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Well done +1

Depends on the percentage of medical insurance increases year over year It depends on the increases that insurance companies tell the Republicans to support up to double digit increases year over year So to fund the veba to 100% you would have to ensure that the republicans are not getting greased palms from insurance companies and pass the profit cost on to the veba

Ah yes!!! Reflections of 2008 and those strong anti-union Republicans Shelby and Corker both from right to work (for less) states so adamantly testified that our wages, benefits and pension brought down the Auto industry. So vehemently fought to cut our wages below the poverty wages of Nissan. Fought so hard to put us through bankruptcy so our jobs and pay would be gone forever while their Asian non-union plants get our market share In the right to work (for less) republican sheeple states and republican lead states will continue to cut our bargaining rights Look at Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin>>>>>> All republican houses and Governor >>>>>> You want a busted union, no representation and $12.50 per hour????? Keep voting in these Republicans and we will be there quickly

Its Chuckie and he is lying again,,,,,,,,, Sheldon will pass by 70% yes vote.

I am equally worried about a lock out and a strike. Two situations that could have devastating negative results. Recent strikes and lock outs have not been favorable to workers and their respective unions. Now is not the time for either.

CAW watches U.S. auto talks Canadians at negotiating table in 2012 CBC News Posted: Sep 19, 2011 12:29 PM ET Canadian Auto Workers president Ken Lewenza is closely watching contract negotiations between the United Auto Workers and General Motors, Chrysler and Ford in the U.S. Lewenza's attention to the talks comes after GM and the UAW reached a tentative four-year agreement late last week and a few months before his union begins negotiations in Canada. "It's all relevant to us in here in Canada," Lewenza said Sunday. Lewenza's counterpart, UAW president Bob King, said the deal reached last week includes improved profit-sharing and significant investments for plants in the United States. While Canadian eyes are focused on the U.S., talks there will not dictate how negotiations unfold in Canada. 'Sovereign union' "Of course I think there's always a reflection of what they do on the other side of the border with us, but we're a sovereign union," Lewenza said. "We're watching where corporations are moving their investment. We're watching where product's being allocated. So it's not just United States in isolation." If the U.S. deal is approved, workers in the States will get signing bonuses of $5,000 US and possibly larger profit-sharing cheques. The deal also includes guarantees of more union jobs and pay raises of up to $3 per hour for entry-level workers. The GM deal will serve as a template for contracts that still must be negotiated with Chrysler and Ford. Local union leaders will get the details of the tentative contract agreement between the UAW and GM on Tuesday. The year 2012 is a negotiating year for the CAW and the Detroit-based automakers. Lewenza said the CAW will analyze several terms of the U.S. deal, including investments, product allocation and wages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voting no will give our job security to Canada on a silver platter, not that I am against Canadians but the UAW fought for us to have the ability to gain this windfall of investments, product and job security. Dont give our jobs away with a foolish no vote

American Axle workers thumbed their nose at product investments and voted against entry level. Once the agreement was voted down American Axle decided not to fight the AAM workers and just put all of the investments in Mexico. Exactly what is happening to us now as the no voters are pushing us to the point of no return. We will not hit the 20% in this agreement and if it is voted down Ford will happily invest the billions in Canada and Mexico A no vote will certainly follow the direct path of American Axle, 6 month strike, come back with less and huge loses in products and investments to Mexico and Canada. The CAW is just chomping at getting our work gained in this agreement. Make no mistake a no vote will hurt all 40,000 of us Vote yes for our futures

Good posibility with a no vote

The Rouge should vote 70% + for these billions in investments and job security for their site specifically as well as the rest of the UAW Ford locations

A week or 6 months, thousands will line up as replacement workers, really hard to dispute in this economy. Heck look at the thousands of people lined up for entry level jobs at LAP

If the economy takes a turn for the worse (double dip recession) while we are on strike or locked out, will benefit the companies bargaining position, starve us out and we will end up worse than Chrysler A no vote gives us a uncertain, most likely economically disadvantaged future

Becoming a reality with every no vote

A strike is a union action in most cases but the companies answer to a strike is a lockout, in a lockout situation we are screwed

