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Jeff, the transferred worked great for me because I moved to Mi to work at DTP and now at LAP. I'm very grateful for the move I made to keep my union job. I got your point and I agree with you..getting out of the union is not the answer. I use the example of people that took buyouts because they were in the union at one time and now many have to deal with non union companies. Although I disagree with certain things that happened in our last contract, we still came out better by having a union.
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Jeff, it is funny! People are happy about cut wages and benefits in order to attract out of state business, really? You don't have to go far to ask the questions to friends and family members that took buyouts. Ask them how are they doing on their non union JOBS compared to what they had at Ford? Ask the educated ones too! I transferred from VA a RTW state in order to keep my job. I knew I was not going to find any non union job compare or anywhere near to what I have with Ford. I totally disagree with 2nd tiers and voted against it. How many times have you guys received phone calls from people asking, how can they get back with Ford? Everyone I've talked to that worked at NAP said they would come back for $15 hour because it's better then what they are making now! I have educated friends and family members that makes a very good income but my benefits as a whole are better than theirs.
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They had to come back as a 2nd Tier employee also!
Yes!
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I was told that only education buyouts would be reconsidered and that retiree buyouts and separation packages would not. I know two buyout people who tried to fill openings and were told they could not, because the company had issues with the possiblity of them receiving another buyout in the future. Plus you already traded your pension for cash upfront and then if they rehire you and you get your 85 points you'd be able to get that pension back.
Hughes, you are right. I wonder how many buyout people read the fine print. Ex-Ford employees can come back if they received a degree, It doesn't have to be something related to Ford. I work with three people at LAP that took the education buyouts, got their degrees and came back, two from MI and one here in Louisville. They never worked in their fields/majors and wished they never took the buyout...one is trying to get into management. Jay22, if you can not find a good paying job in Mi, move to another state. Don't let not having a job with Ford keep you from pursuing another career path. I wish you the best, God Bless you..
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But Bob King is only looking out for my best interest, that is why I pay 2 hours a month!'
LMFAO
I use to be very positive about the union but now I wonder about the future! Not so much for myself but the new employees.
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There is nothing wrong with voting NO! Try it. You might like it? If you don't like the contract...... vote NO!
p.s. If you don't like Obama, vote him out? Don't let Bob King or your local union reps. tell you who to vote for! Your dignity is worth something!
I don't understand why you republican voters don't like Bob King. He's right on point with the way the GOPs act by given everything away to the rich. You think about your dignity when it comes to voting for politicians? you must have low standards about yourself.
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I'm sorry to have to inform all of the former AAI workers but, you will not be able to return . Ford has changed the name to Flat Rock Assembly Plant . So just like the former Michigan Truck workers you will not have RTBU rights. Enjoy your remaining years at DTP . :banmolest:
The Michigan truck people I worked with at DTP were asked if they wanted to return. The lady I worked across from as well as others told management no. These are Passed opportunities posted in the five years I was there, Chicago, LAP, KTP, Lima and Michigan Assembly etc.
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How low would a person go? There are gulags in North Korea. Maybe they can get some ideas from there. When an auto company messes up a nice community with their factory, it behooves them to provide lots of good paying jobs in return. These jobs should pay an ethical wage which puts the worker in a high enough tax bracket that he is at least paying his share of the federal and provincial budgets, plus providing a good life for his family. These citizens should not be on their hands and knees begging and under-cutting each other for jobs. If that is the case, they were better off before the factory scarred up their nice town.
Excellent post!
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Oh, I forgot, please save your money and God Bless all of us on the next contract.
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Plant closings, lay offs, high unemployment , everyone done what they felt was right by giving concessions to keep working in these tough times!
Not everyone...don't forget, the company took care of management after we sold one another out for a few $. They told us, plant closings and buyouts were supposed to take care all cuts and downsizing. I bet they sleep good at night while laughing at us!! Hmmm, tough times, plants are running 3 shifts, working 11-12 hours 7 days a week and we can't build Ford vehicles fast enough. All I'm saying is people are purchasing cars and trucks in these tough times.
