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Hey dtpbody, Where is the "12 min. for a potty break if over 30 minutes ..." language? I cannot find it. What page of which book? Thanx

Our Heat Stress Program: If the outdoor temp exceeds 90* Wet bulb (WBGT) test every 2 hrs until outdoor temp falls below 90* WBGT TEMP ACTION 81.5-83.9 BOTTLED WATER 84.0-86.4 BOTTLED WATER & BOTTLED SPORTS DRINK 86.5-87.7 BOTH FLUIDS & 5 MIN EXTRA BREAK / HR 87.8 & ABOVE BOTH FLUIDS & 10 MIN EXTRA BREAK / HR New cooling neck wrap offered annually. Fully stocked ice chest available 5/15 -9/30.

Can anyone tell me what your heat stress policy is at your plant? I do not have ours with me, I left it at work, but will post ours on here tomorrow. I need to know what guidelines the other plants/facilities use. Specifically what I to know is; at what temperature do you start taking wet bulb readings, and what wet bulb temperatures trigger what action (i.e. distributing water, Gatorade, and extra break), how often do you take wet bulb readings, and how much extra break do you get? I would also like to know if the water, Gatorade, and extra break is given hourly, and if not hourly then how often? Do you have any language in your local agreement, and what is it if you do? Thanks in advance

If you think i am an idiot you are entitled to your opinion. I do know that we can strike over anything if the contract expires and negotiations break down, but will we? What has been delivered on the past product promises? Do you think the people who brought you the last multiple concession agreements are going to suddenly wake up or take a hard line in 2011? I'm sure the economy will be better and the public and the government will love us by then(I remember this argument from the IUAW rep that was walked around our plant for the last concession). So, if a local takes a hard line after 2011 because they never received a new product that was promised could they? Ask an Atlanta transfers about that. I must admit that I was angry (I did say he made our union weak, and if he had the balls to answere my questions or not he could apologize, but by no measure did I give him the cussing he gave me) that he was so eager to endorse this deal on a product commitment(said to wait and see, but he sure tried to sell it), and the Nashville statement, the Chrysler retiree copay statement and the other things he stated. Since you think I am an idiot why debate the facts with you? So do not listen to me or the other members who see this for what it is. Throw those new hires under the bus so we can get over this hump, they will never be over 20% right. After all, they will never outvote us, or they will understand. Why worry about the trades if your production?(same argument - at least you still have a job, with the opportunity to grow into an oak tree some day, little acorn)Go ahead, put your fate in the hands of an arbitrator. Blah, blah, blah, right! Just the opinion of an idiot ass who kisses johnsons and has to blow union brothers in solidarity.

I got an uncalled for cussing from Eagle over the strike question. No apology followed, that is fine with me, as he has proven himself an idiot. The reason I was vocal is he is not accurate(on many issues), and the last thing we need at this time is to not understand our contract and what we can or cannot do, especially when it comes to renegotiating concessions. Even if we keep the right to strike you cannot strike over product commitment. The contract outlines what you strike over. I gave the Article and Sections numbers of our contract that outline this. It was the post before he told me to kiss his penis, called me an ass, f-off, oh and my favorite blow him in solidarity. This is why we struggle. There is a reason we do not strike over wages, see art. and sec. mentioned above. Why do I care, it is my union also. Why would I post again after being humiliated? This stuff is more important than my ego. But, what do I know. I'm just some dumb hillbilly that has moved halfway across the country for this job. Other qualifications like being active in our union, holding elected positions and negotiating a local contract pale in comparison to Mr. Eagles experience. People like Eagle are the reason I have only posted 20 times in 3 years. This is why a lot of other knowledgeable people choose not to post here. So in closing, be careful who you get your info from. Don't think I wanna put up with the crap on here for a while again.

I have never said f--- the uaw nor did I say vote no. They are not fancy articles, they are our contract! You said "We still have the right to strike if the do not give us the products to keep our plants open!!" You do not have that right contractually, but instead of showing us the language you want me to kiss your penis? Wow, I guess you showed me and everybody else how much you know and who is an a-- ! I gave you contractual facts. What argument did you give except some immature cut-down? I never said I had inside knowledge, that was you. Where have you helped except to claim we have a contractual right to strike that we do not. I also wonder If you would tell me to kiss your penis or f-me if you were not hiding behind a computer screen.

