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I heard there will 99' seniority coming in week of 26th.

You can go to page 3 and read the post "Government Control". This is the bill that wants to control growing and canning food.

The timing of the election is dictated by the constitution, you can't just change the date. Our election is this May and you have to be a dues paying member in good standing at the local for one year before you can be nominated for a position in the union. This is also dictated by the constitution.

I read in the paper that the new vehicle has to be "assembled" in America. That would include imports that have assembly plants here, wouldn't it? I would rather see it say "one of the Detroit 3". If it said one of the big three, that could mean GM, Ford or Toyota....

I talked with Pete today, he said we will be getting people on the 23rd and 30th. Somewhere between 20 and 40 people both weeks, could be more. It depends on when plants let people go. Some are holding them, waiting for replacements. We heard from someone today who works at Wayne, he got a call this afternoon telling him to report to Saline on Monday. If you are coming, be prepared for short work week. Most of the plant is laid off, so you might get two or three days orientation/safety training and then be laid off. Someone needs to do something to get cars selling again. Maybe they will go ahead with the program that gives people vouchers for turning in old cars. Hopefully that means they are buying new cars and American new cars to boot.

I hear there will be nobody coming in next week due to so many lines down.

Where does it end???????

This is our fourth week, first week=50, second week=35, third week=50, this week=35. I am not sure if there is a delay for the next couple of weeks. Would make sense though. The plant is very quiet this week due to TLO's and next week they are adding the F150 lines to the TLO. It will be a graveyard in there next week. Don't know how long they are off for either. Hope this info helps

Okay, maybe the site I got it from copied it from the American Policy site. This is the first time I have seen the American Policy site. I will keep it in mind from now on though, thank you

Back a few years when rules were more relaxed. Union people were know to go out and sit at the bar(or wherever) and brag about getting paid while they are there. Not all of them did this of course, but enough. I knew a guy that worked for GM. He would go to work, punch in, turn around and walk out, to sit in the bar all day long and tell everyone he was doing this. Now people who have to go to work everyday and stay there in order to get paid, would be a little upset. And then you get the media saying we make $75 per hour. So they are thinking we make this money to do nothing. My brother-in-law is a doctor. He gets patients who are sitting in Gen, when they tell him they get paid good money to sit home, or sit somewhere playing cards all day just waiting for a job to come along, he really doesn't understand the whole concept. And then these people watch the media coverage on strikes, people think we are out there demanding more money. Step outside the union and look back in. We have given the wrong impression. Don't go around telling people what you make, it only upsets them and they think autos are so expensive because of our wages (that we don't earn of course). Oh and then lump all those benefits on top of it. People out there ask questions like...what make you think you are entitled to be taken care of for the rest of your life, just because you worked for a company for 30 years? Why do union people get free legal when the rest of the people have to pay out there nose for this service? (They don't know how bad our legal is) And so on, and so on... We should be educating the public on how the union has won so many things for the betterment of society. It isn't obvious to them anymore. Working conditions in every industry are better and the companies do this just to keep the union out. The public just doesn't understand where they and we have come from and how much good the union has done for everyone. We really need to find a way to educate them, but I think at this point they will just think we are trying to justify.

Why aren't the union reps helping this guy out, are listening to the utility guy? What happened to "getting the facts". The union should be there giving the proper advice... Go to labor, file a complaint...Where's the representation?

We have gotten 135 people in the last three weeks. Another 35 is coming in this week. I don't know the cut of seniority for this week. Last week we got 93's. You will like Saline, great place to work, nice people for the most part, even the worst job is better than assy. We are one of the plants that is called the "country club". Welcome to the "club"

I agree 100%!!!!!

Those are some pretty eye opening pictures. It could happen to any of us. God Bless us all.

I did not get this post from the American Policy center website. And I looked over the bill in your link, I don't see anything that it telling me any different than what I originally posted. I put this out there to inform people, there are many people who grow there own vegetables and I have friends that own small farms that this would affect. Nothing wrong with informing people. I don't like how the Government is taking over so many aspects of our life.

I heard that some people may be working (probably trades) the first week of July but that the week in August is a black out. We at Saline supply many different plants, Dearborn, Wayne, Kentucky, Chicago, Kansas City etc. We can't be in a black out situation if all the plants are not going down at once.

So now they want to control our food. What will they want control of next?

I am hearing Weeks of June 29 and August 17. Is this what everyone else is hearing?

I have heard rumors of an April shut down. Are you talking about Easter weekend?