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As long as the membership can be bullied and/or bought, the membership will continue to get contracts like the ALL WILL SUFFER.
Wasn`t Sharonville one of the locals to be overwelmed by the great speeches given by our IUAW Rep`s? Remember the "Ford could go bankrupt" or "SIX THOUSAND DOLLAR Ford was just going to give us".... welcome to the word of real business. The labor at Sharonville, along with all the other plants, has been sold to Ford at bargain basement prices.... not exactly Prom Queen prices..... Makes the 6K sound real good now. Those TWO family (FMLA) day`s over the life of the contract will help give the membership some much needed additional paid time off. HEY, thats like 32 paid lunchs over FOUR YEARS...... :shades:
Oh well, it is what it is.... by law they (IUAW) did their job. We got what we got, because WE had a majority of members that said its a great contract. Now its a done deal, feel like a Prom Queen yet?
By the way there are laws that do call for a "rest period" some time in the work schedule.
Contract Reality.... the Awakening as some lawyer`s would put it. Sharonville, welcome to the awakening and realization of your next three years working the same corner, along with all the other Prom Queens. :banmolest:
Decker
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Great post! Welcome to the new way forward that doesn't includes the union workers.
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It`s simple math.
The 1500 2nd tier members are paid less than 750 seniority members. The total of a 40 hour check a senoirity members earns will take the 2nd tier over 80 hours to equal. Then there is the lack of benefits for the 2nd tier members compared to seniority members. Also the complete elimination a dedicated retirement plan and no dependent insurance for a long time. and don`t forget no liability for any of our medical insurance when we retire.
It all adds up to...... no labor cost lie, just a permanent labor cost elimination.
Decker
I replied to the post he wrote about 2 tier employees labor cost.. The permanent labor cost eliminated by the voting union members!
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Trust me Ford is making bigger profits at CAP and LAP with all the 2nd Tier labor
We know the goal of a successful business is to increase productivity by having low Labor Costs. In Ford case, the majority members were brainwashed into voting yes to take from the 2 tier employees and Ford gave raises and all benefits back to management...The costs been moved from the bottom to the top. If you read the business news, you would also know cheap labor doesn't always benefit companies " you get what you pay for".
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With all the 2nd Tier employees at Chicago why move it to another plant with high labor cost !
Only other plant I guess it could go to would be Flat Rock.
You still believe the Labor cost lie? funny!!
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I really have no words for what they were thinking. It is literally beyond comprehension.
It is beyond mines too!! I am totally clueless on the majority members that voted yes on the contract, why are they sooo mad about the ruling? This is absolutely crazy, I can't stop laughing! Please save your money...
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Sorry to read these posts about DTP. The Rouge and DTP have provided me with a good job, pay and great benefits for over 30 years. The misfits that post here are of the .001% of us at DTP.
The posts here are of the .001% of the people at DTP, hmmm misfits, Really? You're kidding me, right? That's the biggest lie I've ever read on this forum! Louie, I think it's great that your experiences at the Rouge and DTP been good but I've seen and heard about so much wrong day in and day out...not everybody has had the same as you. I transferred to LAP, the people are wonderful, I like the plant and living in Louisville, Go UK!
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In my years at ford motor company and the 5 jackets that i have received over that time, never have i seen something so pathetic as last week when the DTP winter jackets were passed out. My first thought was nice coat until i seen the unbelievable, on the right breast of the jacket embroidered was "NICK KOTTALIS PRESIDENT / CHAIRMAN" and below that was "ANTHONY HOSKINS PLANT MANAGER". Who would want NICK that stupid asshole's name and HOSKINS( who don't even work there anymore) on their coat. It looks like that shady simpleton NICK KOTTALIS thought he found a way for years of free campaigning. Well "THE MEMBERSHIP / VOTERS" are pissed and will know who not to vote for at the next election by reading your name off of everybody's fuck'in jacket....
The members I talked to said they are going to have both names removed...I'm going to put a Ford patch over it.
