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    Surviving layoffs.

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    I read that somewhere as well. However, congress can bite me because the Obama's just planted a garden in the White House.

     

    You can go to page 3 and read the post "Government Control". This is the bill that wants to control growing and canning food.

    Saline Employees

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    i wasnt referring to people running for anything,as my post clearly states,the people coming in temporarily should have more than a few weeks to decide who to vote for,their are some real snakes out there.now how in the hell is giving the people that are voting a couple of months to feel things out a little third worldish.if you are who other people on here claim you are that explains it. theres no reason to have people voting that dont know who their voting for

     

    The timing of the election is dictated by the constitution, you can't just change the date. Our election is this May and you have to be a dues paying member in good standing at the local for one year before you can be nominated for a position in the union. This is also dictated by the constitution.

    Buyout info

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    I saw the same thing. You get 5K for American clunkers, and 4K for foriegn pieces of chit. I haven't seen whether or not they have to be "running". And what I'm most interested in seeing is whether or not the buyer has to "Buy American". That would be a crying shame if we got that money and we could spend it on a foriegn car. The reasoning behind funding the program is primarily two-fold. Although one could argue the environmental impact of the deal which will be significant. First imo is it will help sell more new cars. And because the dealers that get these clunkers will have to have them scrapped; it will clear the market of more used cars, so people will be pushed to buy new. Please don't anyone call me a dumbass because there are no jobs and all that. We're just discussing the "Hooptie Deal"

     

    I read in the paper that the new vehicle has to be "assembled" in America. That would include imports that have assembly plants here, wouldn't it? I would rather see it say "one of the Detroit 3". If it said one of the big three, that could mean GM, Ford or Toyota....

    saline question

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    I talked with Pete today, he said we will be getting people on the 23rd and 30th. Somewhere between 20 and 40 people both weeks, could be more. It depends on when plants let people go. Some are holding them, waiting for replacements. We heard from someone today who works at Wayne, he got a call this afternoon telling him to report to Saline on Monday. If you are coming, be prepared for short work week. Most of the plant is laid off, so you might get two or three days orientation/safety training and then be laid off. Someone needs to do something to get cars selling again. Maybe they will go ahead with the program that gives people vouchers for turning in old cars. Hopefully that means they are buying new cars and American new cars to boot.

    the new tax plan from Obama and the Dems

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    from Grassfire.org

     

    We just got off the phone with some of our contacts on the Hill

    and it is now clear that President Obama's budget -- complete

    with over $1.6 trillion in new taxes including the new global

    warming tax -- is now on a fast track in Congress.

     

    The Senate could vote on approving the Obama budget as early as

    next week with the House to follow shortly thereafter. Our

    contacts tell us Congress could pass this budget before the

    Easter break (which begins in less than three weeks).

     

    Where does it end???????

    saline question

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    This is our fourth week, first week=50, second week=35, third week=50, this week=35. I am not sure if there is a delay for the next couple of weeks. Would make sense though. The plant is very quiet this week due to TLO's and next week they are adding the F150 lines to the TLO. It will be a graveyard in there next week. Don't know how long they are off for either. Hope this info helps

    From the paper

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    Back a few years when rules were more relaxed. Union people were know to go out and sit at the bar(or wherever) and brag about getting paid while they are there. Not all of them did this of course, but enough. I knew a guy that worked for GM. He would go to work, punch in, turn around and walk out, to sit in the bar all day long and tell everyone he was doing this. Now people who have to go to work everyday and stay there in order to get paid, would be a little upset. And then you get the media saying we make $75 per hour. So they are thinking we make this money to do nothing. My brother-in-law is a doctor. He gets patients who are sitting in Gen, when they tell him they get paid good money to sit home, or sit somewhere playing cards all day just waiting for a job to come along, he really doesn't understand the whole concept. And then these people watch the media coverage on strikes, people think we are out there demanding more money. Step outside the union and look back in. We have given the wrong impression. Don't go around telling people what you make, it only upsets them and they think autos are so expensive because of our wages (that we don't earn of course). Oh and then lump all those benefits on top of it.

    People out there ask questions like...what make you think you are entitled to be taken care of for the rest of your life, just because you worked for a company for 30 years? Why do union people get free legal when the rest of the people have to pay out there nose for this service? (They don't know how bad our legal is) And so on, and so on...

