The Outrage
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Why does it matter if the dash layout is similar to the Edge and Explorer? It's not as though the majority of Flex owners also own an Edge and Explorer as well.
I would choose an Explorer over a Flex right now based specifically on the Flex's older, inferior quality, interior. The same was true of the Edge's 2011 interior updates. I hadn't considered the 2010 and earlier Edge specifically because of its lackluster interior. I think the Flex's interior update, which mimics Ford's current across-the-board improvements, can only help the vehicle's sales.
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I think the problem may be different than some are thinking.
The Boss 302 is certified with the stock calibration. When you use the Track Key, the emissions are not as clean as with the stock calibration. I think this is where CARB has a problem. You cannot use a modification that creates more pollutants than the vehicle does stock.
Noone has said that the Track Key version will not pass emissions regulations. It just isn't as clean as stock.
Thus, certifying it with the Track Key callibration could work.
That was my take as well.
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Why not certify the vehicle with the "track" tune and make the "street" detuning optional? Isn't this akin to BMW's M5 engine calibration? It makes 400 or 500 horsepower depending on the mode it is in.
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I think it has primarily been the industry insiders which have had a problem with this advertisement. That is to say, those who have a vested interest in brushing aside the financial failures of Chrysler and General Motors. I haven't heard anything negative concerning this ad from anyone else. The fact that Ford pulled the spot seems fairly spineless. Given the fact that all of the previous "Drive One" commercials have saturated the television channels for long periods of time I'm not buying their latest narrative that this commercial's cycle has naturally come to an end. Like it or not, the politics of the Chrysler and General Motors bailout has, and will continue to, affect consumer buying habits. Despite this, it seems as though the topic is considered taboo within the industry.
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Falcon, RWD, Capri was RWD, if they want to build a small RWD sports car then I'm all for the Capri name... if FWD then name it something else.
Selective memory?
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Automatic transmission programming for light acceleration (common in EPA test cycles, designed for slow accelerating 1970s cars). If you normally don't accelerate that slowly, it may have no effect on your actual fuel economy.
Lowering the weight to get under the threshold for the next 250 pound weight class. If a vehicle is at the bottom of the weight class, dropping just a few pounds may make it "250 pounds lighter" for EPA test purposes, even though the difference is much smaller in real life.
The EPA changed their testing methodology for the 2008 model year.
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To me Hyundai is gaming the EPA tests, they are programming the ECU to maximize economy on the EPA Cycle.
while Ford and GM have programmed the ECU to maximize Economy through out the entire driving range.
You mean like using a first to fourth skip shift feature on the manual Mustang GT and Camaro SS to avoid the Gas Guzzler Tax?
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Ford beats the Hyundai in government tests in the UK.
Gasoline
Hyundai Elantra 1.6 Auto (£15,850) $25,963
Averages 40.9 MPG (34 US MPG)
Extra Urban 47.9 MPG (39.8 US MPG)
Ford Focus 1.6 Ecoboost (£19,750) $32,352
Averages 47.1 MPG (39.2 US MPG)
Extra Urban 56.5 MPG (47 US MPG)
The Ford Focus is sold with a 2.0 liter gasoline engine in the United States. The Hyundai Elantra is sold with a 1.8 liter gasoline engine in the United States. Those engines do not correspond to any results you have listed.
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I also think that the car and driver head to head showed a pretty large disparity in favor of the focus.
My 5 speed focus is averaging 30 mpg, and i don't drive it easy at all. On flat ground leaving ocean city I actually averaged 43.5 mpg for a 200 mile stretch, between 55 and 65 mph. I am easily beating the epa, bet you the elantra doesn't do that.
Your claimed average of 30 MPG precisely matches the EPA combined fuel mileage estimate for a manual Focus SE.
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That only proves that the Focus is more fuel efficient at a steady-state 45 MPH. If Ford contends that the EPA figures are useless, so is a steady-state 45 MPH rating derived on a racetrack.
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So the question is...who is the Explorer's intended customer base?
People who actually buy cars.
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Interesting. The Baja Raptor used the Raptor body and a race EcoBoost. The current EB has the same amount of torque as the Boss 6.2. The Boss will be discontinued long before the EB.
The additional 46 horsepower of the 6.2 liter should not be discounted. It still provides the highest output figures and the most linear power delivery. That's why it is still equipped as standard equipment on all of the top F-150 trim levels. The Raptor is a premium trim level and should be equipped with the engine which provides the highest output levels. The 3.5 liter Ecoboost is currently marketed as a fuel economy option. The Raptor is hardly the right F-150 to purchase if fuel economy is a concern.
