I'm not counting Norfolk out. When somebody starts talking logic and Ford at the same time I already know their are insane. I'm also not going to put any money on Norfolks future. I personally don't think any plant should feel overly confident because with the damage Toyota has already done to us and the progress the other companies have made recently that we hadn't really heard of 10 years ago I don't think Ford is where I would want to be counting on my retirement coming from. I hope they make it ,even if not still there but I think things will get much worse before they start to get better.