    We should be educating the public on how the union has won so many things for the betterment of society. It isn't obvious to them anymore. Working conditions in every industry are better and the companies do this just to keep the union out.

    The public just doesn't understand where they and we have come from and how much good the union has done for everyone. We really need to find a way to educate them, but I think at this point they will just think we are trying to justify.

    Saline transfers

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    We have gotten 135 people in the last three weeks. Another 35 is coming in this week. I don't know the cut of seniority for this week. Last week we got 93's. You will like Saline, great place to work, nice people for the most part, even the worst job is better than assy.

    We are one of the plants that is called the "country club". Welcome to the "club"

    Government Control

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    The orignal post is copied from the American Policy center website. The American Policy Center is one of the nation’s leading grassroots activist organizations. Before forming and posting your replies/opinions please read the bill as written for yourself, not someone else's view of it.

     

     

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-875

     

    I did not get this post from the American Policy center website. And I looked over the bill in your link, I don't see anything that it telling me any different than what I originally posted. I put this out there to inform people, there are many people who grow there own vegetables and I have friends that own small farms that this would affect. Nothing wrong with informing people.

    I don't like how the Government is taking over so many aspects of our life.

    Shut Down

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    I heard that some people may be working (probably trades) the first week of July but that the week in August is a black out.

    We at Saline supply many different plants, Dearborn, Wayne, Kentucky, Chicago, Kansas City etc. We can't be in a black out situation if all the plants are not going down at once.

    From the paper

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    Thanks. I worked for a company where the UAW tried to organize. One of the workers (company favorite, patsy) did all he could to get no votes. The company threatened to close shop and move overseas. Car windows were broken, tires were slashed. People at first liked what the union had to say, wanted the union. The company scared them all off. The vote went down. Funny part is though, that guy that helped the company get the no vote, his position was done away with afterwards and he lost is job. What a way to thank him for being to loyal to the company.

    I am UNION all the way and very proud of it.

    Government Control

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    United States Representative Rosa DeLauro (D-CT) has proposed

    legislation, *H.R. 875*, which *would literally prohibit Americans from

    raising food* for themselves, their families, or *even for their

    animals*, without the */uber alles/ national government's permission!*

    Extreme statement? NOT! *H.R. 875 makes Americans serfs on their own

    land!* Read on; this one bill could wipe the United States, /as a free

    nation/, from the face of the Earth! *We urgently need your help to kill

    this extremely dangerous bill!*

     

    *H.R. 875, the so-called Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009 (FSMA)*

    sounds innocent enough at first blush, with language purporting to

    "protect the public health by preventing food-borne illness, ensuring

    the safety of food, improving research on contaminants leading to

    food-borne illness, and improving security of food from intentional

    contamination, and for other purposes." In reality, *the FSMA is an

    extensive and all-controlling abomination that must be stopped!*

     

    The *FSMA mandates registration* of every "food production facility,"

    which the bill defines as *"any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard,

    aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation;" and every*

    "food establishment," which the bill defines as "a slaughterhouse...,

    factory, warehouse, *or facility owned or operated by a person located

    in any State that processes food or a facility that holds, stores, or

    transports food or food ingredients."*

     

    *H.R. 875 makes NAIS look tame.* This bill will not just sweep up

    commercial food operations. The fine print of the FSMA will subject

    hobby gardeners, home canners, anyone with a few chickens, or anyone who

    "holds, stores, or transports food" - including mushrooms or wild

    berries gathered in the wild - to registration, extensive management,

    and inspection by a huge new bureaucracy, the Food Safety Administration

    (FSA)- even if the food items will only be consumed personally. And

    registration must be via "an electronic portal," which will be costly

    and difficult for those without computers.

     

    *H.R. 875 exponentially advances the "Foodborne Disease Surveillance

    Systems" required of member states of the World Health Organization

    (WHO)*, which includes the United States. "Food establishments" will be

    required to adopt preventive process controls, *including implementing

    recordkeeping and labeling of all food and food ingredients to

    facilitate their identification and traceability, /including

    instructions for handling and preparation for consumption./* This might

    sound rather reasonable... until you remember the definition of a "food

    establishment" above.

