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Hey Longball, glad us guys crack you up. So your saying the iuaw is a corporation, if so, we pay their wages and their retirement that would make us the boss, Only thing is the inmates are running the asylum. I am just making some suggestions and asking some questions. I don't think you like any of them. Why should it just be us, the one's who go to work and bust our asses everyday, why should we keep taking financial hits, while others can vote themselves a raise. If those positions at solidarity house were voted for by the membership nobody there would be re-elected. The iuaw is going to make a ton of money off of the big 3 contracts, maybe they should vote themselves another raise, Everyone knows they earned it. I am still looking for some simple answers to previously asked questions. HOW MUCH MONEY IS NEEDED TO FUND THE VEBA !! Like you Longball, i to am tired of the BS.
Depends on the percentage of medical insurance increases year over year
It depends on the increases that insurance companies tell the Republicans to support up to double digit increases year over year
So to fund the veba to 100% you would have to ensure that the republicans are not getting greased palms from insurance companies and pass the profit cost on to the veba
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Whats funny is there are millions of anti union pukes out there that think it's a fair wage, course I doubt they would still feel that way if it were their wage.
Ah yes!!!
Reflections of 2008 and those strong anti-union Republicans Shelby and Corker both from right to work (for less) states so adamantly testified that our wages, benefits and pension brought down the Auto industry.
So vehemently fought to cut our wages below the poverty wages of Nissan. Fought so hard to put us through bankruptcy so our jobs and pay would be gone forever while their Asian non-union plants get our market share
In the right to work (for less) republican sheeple states and republican lead states will continue to cut our bargaining rights
Look at Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin>>>>>> All republican houses and Governor >>>>>>
You want a busted union, no representation and $12.50 per hour????? Keep voting in these Republicans and we will be there quickly
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Your numbers and percentages don't match.
381+497=878
381/878= 43.6%
497/878= 56.4%
Its Chuckie and he is lying again,,,,,,,,, Sheldon will pass by 70% yes vote.
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A no vote will turn things ugly real quick and it wont be in our best interest
I am equally worried about a lock out and a strike. Two situations that could have devastating negative results. Recent strikes and lock outs have not been favorable to workers and their respective unions. Now is not the time for either.
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CAW watches U.S. auto talks
Canadians at negotiating table in 2012
CBC News Posted: Sep 19, 2011 12:29 PM ET
Canadian Auto Workers president Ken Lewenza is closely watching contract negotiations between the United Auto Workers and General Motors, Chrysler and Ford in the U.S.
Lewenza's attention to the talks comes after GM and the UAW reached a tentative four-year agreement late last week and a few months before his union begins negotiations in Canada.
"It's all relevant to us in here in Canada," Lewenza said Sunday.
Lewenza's counterpart, UAW president Bob King, said the deal reached last week includes improved profit-sharing and significant investments for plants in the United States.
While Canadian eyes are focused on the U.S., talks there will not dictate how negotiations unfold in Canada.
'Sovereign union'
"Of course I think there's always a reflection of what they do on the other side of the border with us, but we're a sovereign union," Lewenza said.
"We're watching where corporations are moving their investment. We're watching where product's being allocated. So it's not just United States in isolation."
If the U.S. deal is approved, workers in the States will get signing bonuses of $5,000 US and possibly larger profit-sharing cheques. The deal also includes guarantees of more union jobs and pay raises of up to $3 per hour for entry-level workers.
The GM deal will serve as a template for contracts that still must be negotiated with Chrysler and Ford.
Local union leaders will get the details of the tentative contract agreement between the UAW and GM on Tuesday.
The year 2012 is a negotiating year for the CAW and the Detroit-based automakers.
Lewenza said the CAW will analyze several terms of the U.S. deal, including investments, product allocation and wages.
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Voting no will give our job security to Canada on a silver platter, not that I am against Canadians but the UAW fought for us to have the ability to gain this windfall of investments, product and job security.
Dont give our jobs away with a foolish no vote
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What you have to remember is, when they voted no at american axle, they ended up taking the contract and the pay cut to keep the plants here, than it was only a year or two later, the company moved the plant anyways, even thou they got what they wanted.
American Axle workers thumbed their nose at product investments and voted against entry level. Once the agreement was voted down American Axle decided not to fight the AAM workers and just put all of the investments in Mexico.
Exactly what is happening to us now as the no voters are pushing us to the point of no return.
We will not hit the 20% in this agreement and if it is voted down Ford will happily invest the billions in Canada and Mexico
A no vote will certainly follow the direct path of American Axle, 6 month strike, come back with less and huge loses in products and investments to Mexico and Canada.
The CAW is just chomping at getting our work gained in this agreement. Make no mistake a no vote will hurt all 40,000 of us
Vote yes for our futures
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If this contract is voted down, advantage = company
They will starve us, tempt us to go on strike so they can take away everything gained in the current tentative agreement
Fools vote no risk all of our futures and earnings
Good posibility with a no vote
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Many of us at DTP are in favor of this agreement because of the huge investments in DSP, DDMP and DEP. We are more than just DTP
DTP as well as the rest of the Rouge will pass this agreement 70% yes
The Rouge should vote 70% + for these billions in investments and job security for their site specifically as well as the rest of the UAW Ford locations
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I'm with you. How many idiots do we have in the union? I've read too many morons who have no idea or refuse to believe there are millions of people who need jobs and can easily do production work. You can hire skilled trades almost anywhere. Wow, what a bunch of dummies if they don't think they can be replaced.
