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One thing I will be interested to see with the next gen F-150 is if the 5.5 box Supercab Raptor survives since it is the sole survivor of that configuration currently.
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Just now, akirby said:
I said we’re done discussing it.I will respectfully disagree with any insinuation that I stated it as fact but agreed done with this apparent controversial topic.
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2 minutes ago, akirby said:
Seriously? That’s literally all you’ve said in this thread the last two days.There is nothing more to discuss about it. You want SFA - maybe you’ll get it in a special edition or aftermarket conversion. But it won’t be in the regular Bronco.
So let’s end that discussion now because it’s detracting from all the other things that folks want to discuss. Further posts will be deleted. Find something new to gripe about.
I stated it was a fact that the Bronco would be better with SFA?? It is my opinion, never once stated it was a fact.
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14 minutes ago, fordmantpw said:
I highlighted the most important words in this whole conversation. Had you stated those earlier, a lot of this could have been avoided. You have finally stated this is your opinion, as opposed to the fact you were stating it as earlier. I (and most others here) happen to disagree with your opinions, and that's OK. Just don't come in here acting like it's fact.
Never said it’s a fact that the Bronco is better with IFS or SFA. My opinion certainly is that it is better with SFA but none of us can say for fact it’s better with one or other, it will always be an opinion. If differing opinion was more welcome here then it could have been avoided.
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6 hours ago, 7Mary3 said:
That is strange, why wouldn't the 600 be included with the 450-550 order guide? Only thing I can think of is Ford wants to differentiate the 600 from the 550 from a marketing standpoint, which really makes no sense.
Work Truck Show always has a few surprises, but with the crisis currently at Ford I am not expecting much from them outside of previously announced upcoming vehicles, like the 7.3L in the medium duty F series.
The composite door thing is something I heard, I figure if they were going to use composite doors on the old Super Duty cab on the 650/750 it would be a cost savings move. Medium duty doors don't need side impact protection, composite is lighter and cheaper, and who knows, maybe the steel Super Duty door stamping dies are worn out?
Wonder what set of Econoline door stamp they are on since 91 when the current door started?
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18 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:
Opinions are not facts.
Your the one drawing attention to yourself by picking a stupid hill to die on, when the Bronco is not going to have SLA.
We can have an opinion and discuss the merits of both while having the fact that Bronco will indeed have IFS. We can both acknowledge there is no factual information on if Bronco is better off with IFS or SFA, just differing opinions on what we think is best.
If we didn’t discuss features that vehicles were not going to have or do not have then this forum would be pretty boring tbh.
Drawing attention due to an opinion and having a discussion is much different than being attacked with nonsense.
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10 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:
So this is your first and only warning before a vacation-your intentionally needling/trolling people now.
Uhh I am the one actually attempting to discuss a topic here and getting attacked and somehow responding to trolling/memes is on me??????
Or are dissenting opinions not welcome here????
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10 minutes ago, fordmantpw said:
If SFA doesn't deter buyers, then IFS shouldn't either.
The Wrangler is the only thing of its kind on the market. You can't possibly say that SFA doesn't deter buyers. Who's to say it wouldn't sell 10% more with IFS?
I think for this type of market SFA does attract buyers but time will tell with the Bronco. I don’t think it impacts Jeep market much and it would probably lose 10% without SFA too.
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6 minutes ago, MY93SHO said:
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Your schtick is getting old Skippy. Time for a new tune.
Too in-depth for you to add anything constructive??? I get it, critical thinking can be tough for some!
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3 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:
You are the one hung up on SFA, not I. I have no issue with a IFS on my Bronco I'm getting. If there is only one product offering one style of suspension-that one will win by default. The Bronco is not going to be a Wrangler clone, which your apparently hung up on.
The DW issue is endemic to Jeeps due to suspension changes and other things the Wrangler is endemic to. When a IFS part wears out, it doesn't cause (in most cases) a car to become dangerous to drive over 40 MPH.
Your really going around in circles but anyways you proved my point with win-win casual and hardcore buyers... Thanks!
Most cases of part wear on a SFA do not cause DW either. If people can’t maintain the front suspension on a vehicle then it shouldn’t be going down the road anyway.
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20 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:
Death wobble is an advantage? LOL
People buy Wranglers because they think they cool-pure aesthetics. They also have a history which helps, but the average car buyer seems to buy in impulse more often then not. People buy a Wrangler then get rid of them fairly quicky because they are rough around the edges.The point is that it does not deter casual buyers. If the Bronco is “pure cool” then it should sell with a SFA by your logic too?? Your just proving my point that SFA captures the largest amount of prospective buyers by saying people buy on impulse anyways.