     

    Immensely telling of how seriously this bill */does not/* take "food

    safety," though, is Section 204(2)©, which promises the Administrator

    will identify the "5 most significant (food) contaminants", and */"not

    later than 3 years after a contaminant is so identified/*, the

    Administrator shall promulgate a performance standard..." Gee whiz,

    what's the rush?

     

    Perhaps *the Administrator's promulgation timetable has little to do

    with acting quickly and decisively to protect U.S. citizens* (or even

    "*/all people/* in the United States" as required by the FSMA) and much,

    much more to do with the World Health Organization's stated desire in

    its 2004 report entitled *_"FOODBORNE DISEASE MONITORING AND

    SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS"_* that "the objectives and strategies (of food

    borne disease surveillance systems) established by each country should

    be */acceptable to all member countries/*

    (www.fao.org/docrep/meeting/006/j2381e.htm)

    <http://www.fao.org/docrep/meeting/006/j2381e.htm>," which doubtless

    would take time.

     

    Perhaps it is because *"studies linking pathogens in food to the disease

    in humans would help quantify the risk of food borne diseases."* In

    other words, *no entity*, not the Centers for Disease Control and

    Prevention (CDC), and not the WHO, *can prove a significant problem

    /_exists in the United States._/*

     

    The FSMA will not even quickly implement protections for Americans from

    contaminated foreign foodstuffs. The bill states, "(n)ot later than *2

    years* after the date of the enactment of this Act" imported food

    products shall be certified safe "by the accredited foreign government

    (think CHINA!) or by an accredited certifying agent..." Again, what's

    the rush?

     

    Maddeningly, the *FSMA expects Congress to again approve a far-reaching

    bill without knowing the details.* In this case, Congress will find out

    much later:

     

    * what federal resources would be dedicated to foodborne illness and

    food safety research;

     

    * what transfer of agencies, personnel, assets, obligations, and

    consolidation, reorganization, or streamlining of agencies will be

    involved; and

     

    * the details of regulations the new Food Czar (Administrator of the

    FSA) will promulgate after enactment of the Act.

     

     

     

    Among the statutory foundations the FSMA claims for guidance and

    authority is the *National Animal Identification System*, which *HAS

    NEVER BEEN ENACTED INTO LAW BY CONGRESS!*

     

    But beyond the *mandated violations of our civil liberties* in the FSMA

    - registration, traceability, inspections, seizures, etc. (all without

    court orders or search warrants), - *the truly chilling language lays

    out civil and criminal penalties of up to $1 million per day, per

    infraction, and imprisonment of five or ten years, or both, depending

    how serious the violation(s).*

     

    Additionally, "(a)n order assessing a civil penalty against a person...

    *_shall be a final order_* unless the person-- (A) not later than 30

    days after the effective date of the order, files a petition for

    judicial review of the order in the United States court of appeals...

    (and) (t)he findings of the Administrator relating to the order shall be

    set aside *only if found to be unsupported by /substantial evidence on

    the record as a whole./"* The FSMA is so over-the-top in its overreach

    that the bill's language states, *"(t)he validity and appropriateness of

    the order of the Administrator assessing the civil penalty _shall not be

    subject to judicial review_."*

     

    And if you're by now thinking this is about as outrageous as this bill

    can be, you'd be very wrong. Section 406 clearly states, *"(i)n any

    action to enforce the requirements of the food safety law, the

    connection with interstate commerce /_required for jurisdiction_/ SHALL

    BE PRESUMED TO EXIST."*

     

    Now, for those who noticed, and questioned, why "foodborne" is spelled

    as if we reside "on the Continent," and why the United States government

    is attempting to implement a "solution" wanting for a "problem" - you

    guessed it - *"Foodborne Disease Monitoring and Surveillance Systems"

    are a priority with the World Health Organization*, to which our

    national government has committed US through its membership.