A week or 6 months, thousands will line up as replacement workers, really hard to dispute in this economy. Heck look at the thousands of people lined up for entry level jobs at LAP
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Auto sales seem to be pretty good which also gives Ford an incentive to lock us out and replace us. Or if we go on strike to replace us. Ford has enough inventory to take a strike for a few months. In that time, replacements can be trained and they will have the plants up and running. People will buy Fords at that point just to tell us to get screwed and to support the replacement scabs.
If the economy takes a turn for the worse (double dip recession) while we are on strike or locked out, will benefit the companies bargaining position, starve us out and we will end up worse than Chrysler
A no vote gives us a uncertain, most likely economically disadvantaged future
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A lockout is a work stoppage in which an employer prevents employees from working. This is different from a strike, in which employees refuse to work.
Causes of a lockout may happen for several reasons. When only part of a trade union votes to strike, the purpose of a lockout is to put pressure on a union by reducing the number of members who are able to work. For example, if the anticipated strike severely hampers work of non-striking workers, the employer may declare a lockout until the workers end the strike.
Another case in which an employer may impose a lockout is to avoid slowdowns or intermittent work-stoppages.
Other times, and most widely used by employers a lockout occurs when union membership rejects the company's offer at negotiations and offers to return to work under the same conditions of employment as existed under the now-expired contract. In such a case, the lockout is designed to pressure the workers into accepting the terms of the company's renegotiated often less than the original tentative.
Under federal labor law, an employer may hire replacements during a lockout. In a strike, unless it is an unfair labor practice (ULP) strike, an employer may legally hire permanent replacements.
Becoming a reality with every no vote
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If we get our jobs back, this is money we will never get back.
A strike is a union action in most cases but the companies answer to a strike is a lockout, in a lockout situation we are screwed
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American Axle is a good example of what could happen when things spiral out of control, similar to what is happening now in Ford. Once this happens the company has full control of our futures. A no vote puts us in a bad bargaining position.
A simple lockout for a month or two will bust our weakest into agreeing to less than what we are voting on now
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I get to vote tomorrow... and I'm very very torn over this contract...
We can send them back, but what could we possibly gain by going on strike if this is the best they think they can get us?
A probable scenario is the company can claim that we are the highest paid autoworkers in America. They will claim they bargained in good faith. They will lock us out and starve us for months until we bust down and agree to their terms.
A no vote will strip us of our rich contract
Vote how you must but right now the UAW is in control---- The company is looking forward to a showdown on a no vote, they will have the public, media and leverage to wipe away the good points of this agreement, and we end up with much less than what is currently on the table begging to return to work
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I think the uaw can ask for an extension of the current agreement. The company would have to agree with that. Also, if they company didn't agree with it, the company could change our pay and benefit rates at will and we really could do nothing about it.
A strike called is the unions answer, but the worse case scenario is that the company locks us out and we have to agree to their terms to return.
They have a clear advantage on a no vote, forecasting a no vote---- we will be locked out and end up with less than Chrysler, much less
These no voters are pushing us over a cliff we cannot stop and will lose in the end
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Who's bluff are we calling then? The companies? Or our own?
I believe the company wants a strike, they will benefit the most as we will end up with less like the american axle debacle, job less
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A strike would benefit the company, we would lose $1,000 per week and 10 weeks would be $10,000
The company has 100 day supply and more than likely the company will lock us out only to bring us back for less than what we strike for,,,,,,,,, Sorry but I am voting yes.
Good agreement, with Billions of investments
If we strike, I am afraid we will be locked out replaced with scabs............ This vote will affect many families
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Well, the no vote at MAP has put Ford management on alert. We had another emergency meeting today. My manager talked about how the vote was close and probably didn’t mean much of anything. They were in contact with salaried workers at the plant who said it was a local political issue.
Yet, it seems upper management at Ford is taking it very seriously. We were told once again to be ready to head to the plants that we did the last vehicle launch. In case the contract continues to be voted down, we need to be ready to go. I have been given the assignment to begin contacting suppliers who also helped on the launch. I think Ford plans on bringing them in also to help continue making product if the vote goes down.
One of my co-workers said that if the contract is voted down, don’t the Company and union go back to the table and continue negotiating? My manager said that was possible, but not probable. The company has other options, we were told and don’t have to go back to the table.
What I got from it was the Company can go back to the table, the union can go on strike or the Company can lock the union out. I know the Company has already been in contact with MADI corp http://www.madicorp.com/strike-replacement-workers/ to replace current workers.
