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  1. 1 hour ago, Footballfan said:

    Tesla is like any other high tech start up- people bid the stock to crazy levels.  The liquidation value of Tesla is probably about 5 or 6 percent if it's market cap. Tesla is a bubble waiting to burst. 

     

    Not with 18% margins they aren't. With margins like that, Tesla is the envy of the industry.

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  2. 1 hour ago, Bob Rosadini said:

    Bill Ford didn't punch anyone in the mouth, but his speech brought it down to a very personal level.  He has stockholders now to answer to- unlike Hank the Deuce when he took over in 1947, but I believe he has the interest of his employees in mind when he talks about what is at stake....it is more than just the stockholders.

     

    It was a good speech, but it will fall upon deaf ears.  Fain's already dismissed it.

     

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2023/10/16/bill-ford-speaks-publicly-about-uaw-talks-for-the-first-time/71199918007/

  3. 1 hour ago, Bob Rosadini said:

    I read that Trotman was the guilty party that ruined the Taurus.  He was shown original designs and rejected them with instructions to make them ..."more Ovoid" or words to that effect.  Anyone confirm that?

     

    Only Ford that I would ever asmit in spite of my prejudice...."just plain ugly"!

     

    There was a book written in the 90's that contrasted Ford and Nissan.  I read it years ago, so this is from memory.  The oval Taurus was talked about.  My recollection was that Ford Design wanted the "oval" design, which also required complex and expensive stampings.  Trotman was asked to approve the funding for the stampings, which he did.  

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  4. 1 hour ago, slemke said:

    I don’t remember how the ‘86 did in research clinics, but I do recall analysts being surprised at how well it did in the market.  Maybe it would be more popular than we think.  Put me down as it will be a failure based on the profile akirby posted.

     

    The original 1986 Taurus didn't clinic well.  They even came up with a more conventional front-end design that incorporated a grille.  William Clay Ford decided to be bold and went with the design we know today.

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  5. 2 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

    Well I disagree that it needs to be taken quite to that extreme based on the comments I’m seeing from the general membership but I firmly believe that at this point the only way this gets settled is through arbitration, which would be a gigantic L for Shawn Fain. 

     

    Locking out all UAW workers would never happen.  If GM and Stellantis did the same, it'd plunge this country into a deep recession and none of the Detroit Three would want to be responsible for that.  

  6. 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

    Where did you see that? I would like to read the whole thing 

     

    I enjoy, and agree, with Nolan Finley on a lot of what writes.  I subscribe to the Detroit News.  What I quoted, was from his "Nolan Out Loud" newsletter I get a few times a week.  There's nothing more to his quote than what I posted.  

     

    Not that it matters, Finley has been driving F-series trucks for decades.  

  7. 3 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

    Yep. The dog and pony show continues. Freaking enough already. Give us something to vote on FFS. ......

     

    So how does this work?  Do you, and others, tell your main union rep that you'd like to vote on the latest proposal?  Or does the bargaining committee control everything and they decide when a proposal merits a vote?

  8. How about three hours?  I decided to give it a real test and asked for a rendering of a 1958 Edsel combined with a 1970 BMW 2002 (both with feature a vertical grille).  After three hours of waiting I pulled the plug.  

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  9. From today's Detroit News.  

     

    Ford Motor Co. CEO Jim Farley on Friday accused the United Auto Workers of "holding the deal hostage" over the automaker's four planned battery plants in the United States.  “Here’s the bottom line from Ford’s perspective," Farley said during a news briefing Friday. "First, Ford has offered an incredible contract that would change the lives of over 57,000 workers for the better. Second, we believe the UAW is holding up the deal over battery plants that won’t come online for another two to three years. And finally, we still have time to reach an agreement and avert a real disaster — but not much more time, given the fragility of the supply base.”  "Keep in mind, these battery plants don’t exist yet. They’re mostly joint ventures. And they have not been organized by the UAW yet because the workers haven’t been hired, and won’t be for many years to come," Farley said. "They won’t scale until the next contract.”

     

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2023/09/29/farley-claims-uaw-is-holding-the-deal-hostage-over-battery-plants/71004708007/

     

     

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  10. 4 hours ago, Rick73 said:

    ....Kodak, on the other hand, was primarily a film manufacturer which was obsoleted by digital.  Granted, they had some disposable cameras towards the end if I recall correctly, but that wasn’t their core business.  Regardless, even if they had gone into digital cameras, the iPhone would have still put them out of business because very few people buy digital cameras today.

     

    Off topic, but interesting.  Digital camera sales peaked worldwide in 2010 with 122 million cameras sold.  In 2022 only 8 million digital cameras were sold.  Cellphones. are the new cameras.  

  11. Rural northern Michigan.  We're on I-75, so see a fair amount of Tesla's stopping to juice up at our Supercharger.  Maybe have seen two or three Rivian's this year.  I've seen several Lightnings, but not many Mach-E's.  Bronco's are very popular. 

     

    Addendum:  After Tesla, the most common BEV I've seen has been the Lightning.  I'm about 225 miles from Dearborn, which may be part of the reason.

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  12. 44 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

    I disagree. First time UAW declared a strike against Ford in 50 years happened under his watch. Rumor is Bill Ford is PISSED over how it all played out. 

     

    I doubt this.  I'm sure Bill Ford has been aware of, and has approved, Ford's bargaining strategy from Day One.  

     

    And it was Fain who stiffed both Bill Ford and Farley last Tuesday when they both went to meet with the union to present their latest proposal.  Hard to bargain in good faith when the UAW Chief blows off the meeting.

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  13. 18 minutes ago, akirby said:

    None that were reported other than 4 work days for 5 days pay which was a non starter.

     

    I understand that eliminating tiers is a big one.

     

    Fain will probably get a lot of what he wants.  I expect that the rank and file will love this guy and that he'll be president of the UAW for as long as they allow.

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