     

    The 53rd World Health Assembly (a branch of the WHO) in the year 2000

    adopted a resolution to recognize food safety as an essential public

    health function and called for the development of a *Global Strategy*

    for reduction of the burden of food borne diseases. The resolution (WHA

    53.15) encouraged member states "to implement and keep national, and

    when appropriate, regional mechanisms for food borne diseases

    surveillance." All this, despite the WHO admission in a 2004 report

    (www.fao.org/docrep/meeting/006/j2381e.htm)

    <http://www.fao.org/docrep/meeting/006/j2381e.htm> that *"(t)he true

    dimension of the burden of food borne diseases is still unknown..."*

     

    *The FSMA is a "government solution" in seek of a problem!* In the year

    1900 at least some cases in two of the ten leading causes of death might

    have been food related (diarrhea/enteritis, liver disease). But the twin

    leading causes were pneumonia, followed closely by tuberculosis.

     

    In 2002, WHO listed the leading cause of death in the U.S.

    (www.who.int/whosis/mort/profiles/mort_amro_usa_

    unitedstatesofamerica.pdf)

    <http://www.who.int/whosis/mort/profiles/mort_amro_usa_unitedstatesofamerica.pdf>

    as ischaemic heart disease, killing ~ 514,000 people. The second

    greatest cause was cerebrovascular disease (stroke), killing ~ 163,000.

    *None of the top ten causes bore any relation to foodborne illness.*

     

    In apparent support of all this brazen, strong-arm command and control

    attempt, the CDC reports its */estimate/* that every year in the United

    States sees approximately 76 million cases of foodborne illness

    (www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/meat/safe/foodborne.html)

    <http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/meat/safe/foodborne.html>, with

    325,000 hospitalizations and 5,000 deaths (which equates to one death

    out of every 15,200 who become ill). Admittedly those 5,000 deaths are

    significant, and devastating to all those involved, but this figure must

    be put in perspective. We must consider the larger picture long before

    we even consider such draconian measures as those mandated by the FSMA.

     

    Perhaps too little is known of reports that *"iatrogenic events"* -

    medical errors - *kill almost 800,000 in the U.S. each year*

    (www.whale.to/a/null9.html#Underreporting_of_Iatrogenic_Events_)

    <http://www.whale.to/a/null9.html#Underreporting_of_Iatrogenic_Events_>.

    That's the equivalent of six jumbo jets falling out the sky each and

    every day. Those who track these events believe as few as 5% and no more

    than 20% of these deaths are ever reported.

     

    Clearly deaths resulting from foodborne disease are exponentially lower

    than these other major causes, which begs an obvious question: *If

    Congress is so very concerned about our health, why haven't they felt

    inclined to tackle the much more significant incidence of iatrogenic

    deaths in this nation?* Hmmm?

     

    One need only consider the "Healthy People 2010" goals

    (www.healthypeople.gov/About/goals.htm)

    <http://www.healthypeople.gov/About/goals.htm> to understand the true

    (A)genda behind this initiative.

     

    *_ACTION TO TAKE_*

     

    *The FSMA is an extremely dangerous bill. /We recommend a multi-prong

    attack/*, as the more salvos we throw at the FSMA the better chance we

    have of killing this abomination.

     

    * *Contact House Speaker Nancy Pelosi*, via phone: (202) 225-0100,

    or email: http://speaker.house.gov/contact/.

     

     

     

    * *Contact the House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer*, via phone:

    202.225.3130, or email:

    www.majorityleader.gov/email_and_rss/email_the_leader/

    <http://www.majorityleader.gov/email_and_rss/email_the_leader/>.

     

     

     

    * *Contact the House Republican Leader John Boehner*, via phone:

    (202) 225-4000, fax: (202) 225-5117, or email:

    http://republicanleader.house.gov/Contact/.

     

     

     

    *On March 11th Congress will hold its first hearing in many years on the

    National Animal Identification System (NAIS)*, conducted by the

    Livestock, Dairy and Poultry Subcommittee. It is vitally important you

    contact all the committees below.

     

    * *Contact the Livestock, Dairy and Poultry Subcommittee members*

    listed below. If one of the Subcommittee members is from your

    state, call that member.