Must have missed the part where I said DW was an advantage?? Something caused by wear items (or lately in Ford’s case poor quality OEM parts). So nothing in IFS wears out it and causes front end issues??
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Just now, silvrsvt said:
And yet again, the Bronco is not a Wrangler clone and the vast majority of rock crawlers and serious off roaders are used cars
99% of new Jeeps are mall cruisers.
Sure, but as I previously said SFA has other advantages even if your not building a rock crawler or serious off-roader.
Most new Jeeps are indeed mall crawlers which to me shows that SFA is not a deterrent to most casual buyers and keeps the more involved buyer happy. That seems like a win-win to me??
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20 hours ago, akirby said:
No it’s people who think Ford has to build what they want instead of what the other 99.99% want.Someone should tell the over 200k people that buy Jeeps that no one wants SFA. If we were here bitching about putting say the 7.3 in the new Bronco I would get your point.
I do however think there is a fairly large percentage of perspective buyers that would prefer a SFA.
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20 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
You clearly don't read everything. I got one will gladly rip them a new one when I feel like they deserve it.I heard hooked on phonics was having a special since your clearly having trouble with things.... might take you a while to find it though internet tough guy...
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1 hour ago, SteelyD said:
LOL every thread on BON is like this. Especially the Med Duty Truck thread. It's more about the truck experts showing off all of their supposed expertise all the while pretending to be Ford loyalists. The double scam.
I think the scam is people that go along with everything/anything Ford does..
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16 hours ago, fordmantpw said:
I have...2 as a matter of fact. Had the beginning of death wobble on the first. So far, so good on this one.
If Ford put IFS in the Super Duty as an option, I'd buy it in a heart beat over SFA.
Never had DW in any of my SD’s, what exactly do you think you would gain with IFS?? There is no discernible difference in on road driving characteristics between GM HD’s and the SD. Even some reviews comparing the 2020 GM HD versus SD actually say the SD had better driving characteristics.
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1 hour ago, snooter said:
Ifs is for cars...last 10 years the push has been to turn trucks into cars for ride quality...nobody is bitchin about why ford went the route they have with the bronc ..off road market will never receive it well no matter what the talking points read from ford....
Might as well just call it the Bronco II, shame they decided to half ass it.
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37 minutes ago, snooter said:
Yea...TTB on old full size bronc was utter garbage...not worth time or expense....pulled and tossed for stronger and superior set-up...bronc is a foo foo grocery getter...they tried there best to hide this fact so i give them a lil credit.....
I’d rather it over an a-arm IFS setup for simplicity sake but definitely not an ideal setup. The worst was the leaf sprung F-250 TTB, not sure why anyone bought that instead of a 350 with Dana 60 SFA.
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Why doesn’t Ford just do what they did before (Terminator Cobra) and offer a platform with two different suspension setups?? I would pay extra within reason for SFA.
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1 minute ago, silvrsvt said:
THE BRONCO IS NOT GOING TO BE WRANGLER CLONE
Having some difficulty with your keyboard??? Perhaps you forgot your glasses today???
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12 minutes ago, Donaldo said:
Everyone knows Jeep Wranglers are the best handling/steering, most comfortable, and capable daily driver SUVs thanks to their handy SFAs. Why didn't Ford engineers understand this
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So your saying Ford engineers should focus solely on those items for the Bronco during design??
SFA is a nice compromise with more durability.
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5 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
You do realize the old Bronco has IFS right?Yes, I owned one for many years (I never should have sold it?) and the TTB was garbage. Other than that a great truck.
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5 minutes ago, akirby said:
The entire discussion was around Bronco needing SFA for hard core rock crawling. That’s the point we were debating not SFA on heavy trucks.Perhaps you have me confused with an earlier poster?????
I wonder how many in this thread have even owned a solid axle truck before.....
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Just now, akirby said:
Why the hell would you need SFA fo a daily driver? Makes no sense.Because I prefer the simplicity (less parts)and durability for a slight downgrade in ride comfort.Go drive a 2500 HD and F-350... it’s not a big difference in on road manners.
Sure it’s a different vehicle class but I don’t see any reason why an IFS versus SFA Bronco would be any different.
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Bronco and Bronco Sport World Premier July 13th!!
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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Done with it at its clearly not a productive topic around here at this point in time, neither side will ever agree. Look forward to the new Bronco to be revealed for others to enjoy and hopefully a SFA option down the road someday for the rest of us.