You still have not answered any of my questions! I'll make it easy on you, forget about the other questions, show me where in the cba it says you can strike over product commitments. You talk a bunch of crap. Have you read your contract? Try reading art. 5 -strikes, stoppages and lockouts. That will lead you to art.7 sec. 23 (special procedures - production standard, job security and outside contracting, health and safety and new job rate grievances). That will lead you to art. 4 sec. 4a (production standards), or art. 4 sec. 8 (job security and outside contracting), or art. 10 sec 4 (heath and safety). You will not find any language to back you ignorance up there. So what are the only three things you can strike over? (since your too lazy to read your contract ask your buddy when you have breakfast) Are you not curious as to why product commitment have not been fulfilled, or why the company is eager to trade these for concessions ? Prove me wrong! You do not understand your own contract, which most workers don't. You make our union weak. I tried to tell you, but you would not listen. You continued to spout off how your buddy did you a favor. This is exactly how we got were we are today. Too lazy to learn your own contract. If you have the balls to do that then you can answer the other questions, then you can apologize, then you can learn your contract and try to do something besides help the company hide the weenie in my brothers and sisters. This is the only way out. You are the reason these things get passed. Too many people fought for what we have for you to piss it away on a promise that you cannot force the company to keep. If by chance you do respond and prove me wrong I will apoligize to you. Does that sound fair? In solidarity -Donkey

Eagle, Did the government f--- us? You suggest that ford will shut down U.S. operations in 2011. You suggest that we did not strike in the '80s, and waited till the '90s. You still have not answered my questions from last night! You suggest the pension will follow the VEBA? Dude, have you looked into the VEBA. I too have Chrysler retirees as parents, ex ford employees -due to the '80s. You give no info, but argue with the rank and file because your freind is a negotiator? Answer my questions or do go away, for I too am a Hillbilly, but I do know a few things. The difference is I am not trying to convince anyone based off a hour phone call to someone who is vested in the negotiating process. I have never said this, but I too like Liquid. He seems to be a contract reader with a firm grip on how these things work. I am glad to see the membership come together. Now I hope everyone starts to dig deeper than opinion. Learn to fish, not ask for fish. We need to stop playing checkers and start playing chess. We are supposed to be doing more than earning a paycheck. Go union - Go labor - Go America before its too late. Gotta go to work- In solidarity -Donkey

Where does it say we can strike over product commitment? Quality is not controllable as long as management needs quantity. Do you really understand what happened at Nashville? Does anything change at the convention? my kids just got up, and I got to go to bed. I love my rank and file brothers and sisters. See ya'll in the morning.

I am curious as to your intent/meaning with the above statement. Could you elaborate a bit?

Your post makes me think your on nites. Tharp (uaw safety 1407)has been out of town, I had a small issue last week and did not get response til Monday (how I found out he was gone) I have had trouble getting anyone to pick up 1539 in the committee room. Called it last week and left it ringing when we went to break, it was still ringing when the line started back up. I have been told they got new phones, but have not received any new number. Bargaining is 1193 and I get better luck getting someone in there. Skippy does have a large district, Hi-lo's on both sides of house + paint . You have the right to refuse if you FEEL your safety is in peril. Skippy can't make that choice for you. You are responsible for your own safety. You should be ok in labor even if you are safe, as the benchmark is your impression of being put in danger. I have refused to do a job once for safety and the boss did not bat an eye, it was Delmar, which got him some points in my book. No trip to labor, I got a different assignment and he got the issue handled without me being involved. Man whatever you do, do it safely. Don't take a chance working in a area that could get you or someone else squished. Never seen one of those injury report list that did not have at least one hi-lo incident. -boom shanka

Funny, that is what the int. rep told one of the guys in my area tonight. He didn't say the negotiators sux or are in bed, but when my coworker started asking good questions that is what the dude from Lima told him. Very sad. I didn't talk to him much. I had heard he would suck your dick for a yes vote. I might have taking the offer except he had a cold sore. If I brought that home I think my wife would be suspicious. The real sad thing was I think if you were gonna vote yes and heard this dude's talk you'd vote no. Since Lima is where he used to be chair, and they voted it down he should have gone there. Hell, maybe he did go and that's why it failed. I just hope he wasn't Level.

my prediction is we get fucked in a contract or two. Checker playing idiots. King me , king me. The game is chess, but you go ahead and move there.

