Sean J.

Ah yes, I've seen the pictures of that on the website but I see a brownish color rather than a wine-like color. It's so hard to determine colors well on a computer screen. The fact that it is combined with the black though makes it much more appealing. I was envisioning seats that were 100% red everywhere, like true red. TT

Alex, Bummer on missing the Elite! Are you in Canada? I don't recall red leather on the Titanium Elite Pkg here in the U.S. That would be a lot of red! As for my ST, I got a great deal! The incentives were close to $5,000 off so I couldn't pass it up. I ordered it from the factory with the 21" black rims (which are rare here in West Michigan) and black exterior. It's awesome! I named it "Sirius Black"...? TT

The CD slot (aka CD player) is no more. As for the center console, I think the reason they did away with the double trays that clicked open independently was either cost-cutting or complaints and warranty issues because the mechanism was prone to issues or breakage. Insulation deletion sounds like cost-cutting to me. Under the hood it would either muffle the engine compartment noise or make the hood itself stiffer and less prone to fluttering when driving. I have a 2020, don't even worry about it. It's a completely unnecessary item. As for the wireless charging pad I posted previously that Qi chargers charge the same regardless of phone cases, that's the beauty of them. That would be an awful design flaw otherwise, especially for people with OtterBox cases! Good Luck! TT

Alex, About that dual note horn. I posted about that in a separate thread. I actually got around that issue on my 2020 Edge ST. The mount in the 2020's is a 2 horn mount even though only 1 horn is present. I had my service dept look at it after I did, it's easily visible under the hood. When I ordered the 2020 part number from the parts dept it came as a dual note setup so it was replaced in my car immediately within the first week of ownership covered under warranty. As for the open tray at the top of the dash, I've thought about that too but ultimately I have used the open tray for so many things that a curved bin cover wouldn't have allowed, like doggie bags from restaurants, to go items from the drive through, keys, phones, and other things that it's nice to be able to just lay there quickly without opening a cover that may or may not open high enough. Also love my 2020 ST! Is your Titanium equipped with the new monochromatic premium package? (can't remember the name of it) I love the look of it and the new 2020 rims included with it! TT

I will agree the trunk lighting is minimal. The light placement deeper in the cargo area on the lower side wall gets covered too easily if you have anything towards the back. They needed to add something to the hatch that shines down when it's open or put the light higher up on the side walls so it's not easily buried. Then again, over the course of ownership, you're not going to be in your trunk at night all that much, unless you only shop for things/hike/travel with family in the dark. Side note, the panoramic moonroof is one of the most amazing features I've ever seen on any car. I forgot to mention that above. It stretches so far back and is so wide that you have a hard time seeing where it stops even when turning your head around from the driver's seat, and the open air driving and exposure to more sunlight (which we all need up here in the North) is reminiscent of driving a Jeep Wrangler with the top off. When not needed, the shade does a great job of blocking all light. TT

For sure. That is the only way I know of. I will say that even the self check over-highlights the kind of movement you'll see when driving so don't be fooled by that. They perform a very minimal beam pattern change depending on the severity of the curve you're on, so many times you won't have a chance to see them turn because it's slight and gradual. It takes the right type of turn to see mine working, but I do see it. I'd say the most obvious time is if I turn into a driveway at night going at a good clip. You have to be traveling at, I believe, 5mph or more to activate them. Your service department may have some other ways to check their operation but the standard thought is, if they self-check upon start-up, they're operational. TT

40Eridani the self check does confirm the lights are actively bending while driving. I have an ST with the same greyed out menu and my lights work fine. TT