My manager said union workers believe the Company will go back to the table, but on the other hand the Company has two options to bring in replacement workers—if the union goes out on strike or if the Company locks the union out. It was floated that since Republicans run both the governments of Michigan and Ohio that those two states may be targeted for replacement workers. They don’t seem to be worried about angry strikers due to the public being against union workers who turn down a very good agreement and the Company PR staff has already been putting out information on the contract.
May be true....... We will be on strike soon
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American Axle History repeats itself At Ford
This No Vote Push Is Eerily Familiar To the Job Losses at AAM
This UAW Ford agreement is taking the same death spiral to a no vote as American Axle. The UAW bargained investments in the UAW represented AAM facilities as well as bonuses and no fixed costs
The AAM membership turned it down and American Axle Management decided that it wasn't worth the battle of the membership once voted down to invest billions in the UAW plants and turned to a contingency plan of sending most of the investment to Mexico
History is repeating itself again at Ford.
If voting “no” there is the possibility of losing many, many jobs including in zone bumping
No one is safe
Before anyone votes no expect a negative outcome in the form of plant closings (moving investments to Mexico and Canada)
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A lengthy strike at $200 per week and a settlement for less than what was struck in the first place
Ford Motor Company is drooling of a strike for history will repeat itself
They are ready to put us out for a long time
Voter beware
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We reap what we sow and this has American Axle DNA all over it. A no vote will be our downfall
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UAW Says Ford Will Hire Strike Breakers If Accord Voted Down
The United Auto Workers said in a Facebook post that it will seek a strike if members vote against a tentative agreement with Ford Motor Co. (F) and that union leaders expect the automaker would seek replacement workers.
The post today from the UAW Ford Department cites UAW Vice President Jimmy Settles, the union’s lead negotiator with the automaker, informing workers a strike would follow a rejection of the contract. Workers at a Ford factory in Wayne, Michigan, rejected the contract in a ratification vote this week.
“Vice President Settles has advised the membership during informational meetings that if the agreement is not ratified, he will ask the International Executive Board to authorize a strike,” the UAW Ford Department post said. “If so, he will then give 72 hour notice to the company that we intend to strike.”
The UAW has not had a national walkout at Ford since 1976. Michele Martin, a spokeswoman for the UAW, didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment. Bob King, the union’s president, said earlier he wasn’t concerned about early voting results at Ford.
“It’s a really good agreement,” King told reporters in Warren, Michigan, today during a news conference about a tentative labor agreement with Chrysler Group LLC. “I think that as people look at it and weigh the different options, they’ll vote for it.”
Ford ‘Optimistic’
The company said it expects the accord to pass.
“We remain optimistic that the tentative agreement will be approved, as it is fair to our employees and improves Ford’s competitiveness,” Karen Hampton, a Ford spokeswoman, said in an e-mail.
Ford’s 41,000 U.S. hourly workers began voting this week on the tentative agreement reached on Oct. 4. Ratification votes at UAW locals across the U.S. are to conclude Oct. 18.
With 8 percent of the vote complete, 50.2 percent of production workers have voted yes, while 50.6 percent of skilled trades workers have rejected the deal, the UAW Ford Department said today on the Facebook page.
“If this is what the UAW is putting on their website, then it’s clearly authoritative on what they see as the likely result of a no vote,” said Harley Shaiken, a labor professor at the University of California at Berkeley. “They’re saying, ‘We did the very best we could and anything more will take the picket line.’”
Lockout Possibility
The post also said the automaker may lock out UAW- represented employees or use replacement workers to keep factories running.
“The company is not obligated to continue bargaining because their position is that they negotiated in good faith and presented an agreement which is more than competitive,” the UAW Ford Department post said. “If we strike, they will use whatever resources necessary to continue operating their plants including the use of scab labor.”
The statement on the Facebook page “will no doubt have an influence on the vote,” Shaiken said. “Workers are not up for a strike; people are apprehensive and fearful of the economy.”
To contact the reporter on this story: Keith Naughton in Southfield, Michigan at knaughton3@bloomberg.net
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My thinking is that both Ford and the UAW are in Shit or get off the pot mode.
Makes sense. Get rid of people quickly, get as many of the streets as possibly and get Apprentices on to take some slots.
Why Apprentices? More entry level hires. If you take from your own your not keeping a full employee with the better everything and hiring a tradesman off the street to be another full employee. Put 2,000 apprentices on and get 2000 new hires.
Your thinking is so convoluted!!
Currently over 500 trades working in production are place holders for entry level. Get this 6 billion investment and $100,000 incentive and most will be back to their tools by March
Or vote no and keep working in your trade while 500 suffer in production
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Like I've said, some will sell out their brother as long as, "I got mine!"
Sad but true
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where? they have already been doing this, this guy (trade) retires and ford say we don't need to replace him! if the contract just said for each trade that retires we WILL replace him with a displaced trade, very simple. but, does it say this? NO, so what do you think the company will do? I vote no for displaced trades!
Well you will have over 500 pissed trades working in production for the next 4 years out there without this incentive.
My choice is to get these skilled working in production back to trades with the new shifts, products and incentives.
I'm already hearing of many wanting to go before 2012
Or vote no and stay in production
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Thanks for the Holidays UAW!
in Ford Employee Forum
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Well done
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