RockofCashel

So the minority, trades, should be able to control the destiny of the majority? Ummm, do you know how a union is supposed to work? Also, fuck the trades. Most of them sit around and whine that they're under paid and overworked.

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You know what I am referring too. I do agree though, I don't like how the President is "elected".

It's a democracy, so fuck off.

Walkowicz can suck my ass. All his rhetoric is b.s. The Westside has been doing everything within its power to keep Eastside brothers and sisters laid off. Why the hell are there TPT working and no jobs offered to the people laid off from Romeo? This guy is no better than any other elected official.

I'm hoping for an Aspire!

You people are retarded.

theTRUTHhurts? How about the lies hurt? This did not happen period. It's nothing but a plant floor rumor. I'm no fan of Randy or Bob, but b.s. like this hurts THE ENTIRE MEMBERSHIP.

You're using politicians as your source of information and I need to do research? Look, taking out Hussein was a good thing from a moral standpoint, but Iraq never was never a threat. An American getting killed in the Middle East does not count as a threat either. I am talking about threats to our nation directly. Foreign officers know the risks they are taking by going into certain areas of the world. The people who went to work on September 11th, 2001 were killed by terroritsts, not Iraq. Bush should've taken a page from Reagan while dealing with the Middle East: keep them fighting each other. That way they'll leave us alone and the price of oil will stay down. Invading Iraq just gave the Middle East a common enemy, us.

It clearly states that we cannot strike on wage and benefit IMPROVEMENTS. That means if we think we deserve more, it will go to arbitration. If they want to CUT our pay, we do get to VOTE on it and we CAN strike. I'm not trying to be a dick and I don't like the fact that we are voting for the 3rd time on this contract, but I am sick and tired of all the negative crap flying around. To date, NOT ONE SINGLE NEGATIVE RUMOUR HAS COME TRUE!. Granted, it doesn't bode well for the future, but neither did the concessions of the 80's. All those people who took hits in the 80's made a lot of money in the 90's because the industry turned around. If the industry doesn't turn around, we're screwed anyway. If things do get better, based on history, we will profit from it. Vote how ever you want to vote, but read the paperwork and ask questions, don't just pick out one line and start screaming our pay is going to get cut. Try reading a newspaper also to gauge where the industry is at. Lastly, liquidspine, this isn't directed at you, I just picked your post to respond to.

You're wrong. That would be a pay cut from the current contract in which case we could strike. Besides, we'd still have to vote on it as a membership.

How is that an attitude? It's a fact. We don't make the decisions, we just build what they put in front of us. If our behavior affects their decisions, then shame on them. I know there are people who don't take their jobs seriously, but as a whole the union component of Ford Motor Company is fairly competent. The problem is that one bad salaried worker has more of an impact than one bad union worker. It comes down to responsibility. As a salaried worker, your decisions are more far reaching than a union worker's typically are. Once both sides realize that each is necessary to run the business, things will start to improve. Unfortunately there is a lack of respect from the salaried side for the union side because of the idiots we have and vice-vice versa.

Yeah, then they fired the smart ones in the first round of salaried buyouts to protect their own asses. We got left with the retards.

Just remember people, it was college educated people who got our company and country into the mess we are currently in.

The smoking thing is a county law, the other issues I can't disagree with you, but who do you think would make a good chairman? Hind site being 20/20, bring back Weston.

One year, eight months until next election. Who are our other options?

From a moral standpoint, his behavior was not ok, but it's his life. From what I understand though, he was flying to South America supposedly for work related reasons, so the state paid. I think people would've become suspicious a lot earlier if he just kept flying there for fun.

Sanford should step down because he had his affair at the expense of the South Carolina budget. He abused his position. Edwards is an adulterer, but unless something new comes up, the United States didn't pay for it. Screwing around on your spouse isn't a betrayel of the public trust, but making your constituents pay for you to fly to South America is.

Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) ART. 88 - CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct. Secretary of Transportation? Go figure..........

What? A 48 year old raising a family should easily be able to afford to live off of retirement (about 40% less than 40 hours) and the continual threat of losing benefits. People really need to look at the bigger picture. It's selfishness that got us into this position, now it's time to stick together.

You created the wall. Basically, you don't care about the higher seniority people who have been displaced FROM THEIR ENTIRE PLANT. I'm sorry that you with you 10 years isn't as protected as some person with 30 years. Grow up asshole, it always has been and always will be about seniority. It's about protecting your members based on the years they have paid dues. If you don't like it, take the next buyout. Everyone has seen this coming, yet still the whining continues.

OK, you go first. I'll be right behind you.

National seniority is pretty much what I think they would go for. They're not going to want a guy with 25 years on layoff/JSP while someone with 8 is still working. That would explain why there hasn't been any inverse seniority layoffs and that would be why they want to expand plants, get everyone placed by seniority, the layoff again.

Here's a scarry thought. Van Dyke keeps bringing people in when they don't need them, Romeo will start the 3rd shift back up by middle of Jan. All the higher seniority people on lay off or JSP will be placed at these two and other plants. After no more than 2 months, plants will lay off again, this time all low seniority, under ten is my guess, will be laid off. Contract will be reopened, JSP will be dropped or reworded, big checks handed out to pass vote. People will exhaust layoff and be shit out of luck come no later than next Sep. There could possibly (probably) be a large check for buydowns included also. Just my two cents, but company can't afford to keep paying people to sit at home for two years. JSP may be funded, but they could use that money somewhere else.