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The Detroit Free Press and Detroit News both reported last week in an interview with Mark Fields, Head of North American operations, that because Ford wants to hire up to 8,000 new hires in the next 4 years, a new round of buyouts would occur between January and March. These would be separation buyouts for non retirement eligible employees.(Different buyouts then the 100k skilled & 50k production now being offered) No mention of the amount being offered. In this bad economy, I don't see many workers taking the offer, whether it's 30, 50, or even 100k. I don't have the link for the article (my computer won't copy the links correctly most of the time anyway), but it will be on both those sites, someone can post it. They really want to replace the $28 an hour people and aren't afraid to admit it!
Mark Fields should take a buyout, I'm sure Ford can hire a college grad to do his job for a lot less!
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DTP is going to make production adjustment's so KCAP will run a second shift starting next spring " no date has been set for the second shift"
DTP is going to be retooled to run the 8 foot box
@Ford Online mentioned in this news article, the second shift will start in may.
KANSAS CITY, Mo. – Ford Motor Company today confirmed Kansas City Assembly Plant workers will build its full-size Transit van – Europe’s best-selling commercial vehicle – when the new product joins its North American lineup in 2013.
This is another example of the company’s One Ford strategy to serve customers with world-class vehicles and leverage global assets, including common platforms, and brings new jobs to greater Kansas City.
The company is investing $1.1 billion – $700 million more than was previously announced – in a new body shop, new tooling in the Final Assembly Area, an upgraded paint shop and an all-new integrated stamping plant, which will be located on an adjacent property in Liberty, Mo. A portion of the investment also will be used in the future to support next-generation F-150 pickup production at the plant.
“Our plans for transforming Kansas City Assembly and constructing a new integrated stamping plant to support Transit production demonstrate just how committed Ford is to our employees, the city of Liberty and the broader Claycomo community,” said Mark Fields, Ford’s president of The Americas. “More importantly, this shows that Ford is truly committed to investing in the U.S. and doing our part to support U.S. manufacturing, which is critical to our country’s ability to compete.”
Ford is investing $16 billion in its U.S. operations – including $6.2 billion in U.S. plants – to design, engineer and produce more new and upgraded vehicles and components by 2015.The company also is adding 12,000 hourly jobs at its U.S. manufacturing facilities – including 1,600 in Kansas City.
The current SUV line at the Kansas City facility, which will be idled for re-tooling after the current Escape model is phased out in April, will re-open in 2013. During re-tooling, the plant will continue to build F-150 trucks.
The company also plans to increase F-150 production at the facility, which will build the trucks on two shifts instead of one beginning in May. This will bring approximately 800 additional employees to the Kansas City Assembly truck line, for a total of approximately 1,700 workers.
When this increase takes effect, Ford will build the nation’s best-selling vehicle on five shifts – two in Kansas City and three in Dearborn – allowing the company to better meet increasing customer demand.
F-Series, America’s best-selling truck for 34 straight years, is experiencing a year-to-date total sales increase of 8 percent. The F-150 equipped with a V6 engine remains extremely popular. The fuel-efficient EcoBoost V6 accounted for 42 percent of F-150 sales in September, while the 3.7-liter comprised 15 percent. This is the fifth consecutive month that V6s have outsold V8s in the F-Series.
“Our ‘Built Ford Tough’ F-150 just keeps getting better and better, and this capacity increase at Kansas City will help us satisfy customers who don’t want to wait to own one,” Fields said. “Our new F-150 engine choices include the innovative EcoBoost with best-in-class power, performance, capability and fuel economy our truck customers truly want and value.”
Kansas City Assembly Plant is Ford’s fourth North American facility to be re-tooled to produce new vehicles that are part of the company’s balanced product portfolio of cars, utilities, trucks and commercial vehicles. The company’s commitment to install a new product line requiring this level of investment was enabled, in part, by the recent ratification of the new UAW-Ford Collective Bargaining Agreement.
“The men and women of Kansas City Assembly Plant have a proven track record of building a high-quality product that customers love,” said Jimmy Settles, UAW vice president and director of the National Ford Department. “They are a strong and dedicated workforce, and I know they are up to the challenge of building this exciting all-new product for North American customers.”
