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    Towing Capacity

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    Looking at buying either an Edge or a Taurus X and don't get the towing capacity, in one line it reads 907kg (2,000lbs) and the next line reads 1,588kg (3,501lbs)? what does it mean? will it pull a 3500 lb trailer from ontario to florida? That's for the Edge, I haven't found info for the X.

    Thanks

    STAP and the federal election

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    We are in the middle of a federal election. Unemployment in this area is around 9%. The economy is issue #1. Why isn’t anyone talking about the jobs at STAP.

    http://www.joeprestonmp.ca/EN/3634/104942

    “No one can say we didn’t try our best to save those jobs,” Preston said after the meeting. “We all gave it our best shot, from all levels of government and from every viewpoint we could think of. While there were some positive aspects to what Ford told us they are willing to do once they close the plant, I am still greatly saddened by what appears to be their final decision.”

     

    Well what are they? We are very close to the closer date and don’t even have details on decommissioning. Until the place closes and the doors are locked we can still put pressure on anyone that will listen to extend the plant. Ford has been given more time too meet their government fuel requirement so why didn’t the plant?Could it be because if the plant stayed open just 4 more months 170 people would be retirement eligible, another year and 400 more. Ford used the financial crisis to simple walking away with our pensions. This Corporation made billion off this building BEFORE they made 6 billion last year.

    “ Ford officials said they would not simply abandon the St. Thomas plant and are willing to assist in the marketing of the site to potential buyers. “

     

    It’s time for Mr. Preston and others to do more for the people STILL WORKING!!!

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    Location of Canadian Facilities

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    I work at STAP and have been given a list of Ford facilities I can choose form should I be interested in a transfer. I know where OAC is but I don’t know where Bramalea or Edmonton are located? I know Bramalea is a parts distribution center. Is it in Brampton? What do they do in Edmonton? Oh btw I know edmonton is in alberta but that is it. Just for thus interested nothing was offered in Windsor. No other info was given and I have till Jan 31 to make my up my mind.

    Thanks in advance.

    OAC News

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    Could someone from OAC file us STAPers in on how many people you still have on lay-off and whether they still have recall rights? Also any info on the NEW car you were promised in the last set of talks and any word you may have on adding a third shift?

    Thanks in advance

    New Work at Oakville Assemby?

    in Global Ford Products

    Posted

    First off, I have nothing against the people at STAP. I hope things work for them whether they come to OAC, take a buyout, or whatever.

     

    That said, this is the reality. It has little to do with manpower and more to do with logistics:

    1. The CV, GM and TC are not in Ford's future. Not that I like it, I've got my own feelings about it (and the Ranger as well). But that is reality.
    2. Because the products at STAP are being discontinued, they haven't got the equipment to run a flex assembly plant.
    3. Because of Ford's finances, they can't retool your plant (at least now) for flex production.

     

    OAC has:

    1. Flex assembly already
    2. Proximity to vendors
    3. Room for expansion on-site
    4. FOC headquarters on site in a very public high visibility area

     

    Tell me, what plant would you close?

     

    STAP is a corn field. You know that right?

    There is nothing around it for miles. You could build a city around it if you WANTED to.

    I started in 1983, we built the CV/GM both 2 door and 4 door the Country Squire station wagon and the UNIBODY Escort. I think that's pretty flexible? Our union panicked in light of everything going on at the time. Nothing should have been signed until the contract we had expired in 2011.

    NOTHING SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSED.

    Books You Might Want To Read

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    Maybe you didnt notice but you didnt get one last year either..why are you acting like this is breaking news?? Or are you just trying to wind people up?

     

    STOP all the personal attacks. The guy starts a thread that I was interested in and you rant about F-ALL STFU.

    Contribute or leave!

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    Ford charged for deaths of two workers

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    Ah yes, don't like the message, so ban the member.

     

    Can't win a debate, don't allow the other side to speak

     

    That my friend, is the cowardly way out

     

     

     

    Unfortunately, that is the only thing people the mentality of people like Framer, can do

     

     

     

    Actually, it's called being a honest, hard working, valuable employee.

     

    There are plenty of words to describe you however.

     

    I do feel bad that two people from the Ford Family died. But the responsibility does not fall solely at the feet of Ford.

     

     

     

     

    Already started the process. Tired of seeing my hard earned money taken from me every week, and watching the entity that takes it piss it away

    Rail against the union all you want but creat another thread to do it NOT THIS ONE

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    toyota again

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    If this was a Ford/GM would this happen?

     

    NHTSA confirmed receiving complaints, which are a matter of public record, but would not comment further. A Toyota spokesman said no formal investigation is under way, but added that Internet traffic and other complaints had made the company aware of the concerns.

     

    What happens next is uncertain. The government could launch a formal investigation and, if it were to find evidence of a safety defect, could work with the automaker to find a fix, which might ultimately lead to a recall. Toyota could also take action on its own.

     

    For now, though, owners have expressed frustration that their complaints are being ignored by Toyota dealers.

