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On 9/19/2019 at 8:02 AM, doomed said:
10k would be nice if it isn't half of our profit sharing. With all the money Ford is dumping into the train station and the New Ford Village in Dearborn I think they can do better than 10k. I could live with the 6% raise over the 4 yr contract. That might bring us up to our 2008 pay level.Main thing is work and job security. Romeo has no work and probably going to close. Vandyke don't have much work,enough for about 600 people on days only. It will just get worse once we stop making cars.
I keep hearing this shit about the train station. Get over it. You fools seem to think the company cannot do anything without the unions approval.
How Ford spends it's money isn't our business.
The union is there to get us fair pay and benefits while making sure workers are not mistreated. They are not Ford's financial planners.
You whining about the train station is like Ford crying if you spent your profit sharing on hookers and cocaine. It's your business and not their's.
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On 9/24/2019 at 10:06 AM, cal50 said:
Politicians are swinging by for a photo op along with some IUAW people to "walk the line" photo op.
Obama and his supporters bailed out GM (our competition) and it cost taxpayers around 11 billion in loss.
Only an idiot can try to spin an 11 billion loss as a success.
Bush initiated and signed the bailouts for the record.
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18 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
It seems to me that Ford has been crying broke way longer than GM has though.... and louder too.
Ford made 3.1 bil last year. GM made over 11 bil. Is Ford crying broke or that they are less profitable? 31 billion cash on hand shows they are not broke but they are way less profitable than the previous two years.
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20 hours ago, Grandmaster B said:
You still...don’t know anything...rookie.
I know this. I won't be hanging around 10 years too long because I'm "waiting for next contract" like some of you dinosaurs.
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20 hours ago, cal50 said:
When I worked at a Ford parts plant a production union rep was fired for getting paid for working shutdown but was in another state and never stepped foot in the plant.
Labor fired him and somehow he got his job back with back pay AND transfer to another plant.
If you think Mason's get a sweetheart deal union reps take it to the next level.
Ford and the UAW have an agreement between themselves to allow 10% staffing of friends and family.
Its better than Verizon's friends and family plan.............
It came out in a federal lawsuit for a Ford salary employee that was wrongfully fired and won a nice settlement.
That was 22 years ago, who cares?
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15 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
If you ask a certain poster here about that he'll insist CAP is closing in December because to him rumor=truth
Yeah I saw that guy. I bet he's a riot at a party. First it was one shift going away now it's months from closing?
Every plant has their chicken little.
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14 hours ago, Grandmaster B said:
Your a fool, and you only think you know what your talking about. “Long ago” they had nothing to lose by going on strike.
You can sit there and act smart all you like. Your and you're are not interchangeable.
You don't go asking for something you already have, that's wasteful. That is how you short yourself elsewhere in the contract. I understand you may not like reality but your dislike doesn't change it.
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8 hours ago, Decker said:
Appendix K
ii. If there are no existing TPT employees at the requesting facility, the Company may hire, rehire or reinstate STS employees for a period of up to one year. If a STS employee works for a continuous period of more than one year, they will gain seniority as an In-Progression employee with a seniority date equal to the most recent hire, rehire or reinstatement date as an STS employee. However, if the most recent hire, rehire or reinstatement date as an STS employee was prior to November 23, 2015, the STS employee will establish a seniority date of November 23, 2015.
The loop hole is there it never left. Just got a much longer period of uncertainty for an STS employees. Fussy is correct when referring to the old school TPT or LTS trick...and it`s connection to the STS trick.
Good Morning it`s your 89th day of employment, good bye. Ring Ring... Good Morning, you can report to work as a TPT. Now the STS employee gets the "Good Morning its your 181st or 203rd or 364th day, good bye", then the "Ring - Ring" treatment.
The language is clear to the company lawyers and open for anyone's interpretation. But the company went from an 89 day cycle to a 364 day cycle for reducing cost. But... the company would never do something like that?
I get what you're saying but when is the last time an 89 dayer was around? The 89 day stuff has been gone since 07 or 09.
So therefore he's incorrect. There is no loophole. The language is the language. A loophole is something vaguley written. There is none of that. It's spelled out pretty clear they can keep temps as long as they want.
Now there is no time period even mentioned. That needs to change. 52 weeks should be put back into place. And the limit of two temp classifications such as STS and LTS and a worker may not hold each classification more than once. That would keep a temp period at a maximum of 2 years. Better than the 4-5 we have going on currently.
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10 hours ago, Grandmaster B said:
Do you even know what it means to “walk out and hold signs.”? I don’t, and I don’t what to find out. But I do know it means you no longer have health insurance(you fall under some blanket UAW insurance that doesn’t cover accidental), it means you are ”technically” not an employee of Ford Motor Co. Think about that before you talk about your demands. “100% match” What?!?! All I what to see is new investment in EVERY plant.
Investment into plants?
You're joking? See this line of thinking is killing us.
KCAP and DTP are locked in with the truck. They are building more with less and those aren't moving.
KTP has 3 vehicles all of which are new models this year or last.
CAP has two new models.
MAP has new product.
LAP might.
You really think inside 4 years those will magically just vanish? Only plants that need commitments are supply plants like Engine/Trans/Axle. Large assembly plants do not within the next 4 years. There is a time to ask for product commitment for most assembly plants this isn't one of those times.