I had a little time to kill before the convention and I knew how i would spend my time. Up at the crack of dawn. Wait in line, and get a nametag that I happily affix to my dress blues. I want to look good, Had to trade in coveralls for a week to get a pair that aren’t ripped and torn, hell these are even dark still, like they only been worn a few hundred times. I even risked violating the rules and brought them home. Washed out the smell of the previous tasks and men who wore this marvel of utilitarian covering that my wife also loving scented with fabric softener and pressed crisp creases in the legs and arms. I didn't know if these things are rigged but the marine always gets called down, so it can't hurt. I hear my name called. No way , cannot be. I look around all my buddies from work are there looking at me. Everybody looks excited. Some look oddly concerned as though they feel sorry for me. Some seem to be happy just to see me go sit somewhere besides with them. Right on, I run down and take my place for the bidding. I glance at my competition. At least I made it this far. The next Item up for bidding was... a box of Choctaw gloves. Made of woven cotton, by hand craftsmen. Poor bastards. I knew this product, none of the other contestants knew of the quality of these holy gloves. Their magical power to find and retain slivers of metal, align them perpendicular to you tender nerve filled fingertips and the penetrate you. Everyone overbids, that would explain the way the company hordes them, I bid a dollar. It didn't seem important to mention but for some reason Drew was not able to do the show and they had somehow gotten Ron Gettlefinger to be the guest host, guess he was in for the convention too. Next thing I know I'm up on stage hugging Ron like some.., Jesus did I just hug Ron. "easy shop rat" Ron tells me quietly, away from the microphone. I almost get mad but remember I did write that on my nametag. Then some vixen pulls back a screen to reveal a new car. The best you could hope for in the first round. " A testament to American sweat, blah blah assembled proudly in America ...."the announcer is saying. I couldn't even hear him. All I realized was they were going to give me a fucking Honda. I Think Ron could see I was hot. Once again he offered quiet advice " don't worry". Somehow I'll fumble my way thru this ridiculous game much like my life so far. Lucky for me all I have to do is choose the cheaper product of two choices. Grey wolf over Kodiak, Miller over Heineken, Hy-Vee soda over Coke. I guess I had had some practice recently. Wow, there is the wheel. I know the drill, reach up and pull. The boos amaze me when the wheel fails to go around completely. Once again, I come up short. I make the best of the next spin. I end up with 75 and to my surprise my 75 gets me to the showdown. I have no problem with not getting the first showcase, either way I'm a winner. They lead me to the podium and I find it crowded with international reps and some members of the region and even a couple of local guys. Every one assures me they are here to get me thru this. I think to myself that it can get no weirder. As I look to my left and around a few of my guys I get my first glance at the other guy. Amazingly he appears to be a shop rat also. I know this because he is wearing a pair of Chrysler and a pair of GM coveralls draped over his sick and grotesquely disfigured body. At this point the fact the poor bastard has two heads doesn’t bother me, I feel sorry for him because he has twice as many reps trying to help him. Believe it or not, I’m sitting there hoping this Quasimodo fucker is some desperate dayshift family fuck. Since he has the first showcase, maybe he'll be so worried about telling his wife and kids that he let his emotions get the better of him he’ll bid on the first showcase, instead of waiting for the second offer. Its probably some 5 piece bedroom suit, wall to wall carpet for three rooms, and a grandfather clock. Somewhere in my daze Quasimodo’s negotiators past the showcase on to me. Here I was dreaming about jet skis and Hawaii vacations, you know second showcase stuff, when I should have been paying attention. I guess working the line has taught me how to drift off. Thank god my negotiating team is here. I try to make up for lost time and begin figuring how much my job is worth. Shit what where the other things in his showcase, retiree security, product commitments, how many weeks of sub pay do I need? What is that knocking noise? Daddy who? Wake up, what? My boy is on my chest, " mommy says you need to get up now". I stumble into the living room. "Thought you might want to get up and spend some time with us before work." says my wife. I remind her that I am laid off. "well sit down and watch some TV with us." She says. “The price is right is about to come on."

You are full of crap. there is a union meeting Sunday. Will you be there ? Do you have the balls to speak against the chair with him there to defend himself? So much easier to spurt your stuff on here. You sir are the problem.