Hey There, I'll start things off. Glad to help in the search. I just got a 2020 Edge ST at the end of February. First off, I'm a Ford loyalist, and not necessarily for the same reason as generations of Ford owners you'll meet. I came from a GM family. In my adulthood I've owned 4 Ford Fusions since picking out my first one, a 2008, back in late 2007. Since then I've been so impressed by not only the vehicles that Ford makes, but the way they move forward with technology, safety, and design, and how they take care of me as a customer. I'm also a lover of the company and how they take care of the communities they serve, from marginalized populations and social outreach to giving back and helping those who are unfairly treated to helping care for the planet and maintain it. All those things have kept me a loyal Ford buyer, and truly I love supporting them as an American/North American company. Now, for the car itself. I'm equally in love with the Edge ST I just got and I'll answer your questions to the best of my ability: 1.) I LOVE the solid feeling when driving the vehicle. What you're feeling is a good thing, not a bad thing. It's safe on the road, firmly planted, and makes me feel like I own whatever pavement I'm on. It's not so light that the wind blows it around and the seats shake but it's also not so heavy that it doesn't move when coaxed. You don't want a crossover that flips around at any given slight turn of the wheel. 2.) If you package an Edge just right, the exterior look definitely rivals any of the competitors on the market. Get an SEL with the standard wheels and I can see why you might prefer the look of a Santa Fe (with the exception of that alien looking front end). If you don't want the sportier ST-Line (just launched) or the full bang ST I recommend the Edge Titanium. The standard equipment list makes more sense for the money and considering you'll have this car for a long time, and like you said, the incentives on these vehicles are outstanding and might actually get you where you want to be with your cost on a Titanium. The Titanium also comes standard with larger 19" rims which fill the wheel wells nicely and give the vehicle a much more compliant ride. 3.) What I love about my Edge is a pretty long list but I'll give some highlights, knowing that my ST will have some items that I can't compare to any of the other trims: The height and presence on the road, coming from a sedan, is amazing; the cargo area is expansive; the fold down seats are easy to collapse and add so much room (best in class); the seats are comfortable and built to last; the LED lighting everywhere is amazing, bright, and looks great; all the engines are gutsy; the keyless entry keypad is still a fan favorite and has saved me many times; the smart app for starting the vehicle at any time from anywhere works flawlessly; the onboard WiFi is priceless; the nooks and crannies and cavernous center console are invaluable; the Sync 3 technology is the best I've ever used in any car I've rented, owned, or driven...by far; the smart technology and standard safety features make me feel safe all the time...every time I drive...and I still get amazed every time they sense, or see, or guide, or warn. 4.) With auto-start and/or the FordPass app, the car will be plenty warm or cool during winter and summer months long before you even open the car door. I live in Michigan so can appreciate the bitter cold and right now the 90º summer sun. Heating and Cooling will not be a problem, especially with the heated seats and steering wheel (and with the Titanium the addition of cooled seats is an option). 5.) ActiveX is an amazing technology and is far more comfortable than cloth in any situation. Cloth seats tend to flatten out over time (and hold so many more odors, stains, and debris) and the bolstering in both the leather and activeX seats is much more solid and long-lasting. The activeX is an engineered leather with technology behind it that gives it the benefits of real leather like ease of cleaning and comfort, without added expense or use of animal hides and the dye-laden tanning process. 6.) Foot activated lift gate is awesome, once you get used to where it's positioned under the bumper. I use it all the time because it's so simple. I rarely use the key fob (or button on the hatch) unless I'm approaching the car from a distance with a cart and need it open by the time I get there (in the rain for example). 7.) All Qi (pronounced Chi) enabled wireless charging pads are designed for phones with and without cases, so no big deal there. I tend not to need to charge my phone in the car that often due to short drives around the city, but for a long drive it's really nice. I can tuck my phone away which keeps it out of view while making sure it's charged and ready to go. When just driving around the city, that area tends to be used for other items that I don't want tucked away in the center console between home and work, like face masks, gum, and the things I need frequently. 8.) Fuel economy, I won't even go there. My ST was NOT bought for gas conservation. 9.) 0 reliability issues thus far, however, 0 reliability issues on all 4 prior Ford Fusions with which the Edge shares a platform. My prior models were 2 Fusion SELs, and 2 Fusion Titaniums, the latter 3 all had all-wheel drive and either the older V-6's or the newer Ecoboost 4's. I had a minor transmission issue on my 2014 Ecoboost, but it was fixed under warranty to full resolution. As for 2019 vs. 2020, there are little to no changes that are perceptible to the naked eye, with the exception of some color differences, packaging, and that square space on the top of the dash above the Sync screen. In 2019's it was a curved cubby with a pop-up lid. In 2020's it's just an open tray. I can see the benefit of both but prefer the open tray in mine for cellphone, a drive-thru bag, keys, etc. It's also a good shelf to set an extra drink or bottle on if the 2 cup holders are in use (while the car is parked that is). I will admit I can't be totally objective because even though Hyundai has come a long way, I don't follow them. I do know however that they are not made for the long haul, regardless of their warranty offerings. I know prior Hyundai owners, I say prior because they didn't buy a 2nd one! Personally, I'd rather pay for a repair after warranty expiration and get it done right the first time, than continue to take a vehicle under warranty back to a dealership for repeat warranty work. It's a balance of time and money. Sure a free repair is great, but if I have to go back over and over again, eventually I'd rather have paid and had it done right the first time. Warranties are also wrought with red tape and hidden restrictions so sometimes they are used more as a marketing gimmick than anything substantial. Hyundais tend to be wrought with mechanical issues and their quality and fit and finish do not stand the test of time. Ford is doing great things as a company and the Edge has consistently been highly rated among Ford vehicles in owner satisfaction, safety, and quality. It also has few to no open recalls and reliability is high. Your parents-in-law love it for a reason, and there's never a wrong time to drive the same car as your in-laws, especially with children to cart around. It makes it easier for you to switch cars when the need arises and makes moving car seats much less of a hassle. Also, if they get to the point where they want to upgrade in a couple years, you could get first dibs and buy a vehicle from them you're already familiar with on many levels! Good Luck! TT