Yes 100% match. It isn't ground breaking and companies have been matching 6% fully since the late 80's. An 8% match of my weekly gross is nothing for Ford to give up.
You're afraid to strike? How do you think you got those benefits you enjoy now? People before you long ago made it happen. A strike should be a last resort but if need be let's go.
Don't be a coward.
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14 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
That language exists now, but there's a big loophole in the language that allows the company to turn a STS employee to TPT right before the 90 days is up and the time is no longer valid. If/when they get converted back to STS the time starts over again. That happened a lot at Flat Rock for years until they got rid of all of their TPT/STS employees when they went down to 1 shift a few months ago.
You're wrong.
The prior contract had it set at 52 weeks of steady work weeks without a layout(not counting shutdown and christmas) would grant a worker seniority. Regardless of classification(LTS, STS).
You need to re-read your contract. There has been nothing about 90 days since prior to 2007.
Appendix K page 210.
Start there and read.
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19 hours ago, 2016RS said:
Realize that the 2nd Tier employee's are close to being the majority of the work force.
If you were the Company at the Bargaining Table what would you do to get a contract accepted?
Top 3 thing's I believe will happen.
This how I see it playing out.
#1 Give 2nd Tier a very healthy raise.
#2 More out of pocket for health care across the board.
#3 A huge signing bonus.
A healthy increase in 2nd Tier wages along with a large singing bonus will be voted on and pass strongly.
Too often I've seen the legacy worker's pick on the 2nd Tier employee's about how much less they make for doing the same work.
This Contract will pass because the 2nd Tier are fed up with the Status Quo and I don't blame them one bit.
I'm a 2nd Tier worker and that would be a huge no from me and many I know.
8 years needs to be shortened to 6 years.
Temp language needs to offer some form of fixed time before becoming a seniority employee.
If medical, dental, and optical need to be left as is.
Tesphe language regarding company contributions needs to be made into a 100% match of my contribution. Not this 6.4% of 40 hours crap.
1 dollar per hour up to 40 instead of insurance needs to be bumped up to 2 dollars.
Those are the only things that will get a yes from me and a lot of others I've talked to.
If only half of that is met then we can walk out and hold signs.
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13 hours ago, 95Triway said:
And these are the people I’m supposed to put my life on hold for ??. Just so you guys can fight for stuff you’re never getting back and I never had. Your jobs are the best in the area already and you know it. You’re willing to screw me over so you guys can keep the lights on in your cabins up north. I’m telling everybody to vote yes just to spite y’all!!
I have no cabin. Probably have the same seniority you do.
Voting for a bonus is stupid. Look at the temp language we got last time because idiots like you couldn't see past 8500 bucks.
Smart guy you are. Student loan debt to work the same place as me, a high school grad that was dead last in his class at a Detroit Public School no less.
Real smart you are.
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On 8/27/2019 at 6:42 AM, DSPF150 said:
Last contract the union and the company came up with the bullshit of giving us half of OUR profit sharing after signing the contract some people thought that was a bonus. That’s our money anyway nothing extra. The union should never agree to that. Then some members bitched when they only got half of their profit sharing in the spring
If we 1500 of your profit sharing was half you need to come to work more.
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1 hour ago, MTP'er said:
If there going to give you $6000, you bet ya there going to take something away. Like maybe your great medical benefits or even your great vacation benefits. All you see it $$$. Take the blinders off, look at the big picture.
Like that 8500 last time that bought Ford extreme use of temps.
Can't explain nothing to half of these new hires though. They just want to go buy big TVs, new rims, new clothes, and have a few expensive dinners.
As for the guy bitching about student loan debt. That is your problem. You agreed to take on those loans in exchange for an education.
If you foolishly went to college to wind up on the line at Ford and not doing something in the field you studied to be in that is you having to deal with a bad investment nothing more.
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Damn Decker I wish I had known you were at Local 600, I'd have bought you a beer afterwards.
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2000 in a CD at the credit union.
3 mortgage payments.
Gone.
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Agree, but there's too many sheep in the herd for that to happen.
Then the wolves need to teach the sheep.
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Fuzzy that just means the membership needs to storm the castle.
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It's no seceret that he's not looking out for the memberships best interest.
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When?
Tomorrow.
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Stop bitching and just take your ass over to final.
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When I read the thread title I firmly believed this thread was about Nick Kotalis and how he works for his members.
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This is just a general question, Have any of your Chairman just threw in the Towel and just gave up Fighting for there Members rights and how the Company mistreats us??
Nick ar DTP didn't throw in the towel. That is too much work, he let it fall gently to the ground as he fell asleep in his office dreaming of retirement, a big bag of blow, two more extra marital affairs or anything else that doesn't involve looking out for his members.
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Turns out this is probably true, has his own but takes one home anyway.
What a joke.
GM contract highlights
in Ford Employee Forum
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They are not on a quicker scale.
They already put in 4-6 years. Page 86 of their TA also shows a still in place 8 year progression.
Anyone hired after ratification is still on an 8 year path.
They said some temps with 3 years of fulltime temps will be converted. That does not apply to flex temps that can work 30-50 hours a week. Only those classified as fulltime temporary. It also does not specify how many they have to convert.
GM's offer is garbage.