In recent months, Ford also worked closely with Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon and the Missouri State Legislature in passage of the 2010 Missouri Manufacturing Jobs Act. This legislation provided tax incentives, which also contributed to Ford’s ability to commit to the Kansas City Assembly Plant through new product, new investment and new jobs.
“Americans and Missourians have been building automobiles for generations. It’s who we are.
It’s in our blood,” Gov. Nixon said. “From major plants like Claycomo, to small suppliers located in every corner of our state, American auto workers keep our country moving forward. It was vital that we keep these folks living and working right here in our communities.”
Ford’s current commercial van, the Ford E-Series, is built at the company’s Ohio Assembly Plant in Avon Lake, Ohio. Certain E-Series body styles will continue to be available through most of the decade, even after the Kansas City-built Transit goes on sale.
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In 2008 and 2009 the US Congress, both House and Senate, had hearings about nationalizing the 401k system. Trillions of dollars are in that system. Granted nothing has become of that so far, but the cat is out of the bag as far as I'm concerned. I'm trying to balance my 401k with a brokerage account for retirement. I understands the pros and cons to both. If the 401k system is nationalized at some point in the future I would still have my brokerage account to draw from. Just another way I'm balancing the eggs between my baskets.
As far as the vote count goes does anyone have the totals at this point? I'm not a Facebook user so I don't have access to the UAW page.
I agree, having a well rounded portolio is very important. Outside of my 401k and IRA, I have other investments to draw from if needed, I would say my eggs are very well balanced.
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the solidarty should not be judged by a yes or a no vote,it is in the act of voting itself.
to many attach negitives to how you vote,me i hope all voted the way they trully felt on the issues.
Excellent Post! I have no doubt whatsoever about the decision I made and I'm definitely not emotional about it. I'm at peace and now it's time to move on!
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I wish it was next year. My 401k is almost maxed out for the year and I want to put the whole thing in it. Including the first two quarters if profit sharing they accelerated.
Just a suggestion. Do you have a IRA? if so, put it in there when you maxed in your 401k. I use too maxed out all the time when I worked at NAP, I had a much higher % coming out because of all the overtime we worked, so I put my extra into that account.
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We have user with multiple id's that join a day apart to spread doom and gloom don't think that's funny either
The internet call them "Cyber Bullies" and all the name calling is a perfect description of themselves!!
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For those who have not voted yet—here are the unemployment rates in your states:
Michigan—11.2%
Ohio—9.1%
Kentucky—9.5%
Missouri—8.8%
If we go to strike or lockout like the no voters are pushing, you will be making $200 a week. That's it. You will have to do three shifts of strike duty for the $200. You just don't get a check. You have to walk the picket line.
With the high rates of unemployment in each state, don't think you will be able to go out and get a job to supplement the $200 per week. Let's face it, if you don't have a second job by now, you are sunk. You will lose your home, car and probably your wife. Voting no will bring us all into a hardship that we may never recover or get our jobs back at the rate of pay and benefits we currently have.
Wallstreet, Bankers, Big Companies, the government and their rich buddies and now the IUAW has trickled the guilt and fear down to the middle class by making people feel bad about the mess THEY got this economy in. All the scare tactics posts refers to things like, look at the economy, the general public will hate us, be glad you have a job, oh, did you see the 17,000 people standing in line in Louisville applying for LAP jobs and the unemployment is 9.1%. On top of all the negatives, Ford and many other companies are stll making record profits in a bad economy. Did IUAW have any ill feelings about the economy when they gave themselves raises after we gave up concessions? I wonder if managements felt bad after they received all their benefits and raises back. All the things we use too have before the concessions, did anyone felt guilty at time as if you were being greedy or you didn't deserved those benefits? I'm not saying that we should get everything back but not to receive anything doesn't make sense to me. If your heart and soul tells you yes than vote yes but mines told me no. I pray for the unemployed, I thank God everyday for my job and I'm also very thankful for the 90 - 91% of the work force that are still employed because without them many of us would be laid off!
Which City is Next?
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I agree, we are ignorant to the facts of what is really going on!