Thanks. I worked for a company where the UAW tried to organize. One of the workers (company favorite, patsy) did all he could to get no votes. The company threatened to close shop and move overseas. Car windows were broken, tires were slashed. People at first liked what the union had to say, wanted the union. The company scared them all off. The vote went down. Funny part is though, that guy that helped the company get the no vote, his position was done away with afterwards and he lost is job. What a way to thank him for being to loyal to the company. I am UNION all the way and very proud of it.

United States Representative Rosa DeLauro (D-CT) has proposed legislation, *H.R. 875*, which *would literally prohibit Americans from raising food* for themselves, their families, or *even for their animals*, without the */uber alles/ national government's permission!* Extreme statement? NOT! *H.R. 875 makes Americans serfs on their own land!* Read on; this one bill could wipe the United States, /as a free nation/, from the face of the Earth! *We urgently need your help to kill this extremely dangerous bill!* *H.R. 875, the so-called Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009 (FSMA)* sounds innocent enough at first blush, with language purporting to "protect the public health by preventing food-borne illness, ensuring the safety of food, improving research on contaminants leading to food-borne illness, and improving security of food from intentional contamination, and for other purposes." In reality, *the FSMA is an extensive and all-controlling abomination that must be stopped!* The *FSMA mandates registration* of every "food production facility," which the bill defines as *"any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation;" and every* "food establishment," which the bill defines as "a slaughterhouse..., factory, warehouse, *or facility owned or operated by a person located in any State that processes food or a facility that holds, stores, or transports food or food ingredients."* *H.R. 875 makes NAIS look tame.* This bill will not just sweep up commercial food operations. The fine print of the FSMA will subject hobby gardeners, home canners, anyone with a few chickens, or anyone who "holds, stores, or transports food" - including mushrooms or wild berries gathered in the wild - to registration, extensive management, and inspection by a huge new bureaucracy, the Food Safety Administration (FSA)- even if the food items will only be consumed personally. And registration must be via "an electronic portal," which will be costly and difficult for those without computers. *H.R. 875 exponentially advances the "Foodborne Disease Surveillance Systems" required of member states of the World Health Organization (WHO)*, which includes the United States. "Food establishments" will be required to adopt preventive process controls, *including implementing recordkeeping and labeling of all food and food ingredients to facilitate their identification and traceability, /including instructions for handling and preparation for consumption./* This might sound rather reasonable... until you remember the definition of a "food establishment" above. Immensely telling of how seriously this bill */does not/* take "food safety," though, is Section 204(2)©, which promises the Administrator will identify the "5 most significant (food) contaminants", and */"not later than 3 years after a contaminant is so identified/*, the Administrator shall promulgate a performance standard..." Gee whiz, what's the rush? Perhaps *the Administrator's promulgation timetable has little to do with acting quickly and decisively to protect U.S. citizens* (or even "*/all people/* in the United States" as required by the FSMA) and much, much more to do with the World Health Organization's stated desire in its 2004 report entitled *_"FOODBORNE DISEASE MONITORING AND SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS"_* that "the objectives and strategies (of food borne disease surveillance systems) established by each country should be */acceptable to all member countries/* (www.fao.org/docrep/meeting/006/j2381e.htm) <http://www.fao.org/docrep/meeting/006/j2381e.htm>," which doubtless would take time. Perhaps it is because *"studies linking pathogens in food to the disease in humans would help quantify the risk of food borne diseases."* In other words, *no entity*, not the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and not the WHO, *can prove a significant problem /_exists in the United States._/* The FSMA will not even quickly implement protections for Americans from contaminated foreign foodstuffs. The bill states, "(n)ot later than *2 years* after the date of the enactment of this Act" imported food products shall be certified safe "by the accredited foreign government (think CHINA!) or by an accredited certifying agent..." Again, what's the rush? Maddeningly, the *FSMA expects Congress to again approve a far-reaching bill without knowing the details.* In this case, Congress will find out much later: * what federal resources would be dedicated to foodborne illness and food safety research; * what transfer of agencies, personnel, assets, obligations, and consolidation, reorganization, or streamlining of agencies will be involved; and * the details of regulations the new Food Czar (Administrator of the FSA) will promulgate after enactment of the Act. Among the statutory foundations the FSMA claims for guidance and authority is the *National Animal Identification System*, which *HAS NEVER BEEN ENACTED INTO LAW BY CONGRESS!* But beyond the *mandated violations of our civil liberties* in the FSMA - registration, traceability, inspections, seizures, etc. (all without court orders or search warrants), - *the truly chilling language lays out civil and criminal penalties of up to $1 million per day, per infraction, and imprisonment of five or ten years, or both, depending how serious the violation(s).* Additionally, "(a)n order assessing a civil penalty against a person... *_shall be a final order_* unless the person-- (A) not later than 30 days after the effective date of the order, files a petition for judicial review of the order in the United States court of appeals... (and) (t)he findings of the Administrator relating to the order shall be set aside *only if found to be unsupported by /substantial evidence on the record as a whole./"* The FSMA is so over-the-top in its overreach that the bill's language states, *"(t)he validity and appropriateness of the order of the Administrator assessing the civil penalty _shall not be subject to judicial review_."* And if you're by now thinking this is about as outrageous as this bill can be, you'd be very wrong. Section 406 clearly states, *"(i)n any action to enforce the requirements of the food safety law, the connection with interstate commerce /_required for jurisdiction_/ SHALL BE PRESUMED TO EXIST."