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They are not on a quicker scale. They already put in 4-6 years. Page 86 of their TA also shows a still in place 8 year progression. Anyone hired after ratification is still on an 8 year path. They said some temps with 3 years of fulltime temps will be converted. That does not apply to flex temps that can work 30-50 hours a week. Only those classified as fulltime temporary. It also does not specify how many they have to convert. GM's offer is garbage.

I keep hearing this shit about the train station. Get over it. You fools seem to think the company cannot do anything without the unions approval. How Ford spends it's money isn't our business. The union is there to get us fair pay and benefits while making sure workers are not mistreated. They are not Ford's financial planners. You whining about the train station is like Ford crying if you spent your profit sharing on hookers and cocaine. It's your business and not their's.

Bush initiated and signed the bailouts for the record.

Ford made 3.1 bil last year. GM made over 11 bil. Is Ford crying broke or that they are less profitable? 31 billion cash on hand shows they are not broke but they are way less profitable than the previous two years.

I know this. I won't be hanging around 10 years too long because I'm "waiting for next contract" like some of you dinosaurs.

That was 22 years ago, who cares?

Yeah I saw that guy. I bet he's a riot at a party. First it was one shift going away now it's months from closing? Every plant has their chicken little.

You can sit there and act smart all you like. Your and you're are not interchangeable. You don't go asking for something you already have, that's wasteful. That is how you short yourself elsewhere in the contract. I understand you may not like reality but your dislike doesn't change it.

I get what you're saying but when is the last time an 89 dayer was around? The 89 day stuff has been gone since 07 or 09. So therefore he's incorrect. There is no loophole. The language is the language. A loophole is something vaguley written. There is none of that. It's spelled out pretty clear they can keep temps as long as they want. Now there is no time period even mentioned. That needs to change. 52 weeks should be put back into place. And the limit of two temp classifications such as STS and LTS and a worker may not hold each classification more than once. That would keep a temp period at a maximum of 2 years. Better than the 4-5 we have going on currently.

Investment into plants? You're joking? See this line of thinking is killing us. KCAP and DTP are locked in with the truck. They are building more with less and those aren't moving. KTP has 3 vehicles all of which are new models this year or last. CAP has two new models. MAP has new product. LAP might. You really think inside 4 years those will magically just vanish? Only plants that need commitments are supply plants like Engine/Trans/Axle. Large assembly plants do not within the next 4 years. There is a time to ask for product commitment for most assembly plants this isn't one of those times. Yes 100% match. It isn't ground breaking and companies have been matching 6% fully since the late 80's. An 8% match of my weekly gross is nothing for Ford to give up. You're afraid to strike? How do you think you got those benefits you enjoy now? People before you long ago made it happen. A strike should be a last resort but if need be let's go. Don't be a coward.

You're wrong. The prior contract had it set at 52 weeks of steady work weeks without a layout(not counting shutdown and christmas) would grant a worker seniority. Regardless of classification(LTS, STS). You need to re-read your contract. There has been nothing about 90 days since prior to 2007. Appendix K page 210. Start there and read.

I'm a 2nd Tier worker and that would be a huge no from me and many I know. 8 years needs to be shortened to 6 years. Temp language needs to offer some form of fixed time before becoming a seniority employee. If medical, dental, and optical need to be left as is. Tesphe language regarding company contributions needs to be made into a 100% match of my contribution. Not this 6.4% of 40 hours crap. 1 dollar per hour up to 40 instead of insurance needs to be bumped up to 2 dollars. Those are the only things that will get a yes from me and a lot of others I've talked to. If only half of that is met then we can walk out and hold signs.

I have no cabin. Probably have the same seniority you do. Voting for a bonus is stupid. Look at the temp language we got last time because idiots like you couldn't see past 8500 bucks. Smart guy you are. Student loan debt to work the same place as me, a high school grad that was dead last in his class at a Detroit Public School no less. Real smart you are.

If we 1500 of your profit sharing was half you need to come to work more.

Like that 8500 last time that bought Ford extreme use of temps. Can't explain nothing to half of these new hires though. They just want to go buy big TVs, new rims, new clothes, and have a few expensive dinners. As for the guy bitching about student loan debt. That is your problem. You agreed to take on those loans in exchange for an education. If you foolishly went to college to wind up on the line at Ford and not doing something in the field you studied to be in that is you having to deal with a bad investment nothing more.