Yep, no worries, we knew what you meant. TT

Looks like you're all set then. You're in the same boat as the rest of us. The headlights move which means they'll work fine when driving, but the unnecessary menu option was either not removed or given a deeper menu, maybe for an on/off option, hard to say. Either way, something got missed along the way which caused the menu issue. TT

Dude! I'll consider myself lucky then! Sunroof glass flying off??? That alone would give me PTSD! TT

Gotcha. Yeah, in the sea of mundane Toyota/Honda/Nissan models with truly ugly, uninspired, and cheap trims dominating the road only because of things like reliability, I guess I'm not all that surprised. Unfortunately most drivers aren't concerned with bells AND whistles. Maybe a bell here OR a whistle there but that's about it. I'm just glad I got the 2017 I had before things changed so drastically at the blue oval. It was beautiful, and I hated getting rid of it but ultimately wanted something faster and higher off the ground, so compromises were made. TT

I LOVE my Edge ST but do miss my Fusion in some respects. I would have bought it at the end of the lease and kept it in storage due to the low miles and how I optioned it out, but I couldn't justify that extra expense and don't need a 3rd car in the family. I do love the Explorer ST too but that is too much more car and expense than is necessary in our household. Whenever this Covid-19 winds down and I can, I'll be back in to replace the 2017 Explorer with another, but probably no higher than a Limited trim. My spouse likes the 2017 we have and wants to get into a similar package on the 2020. I will say I'll be glad when our 2017 is gone. We've already had to replace the tires and rear brakes, and the driver's side carpet has worn through where the winter mats don't cover. We live in Michigan too (GR) but are not hard on our vehicles and haven't had these issues on any Fords in the past. I hadn't heard about the rust and brakes issues before. Good to know! TT

I'm sure the mere fact that the Fusion had full LED taillights didn't lead to its demise. Ford wants an all-SUV/Crossover lineup and it's not like they only canceled the Fusion. Fusion was one of the most popular sedans in recent history, and relatively highly rated and safe based on Consumer Reports ratings and NHTSA reports I've read over the years. Hell, I drove 4 of them myself! '08/'11/'14/'17 TT