* Now, for those who noticed, and questioned, why "foodborne" is spelled as if we reside "on the Continent," and why the United States government is attempting to implement a "solution" wanting for a "problem" - you guessed it - *"Foodborne Disease Monitoring and Surveillance Systems" are a priority with the World Health Organization*, to which our national government has committed US through its membership. The 53rd World Health Assembly (a branch of the WHO) in the year 2000 adopted a resolution to recognize food safety as an essential public health function and called for the development of a *Global Strategy* for reduction of the burden of food borne diseases. The resolution (WHA 53.15) encouraged member states "to implement and keep national, and when appropriate, regional mechanisms for food borne diseases surveillance." All this, despite the WHO admission in a 2004 report (www.fao.org/docrep/meeting/006/j2381e.htm) <http://www.fao.org/docrep/meeting/006/j2381e.htm> that *"(t)he true dimension of the burden of food borne diseases is still unknown..."* *The FSMA is a "government solution" in seek of a problem!* In the year 1900 at least some cases in two of the ten leading causes of death might have been food related (diarrhea/enteritis, liver disease). But the twin leading causes were pneumonia, followed closely by tuberculosis. In 2002, WHO listed the leading cause of death in the U.S. (www.who.int/whosis/mort/profiles/mort_amro_usa_ unitedstatesofamerica.pdf) <http://www.who.int/whosis/mort/profiles/mort_amro_usa_unitedstatesofamerica.pdf> as ischaemic heart disease, killing ~ 514,000 people. The second greatest cause was cerebrovascular disease (stroke), killing ~ 163,000. *None of the top ten causes bore any relation to foodborne illness.* In apparent support of all this brazen, strong-arm command and control attempt, the CDC reports its */estimate/* that every year in the United States sees approximately 76 million cases of foodborne illness (www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/meat/safe/foodborne.html) <http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/meat/safe/foodborne.html>, with 325,000 hospitalizations and 5,000 deaths (which equates to one death out of every 15,200 who become ill). Admittedly those 5,000 deaths are significant, and devastating to all those involved, but this figure must be put in perspective. We must consider the larger picture long before we even consider such draconian measures as those mandated by the FSMA. Perhaps too little is known of reports that *"iatrogenic events"* - medical errors - *kill almost 800,000 in the U.S. each year* (www.whale.to/a/null9.html#Underreporting_of_Iatrogenic_Events_) <http://www.whale.to/a/null9.html#Underreporting_of_Iatrogenic_Events_>. That's the equivalent of six jumbo jets falling out the sky each and every day. Those who track these events believe as few as 5% and no more than 20% of these deaths are ever reported. Clearly deaths resulting from foodborne disease are exponentially lower than these other major causes, which begs an obvious question: *If Congress is so very concerned about our health, why haven't they felt inclined to tackle the much more significant incidence of iatrogenic deaths in this nation?* Hmmm? One need only consider the "Healthy People 2010" goals (www.healthypeople.gov/About/goals.htm) <http://www.healthypeople.gov/About/goals.htm> to understand the true (A)genda behind this initiative. *_ACTION TO TAKE_* *The FSMA is an extremely dangerous bill. /We recommend a multi-prong attack/*, as the more salvos we throw at the FSMA the better chance we have of killing this abomination. * *Contact House Speaker Nancy Pelosi*, via phone: (202) 225-0100, or email: http://speaker.house.gov/contact/. * *Contact the House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer*, via phone: 202.225.3130, or email: www.majorityleader.gov/email_and_rss/email_the_leader/ <http://www.majorityleader.gov/email_and_rss/email_the_leader/>. * *Contact the House Republican Leader John Boehner*, via phone: (202) 225-4000, fax: (202) 225-5117, or email: http://republicanleader.house.gov/Contact/. *On March 11th Congress will hold its first hearing in many years on the National Animal Identification System (NAIS)*, conducted by the Livestock, Dairy and Poultry Subcommittee. It is vitally important you contact all the committees below. * *Contact the Livestock, Dairy and Poultry Subcommittee members* listed below. If one of the Subcommittee members is from your state, call that member. Mike Rogers (R-AL) Phone: 202-225-3261 Fax: 202-226-8485 Dennis Cardoza (D-CA) Phone: 202-225-6131 Fax: 202-225-0819 Jim Costa (D-CA) Phone: 202-225-3341 Fax: 202-225-9308 Joe Baca (D-CA) Phone: 202-225-6161 Fax: 202-225-8671 Betsy Markey (D-CO) Phone: 202-225-4676 Fax: 202-225-5870 David Scott (Chair), (D-GA) Phone: 202-225-2939 Fax: 202-225-4628 Leonard Boswell (D-IA) Phone: 202-225-3806 Fax: 202-225-5608 Steve King (R-IA) Phone: 202-225-4426 Fax: 202-225-3193 Walt Minnick (D-ID) Phone: 202-225-6611 Fax: 202-225-3029 Frank Kratovil, Jr. (D-MD) Phone: 202-225-5311 Fax: 202-225-0254 Adrian Smith (R-NE) Phone: 202-225-6435 Fax: 202-225-0207 Tim Holden (D-PA) Phone: 202-225-5546 Fax: 202-226-0996 David P. Roe (R-TN) Phone: 202-225-6356 Fax: 202-225-5714 K. Michael Conaway (R-TX) Phone: 202-225-3605 or 866-882-381 Fax: 202-225-1783 Randy Neugebauer, Ranking Minority Member (R-TX) Phone: 202-225-4005 or 888-763-1611 Fax: 202-225-9615 Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) Phone: 202-225-5431 Fax: 202-225-9681 Steve Kagen (D-WI) Phone: 202-225-5665 Fax: 202-225-5729 * *Contact your own Representative* and ask him or her to approach the Subcommittee member to urge them to oppose NAIS. If you're not sure who represents you, click here: www.congress.org/ <http://www.congress.org/>. *We strongly recommend that you make at least your initial contact by telephone.* Additionally, H.R. 875 has been assigned to the committees on Energy and Commerce, and Agriculture. * *Contact members of the Energy and Commerce Committee* via phone: (202) 225-2927, or email: http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_ content&task=view&id=1313&Itemid=1 <http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1313&Itemid=1>. * *Contact members of the Agriculture Committee* via phone: 202-225-2171, fax: 202-225-8510, or email: agriculture@mail.house.gov <mailto:agriculture@mail.house.gov>. Committee members are listed here: http://agriculture.house.gov/inside/members.html. *Make as many contacts as possible. /_Be polite, but firm._/ * * *Tell them Americans will not stand for this unwarranted and unconstitutional abrogation of our liberty!* * *Tell them _THIS BILL NEEDS TO DIE IN COMMITTEE_!!!* Visit the American Policy Center website <http://www.americanpolicy.org/> *