American Axle is a good example of what could happen when things spiral out of control, similar to what is happening now in Ford. Once this happens the company has full control of our futures. A no vote puts us in a bad bargaining position. A simple lockout for a month or two will bust our weakest into agreeing to less than what we are voting on now

A probable scenario is the company can claim that we are the highest paid autoworkers in America. They will claim they bargained in good faith. They will lock us out and starve us for months until we bust down and agree to their terms. A no vote will strip us of our rich contract Vote how you must but right now the UAW is in control---- The company is looking forward to a showdown on a no vote, they will have the public, media and leverage to wipe away the good points of this agreement, and we end up with much less than what is currently on the table begging to return to work

A strike called is the unions answer, but the worse case scenario is that the company locks us out and we have to agree to their terms to return. They have a clear advantage on a no vote, forecasting a no vote---- we will be locked out and end up with less than Chrysler, much less These no voters are pushing us over a cliff we cannot stop and will lose in the end

I believe the company wants a strike, they will benefit the most as we will end up with less like the american axle debacle, job less

If we strike, I am afraid we will be locked out replaced with scabs............ This vote will affect many families

May be true....... We will be on strike soon

We reap what we sow and this has American Axle DNA all over it. A no vote will be our downfall

UAW Says Ford Will Hire Strike Breakers If Accord Voted Down The United Auto Workers said in a Facebook post that it will seek a strike if members vote against a tentative agreement with Ford Motor Co. (F) and that union leaders expect the automaker would seek replacement workers. The post today from the UAW Ford Department cites UAW Vice President Jimmy Settles, the union’s lead negotiator with the automaker, informing workers a strike would follow a rejection of the contract. Workers at a Ford factory in Wayne, Michigan, rejected the contract in a ratification vote this week. “Vice President Settles has advised the membership during informational meetings that if the agreement is not ratified, he will ask the International Executive Board to authorize a strike,” the UAW Ford Department post said. “If so, he will then give 72 hour notice to the company that we intend to strike.” The UAW has not had a national walkout at Ford since 1976. Michele Martin, a spokeswoman for the UAW, didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment. Bob King, the union’s president, said earlier he wasn’t concerned about early voting results at Ford. “It’s a really good agreement,” King told reporters in Warren, Michigan, today during a news conference about a tentative labor agreement with Chrysler Group LLC. “I think that as people look at it and weigh the different options, they’ll vote for it.” Ford ‘Optimistic’ The company said it expects the accord to pass. “We remain optimistic that the tentative agreement will be approved, as it is fair to our employees and improves Ford’s competitiveness,” Karen Hampton, a Ford spokeswoman, said in an e-mail. Ford’s 41,000 U.S. hourly workers began voting this week on the tentative agreement reached on Oct. 4. Ratification votes at UAW locals across the U.S. are to conclude Oct. 18. With 8 percent of the vote complete, 50.2 percent of production workers have voted yes, while 50.6 percent of skilled trades workers have rejected the deal, the UAW Ford Department said today on the Facebook page. “If this is what the UAW is putting on their website, then it’s clearly authoritative on what they see as the likely result of a no vote,” said Harley Shaiken, a labor professor at the University of California at Berkeley. “They’re saying, ‘We did the very best we could and anything more will take the picket line.’” Lockout Possibility The post also said the automaker may lock out UAW- represented employees or use replacement workers to keep factories running. “The company is not obligated to continue bargaining because their position is that they negotiated in good faith and presented an agreement which is more than competitive,” the UAW Ford Department post said. “If we strike, they will use whatever resources necessary to continue operating their plants including the use of scab labor.” The statement on the Facebook page “will no doubt have an influence on the vote,” Shaiken said. “Workers are not up for a strike; people are apprehensive and fearful of the economy.” To contact the reporter on this story: Keith Naughton in Southfield, Michigan at knaughton3@bloomberg.net

Your thinking is so convoluted!! Currently over 500 trades working in production are place holders for entry level. Get this 6 billion investment and $100,000 incentive and most will be back to their tools by March Or vote no and keep working in your trade while 500 suffer in production

Sad but true

Well you will have over 500 pissed trades working in production for the next 4 years out there without this incentive. My choice is to get these skilled working in production back to trades with the new shifts, products and incentives. I'm already hearing of many wanting to go before 2012 Or vote no and stay in production