Oh that's so odd! To keep the SE taillights on the Sport but not the Titanium??!! As for 2019 and up, I don't think the puddle lamps on my 2020 Edge ST are LED and I have the 401a pkg. I know the license plate ones aren't but I'll have to check the puddle lights. Would be easier on the Sport Fusion to just get a Titanium trunk lid wouldn't it? You'd have to rebadge it with the Sport lettering but that would be about it wouldn't it? Expensive but maybe worth it. Wait, your 2018 Explorer hood and brakes are already rusting??!! TT

Your timing on those comments is impeccable because 1.) I was just going to comment on the oddity of the Focus license plate getting adorned with LED bulbs and 2.) I just saw a Fusion Sport the other day that did NOT have the full LED strips in back and I was puzzled. I always thought Titanium and Sport automatically came with the full strips because of their higher end trims, so you just addressed my puzzlement, although, now I'm left to wonder what the scoop is there? Did the Sport need a 401pkg or something to get the full LED strips? PS I'm glad to give you the name of the online company I got my LED turn signal bulbs from for my 2017 Explorer. They look great and I chuckle because nobody else has them on their Explorers. TT

I get that. What bugs me the most is that my prior vehicle, a 2017 Fusion Titanium, had full LED front and back, so Ford has definitely figured it out on some vehicles just not all. I'm just unhappy with the cuts they've made to this new platform Explorer for the sake of rear drive and all the shifting priorities that change dictated. In the end, I'll just have someone else install the LED rear turn signals and relays necessary. Did that on my 2017 Explorer without issue. TT

The heated seats and steering wheel in my 2020 Edge ST get uncomfortably hot quickly, not sure if the seat part is thanks to the partial leather/partial miko? The cooled seats in all my Fords have also been very sufficient to the point that it starts to feel like my pants are wet, which is soooo odd. I live in Western Michigan, do some of you live in more extreme areas like further North or the deep South? TT

Heated & Cooled, current Edge and last 2 Fusions. TT

I'd be dumbfounded if your seats don't warm up fast. My prior Fusion and my current Edge got way hot quite fast. I have to turn them on low or off altogether when getting into the car after it's warmed up. Then again, we had a really mild winter this year so I'll have to wait and see what happens next year. Enjoy your Edge! TT

Mine was done 100% under warranty. Car was only like 2 days old. Maybe I got lucky. If they're going to deny this under warranty going forward, then they need to stop selling the correct dual note in the parts dept, stop using a dual bracket in the car, and stop tricking the software into thinking a dual note is installed. TT

Hmm, good question! I have a 2020 Edge ST now and have had 2 Fusion Titaniums ('14 & '17) and a 2017 Explorer and can't say I've ever paid attention. I will say that Ford's heated seats get so hot so fast that I rarely leave them on for very long after the car has warmed up. My question would be have you turned on the passenger seat and checked that to see if it exhibits the same behavior? I'll have to check mine soon and get back to you. TT

Ok, but why go to such lengths? What do you hate so much about having some lights on during the day? It's basically the same as having them (and all the others) on at night. Visibility is visibility. ? TT

Bummer. My dealership found 2 other similarly equipped Edges on our lot with the same scenario as mine so that pretty much confirmed it was a software issue. I'm sure it will get addressed at some point. I've contacted a couple reps at Ford and have had some back and forth communication on who to bubble it up to. TT

Yes! Love that idea! If we can have cars driving around that almost drive themselves we can certainly figure out a way to make automatic lights a default passive feature like DRL's. Regardless of the IP, you'd think not being able to see the road or your own light beams would be a huge clue, then again, these are the same people who don't notice the person flashing them or don't get why the person is flashing them. We should all be required to re-test every 5 years, live, with a rep in the passenger seat, in the rain, at night, in a simulated environment. Half the population would be doomed. ? TT