Could you be a little clearer on this?

Each line/department (panel, console, door, etc.) in production has its own seniority and you can bump for shift preference. When bumping area or wall-to-wall, your are bumping out of your department/line to another dept or line in the plant. To make it clear, if you are on the F150 panel line and want to bump to another shift, you would bump a person with lower seniority on the shift of your preference. If there is nobody with lower seniority on the shift of your preference working on the F150 panel line, you can put in a wall-to-wall or area bump and you would bump someone with lower seniority, say on the Focus Door line with lower seniority who is working on your shift of preference. I hope this clears things up a little. Oh and by the way, each individual car line (F150, Focus, Econoline, Taurus, etc) is a seperate dept/line.

Okay, I understand all about "Right to Work" and paying dues and all that goes along with a closed shop. But from what little I know about this bill, I am guessing that with the "card check" there is no open vote? And therefore people will be more likely to vote for the union? Am I right? I could see where this would give the unions a better chance of organizing, and I wouldn't take the threat of packing up shop and moving to another state very seriously. Heck, many of these companies are having a hard time trying to stay viable now. Besides, this would be in every state anyway right? And another thing...don't you want your business in the general vicinity of your customers, so if auto are dominantly in Michigan, you stay in Michigan or pay the price to ship, because the autos aren't going to pay more for their parts. Am I on the right track here?

We just bought an F350 Diesel last fall, love it. Trying to do our part. I am driving a 2006 Ford, still going strong. Will always buy Ford.