     

    Mike Rogers (R-AL)

    Phone: 202-225-3261

    Fax: 202-226-8485

     

    Dennis Cardoza (D-CA)

    Phone: 202-225-6131

    Fax: 202-225-0819

     

    Jim Costa (D-CA)

    Phone: 202-225-3341

    Fax: 202-225-9308

     

    Joe Baca (D-CA)

    Phone: 202-225-6161

    Fax: 202-225-8671

     

    Betsy Markey (D-CO)

    Phone: 202-225-4676

    Fax: 202-225-5870

     

    David Scott (Chair), (D-GA)

    Phone: 202-225-2939

    Fax: 202-225-4628

     

    Leonard Boswell (D-IA)

    Phone: 202-225-3806

    Fax: 202-225-5608

     

    Steve King (R-IA)

    Phone: 202-225-4426

    Fax: 202-225-3193

     

    Walt Minnick (D-ID)

    Phone: 202-225-6611

    Fax: 202-225-3029

     

    Frank Kratovil, Jr. (D-MD)

    Phone: 202-225-5311

    Fax: 202-225-0254

     

    Adrian Smith (R-NE)

    Phone: 202-225-6435

    Fax: 202-225-0207

     

    Tim Holden (D-PA)

    Phone: 202-225-5546

    Fax: 202-226-0996

     

    David P. Roe (R-TN)

    Phone: 202-225-6356

    Fax: 202-225-5714

     

    K. Michael Conaway (R-TX)

    Phone: 202-225-3605 or 866-882-381

    Fax: 202-225-1783

     

    Randy Neugebauer, Ranking Minority Member (R-TX)

    Phone: 202-225-4005 or 888-763-1611

    Fax: 202-225-9615

     

    Bob Goodlatte (R-VA)

    Phone: 202-225-5431

    Fax: 202-225-9681

     

    Steve Kagen (D-WI)

    Phone: 202-225-5665

    Fax: 202-225-5729

     

    * *Contact your own Representative* and ask him or her to approach

    the Subcommittee member to urge them to oppose NAIS.

     

     

    If you're not sure who represents you, click here: www.congress.org/

    <http://www.congress.org/>.

     

    *We strongly recommend that you make at least your initial contact by

    telephone.*

     

    Additionally, H.R. 875 has been assigned to the committees on Energy and

    Commerce, and Agriculture.

     

    * *Contact members of the Energy and Commerce Committee* via phone:

    (202) 225-2927, or email:

    http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_

    content&task=view&id=1313&Itemid=1

    <http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1313&Itemid=1>.

     

     

    * *Contact members of the Agriculture Committee* via phone:

    202-225-2171, fax: 202-225-8510, or email:

    agriculture@mail.house.gov <mailto:agriculture@mail.house.gov>.

    Committee members are listed here:

    http://agriculture.house.gov/inside/members.html.

     

     

    *Make as many contacts as possible. /_Be polite, but firm._/ *

     

    * *Tell them Americans will not stand for this unwarranted and

    unconstitutional abrogation of our liberty!*

     

    * *Tell them _THIS BILL NEEDS TO DIE IN COMMITTEE_!!!*

     

    Visit the American Policy Center website <http://www.americanpolicy.org/>

     

     

     

     

    *

    Saline Is A Joke!!!

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted · Edited by boatbaby

    am I reading this right, you have line senority??

     

    Each line/department (panel, console, door, etc.) in production has its own seniority and you can bump for shift preference. When bumping area or wall-to-wall, your are bumping out of your department/line to another dept or line in the plant. To make it clear, if you are on the F150 panel line and want to bump to another shift, you would bump a person with lower seniority on the shift of your preference. If there is nobody with lower seniority on the shift of your preference working on the F150 panel line, you can put in a wall-to-wall or area bump and you would bump someone with lower seniority, say on the Focus Door line with lower seniority who is working on your shift of preference. I hope this clears things up a little. Oh and by the way, each individual car line (F150, Focus, Econoline, Taurus, etc) is a seperate dept/line.

    From the paper

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    Okay, I understand all about "Right to Work" and paying dues and all that goes along with a closed shop. But from what little I know about this bill, I am guessing that with the "card check" there is no open vote? And therefore people will be more likely to vote for the union? Am I right? I could see where this would give the unions a better chance of organizing, and I wouldn't take the threat of packing up shop and moving to another state very seriously. Heck, many of these companies are having a hard time trying to stay viable now. Besides, this would be in every state anyway right? And another thing...don't you want your business in the general vicinity of your customers, so if auto are dominantly in Michigan, you stay in Michigan or pay the price to ship, because the autos aren't going to pay more for their parts. Am I on the right track here?

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