had he gotten in an accident in it: rigid steering column, no shoulder harnesses, let alone airbags, drum brakes, ball and worm steering........ but he didn't get in an accident. When he moved away to college, rather than parking the Mustang out in the weather in a gravel lot, we persuaded him to leave it at home in the garage - but he needed something else. His choice? A '68 VW Squareback. Totally hip car, but, squirrelly handling, no power, and the only thing between him and a head-on? The gas tank. Do I worry? Yes. Do I let that dictate what he's gonna drive? No. Me either. I disdain the way of thinking that would have us all - if we followed it to its logical conclusion - driving Mack trucks out of fear for our own safety. But, if your own sense of security requires it, then go ahead and drive whatever. I choose to drive joyfully, not fearfully.
I echo your opinion, I'm 45 and my first card was a 75? Pontiac Ventura II, an automatic V8 with terrible brakes, nebulous steering and minimal road feel, which was eventually totaled by my sister (no injuries). My second car was a Chev Monza 2+2, 4 speed stick with a transplanted Chevelle 350 V8, again a not very safe vehicle by anyones definition (talk about brake fade and understeer), oh I forgot, it was also standard steering and had an undersized steering wheel, again totaled by sister (bumps and bruises). Third car was a brand new 88 Mustang GT, drum brakes in back, heavy nose, going around corners at speed and hitting a pot hole definately had a pucker factor attached to it. I had that car for 15 years before it was stolen never to be seen again. My other vehicles include a 90 Mazda B2200 5 speed manual (totaled by wife in 2000), a 1999 Mazda Protege 1.6L 5 speed (wifes), 2003 Mazda B3000 5 speed (mine) and finally a 2008 SHELBY GT 500 Convertible (ours). My point is that in all my purchasing decisions I bought what I wanted or needed. I don't really care about safety features, to me they are secondary or tertiary features. I don't base my purchases on fear or paranoia but on what suits my needs and desires. If we are going to make our car buying decisions on what is the safest car available then we may as well go for totally automated systems and let computers wheel us to our cubicles.
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I believe the term your looking for is "rationalization"
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1988 Mustang GT (stolen in 2003), first new car and first Ford. That car definately saved my soul and turned me from the dark side (GM).
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As you can see, there are 9 bags of concrete in the pictures. having done a similar load of concrete in my Ranger, i recall the bags being around 90lbs each. (it said so on the bag)
Now, my Ranger had 12 bags in it. so thats 1080 lbs. I didnt have the lumber in the truck but it was probably pretty close to the same weight. (lets say the lumber makes up the 180 lbs extra that i had) I wasnt sagging anywhere near that at all. In fact, i was technically overloaded as well. (payload on the Ranger is 1000 lbs) The truck actually rode well, and i was nowehere near a tail dragger.
Now my buddy that was with me loaded his El Camino up and that was a different story.
I also own a ranger, well actually a Mazda B-3000, which I beleive is rated as a 1/4 ton truck. I had 15 bags of ready mix with an additional 180 lbs of sad in the back and it didn't sag near as bad as this so called 1/2 ton truck.
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3 vehicles
1999 Mazda Protege 1.6L 5 speed (wife's)
2001 Mazda B-3000 5 speed (mine)
2008 Shelby GT500 Vert. (our toy).
What if.............
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Take it to court and let the lawyers sort it out. :banmolest: