The Handler
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Yikes. It does remind me of a Toyota.
As overwrought as the current trucks are, at least they look like a Chevy.
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How many products migrate to CD6? Could it be possible that Oakville becomes a CD6 plant (in line with your idea), along with FRAP? Is current thought that Mustang will migrate to a RWD version of CD6 in its next iteration, or will its chassis remain bespoke (perhaps finally getting a Lincoln cousin)?
I don't really see a need for RWD cars other than the Mustang. I can't picture a successful Mustang-based Lincoln sports car.
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I also liked the Continental concept in 2002....it's a design that could've been evolved.....I too wouldn't be surprised to see at least some elements of some of these concepts appear in some fashion.
Judging by the interior design of the new Navigator and the wheel designs, Lincoln seems to be flirting with futuristic design. They don't seem to be too concerned with embracing designs from its past.
The next several years will be interesting.
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I always liked the Mark X concept......actually I liked all of their concepts from the early 2000s.....it's a shame they didn't get built - makes you wonder what would've happened with the brand if they had actually made some of them (and whether it'd be better off or not).
I never understood why Lincoln didn't stick with the 60s theme and evolve it. How could they let go of a design language that iconic, distinctive, and timeless? Decades later, Lincoln was in desperate need to find a distinctive, youthful look. What Gerry McGovern did was common sense. Anybody within Ford Design could have brought those changes. There was no need to hire a big shot stylist and pamper him to death.
Woodhouse was actually involved with many of those concepts, so there might be a chance this new look will adopt some cues from the 60s Continental as it evolves.
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I want to edit my post but it's been quoted a few times, so I'll do it here. I originally said that people buy the off-lease used cars to impress someone else. I want to add that they buy the Lincoln because they can't afford a better name brand.
No offense.
Ford would have been better off keeping Jaguar and shelving Lincoln with Mercury.
I'm not an expert on the whole PAG debacle, but I can't help but wonder what Ford would be like today if things had gone differently. Just think of the platform sharing. Especially SUVs. Not only would T6 spawn a Bronco, but a new Defender as well. Explorer, F-Pace, J-Pace, Discovery, Range Rover Velar, Range Rover Sport, and Range Rover would all be on the same RWD-based platform. Maybe even a Ford version of the Range Rover Sport (Explorer Sport?) to serve as a direct competitor to the Grand Cherokee. Escape, E-Pace, Discovery Sport, and Range Rover Evoque would also be on the same FWD-based platform.
Only in a perfect world....
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Who made you the declarer of good and bad design? There have been many truly bad designs in automotive history (Pacer, Gremlin, Aztec) but I don't see how you can call the Conti and Navigator bad. There really isn't much you can do nowadays design wise that hasn't already been done somewhere somehow. And being different for the sake of being different is silly in this segment.
Maybe if you would say things like "I don't like the design" instead of "they're being lazy and thoughtless and derivative" you wouldn't get labeled as a biased troll.
Maybe people shouldn't get so triggered over one's opinion.
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But it's OK for MB or Audi to do that, gotcha...
While the style is derivative, it takes Lincoln a long way in the right direction, and while some may
be decidedly critical of the design, real and genuine buyers will be the decider in this argument.
Where did you draw that conclusion from? I already said in my previous posts that bad design is an industry problem. I'm knocking on Ford design because it's part of the topic. If we were discussing GM or Mercedes-Benz design, I'd knock on their design as well. I'm not some biased troll you people are painting me to be. Good grief, you guys are no different than the GM apologists at GMI. It's so unfortunate we can no longer offer our opinions to have interesting discourse without some getting really offended. If these companies didn't allow constructive criticism like these message boards apparently do, there wouldn't be any progress.
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I'm sorry, but what exactly on the Navigator is a copy of the Range Rover?
At least you didn't say it's a copy of the GM SUVs like those at GMI tried to argue.
It's pretty obvious they've been taking cues from British luxury brands with these latest new models. It's not necessarily a terrible thing, but they could at least be tasteful about it. I'm mean, when they're using the shape of the brand's logo for a grille insert design, you know it's lazy, thoughtless design.
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So you think the new Navigator in RMC's sig is ugly?
Sorry but you just lost me.
Absolutely. It's a lazy, copy/cut/paste design. Models within in a brand should look familial without being homogenous. They could have played with different headlight/taillight designs. A blacked-out A-pillar would have looked a lot better. If you're gonna copy Range Rover, at least do it right. All of those wheel designs it's offered with don't even compliment the body; they only exist because they're trendy.
FYI, I would not have dumped the last design language to begin with. I can't count how many decent design languages they've gone through over the years because they never gave them a chance. That's pretty much the reason why Lincoln has never developed a distinctive visual identity. When something underperformed at Ford, they always were quick to blame design (even if it's not responsible). That's how we ended up with the Oval Taurus; they thought a radical design would set showrooms on fire.
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Let's be honest. Nothing in Ford or Lincoln's lineup is "just plain ugly." Have you seen anything Nissan or Toyota has put out the last decade? THOSE are ugly.
Their MCEs have been lacking, but not ugly.
I agree that Ford's styling is not as absurd as Nissan and Toyota's, but it's not something to be proud of either. And yes, they do have some vehicles that are just plain ugly. Like the Navigator in your sig....
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Ford is also seriously lacking in good design. I find most new Fords and Lincolns to be either derivative, boring, or just plain ugly. Their latest MCEs have been the worst. I know bad design has been an industry-wide problem, but Ford could really set an example by putting beauty back in automotive design again.
2019 Ford Ranger Speculation thread
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Why is it getting a second refresh? It's supposed to be due for a full redesign in 2019.