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I hate concept previews, HATE them! Why show off idealized versions of the conventional production car when it's bound to lead to disappointment? I'm also very discouraged to see how long it's taking them to get the next sedans to market. A concept car usually means the production car is 12 months from reveal, which pushes that out to 18 months in total (or 2 years from today). So I suspect we won't see the new MKZ on the streets until May 2013, that's going to be a long haul for these not-so-fressh feeling mid-sizers who have all new competition already on the stage.
Concept cars are used to gauge public reaction to a design.
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The Nissan Frontier has a more powerful V6 than the Toyota Tacoma. It also has a full-length boxed ladder frame and four wheel disc brakes on every single trim level.
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In my mind, this is akin to asking why the Mustang Shelby GT500 can't be had with the 3.7 liter V6.
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funny your having probs getting a ford mustang gt. I can go to just about any dealership and buy one off the lot. Maybe people should stop ordering cars and buy the ones that are built sitting in the lots already. Don't you think it's a larger expense on the company to build your car when they have 1 million of them out there just like it sitting on lots! Be serious. People stop ordering your cars and just buy one off the lot. That black stripe or plastic cup holder you want isn't that important.
How is it better for Ford to produce a car they hope will find buyer instead of a car which they know will have a buyer?
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The American automotive industry needs this sort of passion. The "it's good enough" and "don't rock the boat" philosophies almost led the industry to extinction. Competition builds better products, which is great for all consumers.
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I did consider Firestones, but they do not make a T-speed rated tire in 205/60R-16 passenger radial.
You were specifically looking for a low speed rating?
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The pricing has been released. I just placed an order for a 2012 Edge.
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Lincoln doesn't NEED RWD to be successful and sell cars at a profit. I think we would all LIKE to see RWD high performance Lincolns at some point to go head to head with the Germans and hopefully they can do that once they get everything else fixed.
But do you honestly think Lexus LS buyers know or care that it's RWD?
I agree. Sales numbers matter, internet rumblings do not.
According to the sales figures found from this page, the top selling Lexus models are the FWD ES and FWD/AWD RX: http://lexusenthusiast.com/2011/07/01/lexus-june-2011-sales-report/
Also, bear in mind, the RWD IS is available with AWD, which certainly helps to increase its overall sales. The vast majority of BMWs and Mercedes Benz models I see in my region are AWD variants.
There's a huge disconnect between automotive journalists (who do not buy the cars they drive), internet posters (who do not buy the cars they demand), and the general public.
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No it's not, at least not fundamentally. Research has proven that beauty is a universal concept that is informed by principles engrained in nature. Now affection for ugly things is another matter, usually guided by cultural principles that obscure or override instinct. The MKT is a fundamentally flawed design, all humans will instinctually know this...which is to say the designers knew they had created a bad vehicle.
I think the MKT looks great. I don't worry about what the "Internet Collective" has to say when it comes to automotive styling.
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For a 5 seater, the Edge is horribly overweight. Acura RDX/Chevy Equinox are 1200 pounds lighter. CX7 is around 1000 lbs lighter. Just ridiculous.
Edge SEL (AWD): 4,265 lbs.
Similar-sized V6 models:
Highlander Base (AWD): 4,266 lbs.
Murano S (AWD): 4,025 lbs.
Sorento LX (AWD): 4,131 lbs.
Pilot LX (AWD): 4,506 lbs.
MDX (AWD): 4,627 lbs.
Similar-sized I4 / I4T models:
CX-7 (AWD): 4,001 lbs.
Equinox (AWD): 3,786 lbs.
Smaller-sized I4T model:
RDX (AWD): 3,942 lbs.
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I'm still waiting for Ford to release the pricing information to the dealers.
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Compared to an older body-on-frame Explorer, the uni-body MKX has better controlled body motions. There are some individuals which believe exaggerated wallow is the "correct" way to tune a suspension. If someone has a background in luxury-oriented domestic brands from the last few decades, this style will seem completely natural (think 80's and 90's Buicks, Cadillacs, and Lincolns). Personally, I wouldn't consider an Edge or MKX if it had an even softer suspension. A comprehensive test drive should be enough to confirm whether the suspension suits your expectations.
Ford's Door Edge Protector
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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So, now when some clown slams their door into your car they won't damage their own door. Wonderful.