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Glass Division has not had the opportunity to go to KCAP yet, they are currently being given the opportunity to sign up to go.

If this offer is out there, we missed the boat in Glass Division.

This could be so, but Ford told us in 2001 there would never be another round at our facility, and it takes two hands to count them now.

What plant are you and your friends from? Any idea who goes the quickest trip to Kansas City, ACH who choose to go there, ACH who sign for their preferred flowback location {JSP}, or those who have been off for a year or so?

Same here.

Anyone heard it would only be 3 years back and you might have to be 50 to qualify?

I have been told you are correct. Any estimates on how long someone with 20 years seniority would be in JSP before an offer is made? Just looking to stay in the Louisville area or farther south.

Thanks for the welcome. We have heard 3 different figures on the number of temps there.

I hope I did misunderstand but if I did, everyone I work with also misunderstood this. We were told today Kansas City and Chicago offers would be coming immediately after the signup. We were definitely told by the IUAW rep that if we turned these 2 offers down we would loose our monies and benefits. I specifically asked this question after the informational meeting and was told this again. Do you think we don't work here? Not looking for a gravy job, just something closer than 500 or 600 miles from home until we can retire. A lot of people are in the same boat. Some plan to move and some plan to return home on weekends as we have a lot of people close to retirement. I have been told the IUAW reps will not return before we have to make a choice. I have made a call to one and will see if it is returned.

The IUAW reps told us we could turn these two plants down but then we would go to the bottom of the list with no monies of any kind coming in and no benefits if we did this. I would prefer to wait it out. I have 20 years seniority with 25 retirement credits. Again we have been told we have sign up by Feb 29 and will be placed immediately, before the nationwide buyouts end. We would then be assigned a location and report for work in 30 days without any other locations being made available as the nationwide buyouts progress. Many in our plant would prefer Kentucky plants, parts depots, engine or transmission plants closer to home.

We were told we would have two choices, Kansas City and Chicago. Were told there were about 1000 temps in Kansas City that we would be replacing if we went. Looks as though the new buyouts will change everything but we are still being told these are our only choices. It would appear you could wait for a new opening but this is not an option with us. There will be new openings in other places before we even get to KCAP or CAP. We were told the moves would start April 1, but we were also told that whatever the membership voted to do the first time would be honored so who knows.

You have said before you are a temp. If this is true how have you been voting in UAW elections for 30 years? We have people at our plant that came from Michigan and want to go back there. The only plants being offered to them are Kansas City and Chicago. Good thing about United States is everyone is entitled to an opinion, even you. It does affect me. I don't want to retire as I have a 10 year old child at home with severe insurance needs, therefore I can't take the 7 and 7 because of poor excuse for an insurance policy offered by Zeledyne. In other post you seem to lead others to believe you are a union rep. If you are you are a poor excuse for one. Stay where you are.

You have got to be bi-polar. Go back and read what you posted, before you edit it.

Do you always take this attitude with those who disagree with the Almighty Pirate? You say the UAW begged to get us another vote. At our informational meeting the rep assured us this vote would stand, the wishes of the membership would be granted, and they would do nothing to try and force this through if the membership voted no. Are you trying to say now they are doing us a favor. Again, we don't need a bunch of temps to tell us how to vote when we have been voting for over 30 years with our own minds. Your the temp. Seems you are worried. I learned a long time ago not to worry. New opportunities will arise.

Don't know about the NGP union pres going to nat. UAW. The contract was passed at the informational meetings thru the week and then the vote was Friday and Saturday. I wonder if it gets close to passing in Tulsa if they will come back and get NGP to vote again if they are a few votes short for the total needed to pass it? Looks as if both plants would be voting again at the same time.

So, are you saying there will not be restoration of credits at this time or for the currrent buyouts, for the folks that missed the opportunity to transfer back in the eighties. Some of these people missed this because of a few weeks seniority and now have 12 or 13 missing credits while others had all of them restored.

There are a lot of variances on time in these years. At our plant we have people hired in 77, laid off in 79, called back in 89, laid of in 89, and called back in 93 with only about 18 creditable service years. We have others hired in 77 and laid off in 79 who had the opportunity to transfer to other places and now have retired with 30 years service. I don't know about the Rouge. This was in one of the contracts in the eighties. I can't remember exactly which contract.

Who pushed for the second vote in Tulsa. In our meetings the IUAW rep was asked if the they would try to get it passed if we voted it down. He replied "no".

If you disagree with any of the above statements, it is a clear picture of who is stupid. If you want to go, then go. Let the others be. I guess we will see if the majority still stands after the IUAW tries again to get this passed in Tulsa. In Nashville the question was asked "would the international try to get this passed if it was voted down". The reply from the IUAW rep was "no, the vote will stand, if it is voted down they would not try anything else to get it passed."

This was negotiated in the first contract of the eighties. I don't remember which year it was. The cutoff date [seniority date] for being eligible to transfer and keep your time was May 31,1977. Anyone hired after this date was ineligible. There was also a cutoff date in March 77 that you automatically kept your time. The people who took the transfer were to keep their seniority. No one else that hired in between these two dates was to keep their time unless they transfered. A difference of May 31, 1977 seniority and June 1, 1977 can now mean a difference of 5 or 10 retirement credits. In addition to this people who went to work for Ford in 78 who transfered in to a plant have retired now and some workers at the same plant only have 20 retirement credits and due to other layoffs 14 or 15 years seniority. It seems a date was pulled out of thin air after everyone was laid off to determine these eligibilities.

As I said enjoy it while it still means something [pay and benefits]. The IUAW reps are supposed to present the facts. NOT TELL YOU WHICH WAY TO VOTE. I can tell you HOW IT WAS now. In years past members voted and the membership backed the results of the vote.

Wrong again.

You are missing 2 small details. 1. The Ford employees have more seniority, which still has an impact before the Zeledyne deal happens. 2. Temps are just what the word emplies. Why would the Ford employees move on if the deal does not take effect? The company would like to turn this into a blue vs temps, or temps vs blues fight. Don't side with the company and let this happen. Surely you are smarter than that.

Thanks, "UNION BROTHER". I'll pass you can take mine anyway you want as you would probably enjoy it. I usually don't respond to your post because you seem to just be a cheerleader for Wake and Pirate [do you wear a skirt] but as this is directed to me I did. Now enjoy being a union member before it is too late.

Come on, give it a break, Pirate. It's getting stale, all of the temps trying to talk the 10, 15, 20 and even 30 year employees into voting to cut their pay in half. The temps, extremely low seniority and a few of the others may vote for this, but the rest never will. What I don't understand is what part of "temporary" do some people not understand.