     

    Not likely!

    Toyota Cover-Ups

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted · Edited by BT

    Original artical : http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyo...7792,full.story

     

     

    * The automaker knew of a dangerous steering defect in vehicles including the 4Runner sport utility vehicle for years before issuing a recall in Japan in 2004. But it told regulators no recall was necessary in the U.S., despite having received dozens of complaints from drivers. Toyota said a subsequent investigation led it to order a U.S. recall in 2005.

     

    * Toyota has paid cash settlements to people who say their vehicles have raced out of control, sometimes causing serious accidents, according to consumers and their attorneys. Other motorists who complained of acceleration problems with their vehicles have received buybacks under lemon laws.

     

    * Although the sudden acceleration issue erupted publicly only in recent months, it has been festering for nearly a decade. A computerized search of NHTSA records by The Times has found Toyota issued eight previous recalls related to unintended acceleration since 2000, more than any other automaker.

     

    * A former Toyota lawyer who handled safety litigation has sued the automaker, accusing it of engaging in a "calculated conspiracy to prevent the disclosure of damaging evidence" as part of a scheme to "prevent evidence of its vehicles' structural shortcomings from becoming known" to plaintiffs lawyers, courts, NHTSA and the public.

     

    Last line in the article:

     

    "This is clearly information that Toyota does not want the public to see," Tracy said. "For years, they were the gold standard, but right now they have more problems than they know what to do with."

     

     

    Please feel free to copy and paste this and E-Mail it to all your Toyota loving friends, we all have assholes in our lives!!!

    STAP VOTE

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    I don't see how you are more "screwed" with this package than with the old one, maybe you could explain it to me, or did you think Ford would come running back to the table with a better package if we turned it down? :banghead:

    Ford started to restructor in 2002 after the Firestone Tire cluster F%$. It will report a year over year profit THIS year, even better resultes NEXT and would have had 1 F%^$ of a time in Sept 2011 saying they have no money for a new product or investment in the car. What we should have gotten in this deal was the 200 Mill that was for a refresh in 06 but went to the TC instead. The car would have lasted ? more years. Jast admit to yourself that your union threw you under a bus pure and simple.

    STAP VOTE

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    Take your anger and place the blame where it belongs.

     

    I will and it's at the union. If you've read any of my earlier posts this car launched in our plant in april 1983. They threw everyone hire to build that car under a bus.

     

     

     

    We knew back in 2005 that the CV, GM, & TC WERE DONE IN 2011.

     

     

     

    I'm a Ford shareholder i get there prispectise (F^&^%* the spelling). They know 5 year ago, never admitted to it, then allowed the company to walk away on ever person hire to build the CV & GM unless you meet there defined tirmes.

     

     

    Even more shamefull is to lay the blame on on our local reps.

    It is what it is, No Auto pact, not enough market share, to many plants not working to their full capabilities and a COMPANY willing to kill off a good car.it was FORD not the CAW

    I suguest that my fellow 1520 members give thanks to the CAW for a severance package that many many people from other jobs whom have been placed on the employment and welfare lines due to no severance of any kind at all from company greed backed by a goverment that is part of the problem and not willing to do the right thing by looking out for it's people. The goverment has carried out the plan of the WTO in having 2 classes of working stiffs the min wage earner and the dirty rotten rich white collar.

    Proud to be UNION

     

     

    I'm grateful to Ford for what i have. I have earned (NOONE has given me it not Ford NOT the CAW ) a good life. It's shameful that the day after we sign this the company anounses 1bn and my union rushed me to vote on this deal. it shameful when you can STOP LOOK @ THE #"S and see how you really got f@&^*& .

     

     

    1 year longer till 2012 and almost 500 ppl got 28.1 years of service. we all fall 3 to 9 month short and get NOTHING.

     

    Be Proud . I'm the son of a union rep , I'm NOT.

    Now I got to go to work.

    Have a good day

    STAP VOTE

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted · Edited by BT

    It was basically a scare tactic , people were voting before the question period was even started . The entire membership was still in a semi state of shock from the news and not one person at the vote was able to make an educated decision , myself included . The CAW absolutely needs to allow time for the membership to review the tentative offer like the UAW .

    You wheren't give time to make an informed decision because if you had time figure it all the ramifications you would have told them to got fuck themself. NOONE hired since Ford moved the C.V. to STAP and started production in April 1983 will be eligable to retire unless you they are 50 years old. Back then Ford could discriminatate against almost anyone and age discrimination wasn't consided a crime but it is today. I'm not sure that the launguage in the contract can't be challenged. Some might need a lawyer?

    STAP VOTE

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    The plant was united "No Product No Concession Vote No" right up until saturdays vote. Fuckin chicken shits. New slogin "No product, No Job, No Balls"

     

    AGREED!!!!!

     

    "No product, No Job, No Balls"

     

    YOU FUCK'N IDIOTS!!!

    CAW press release

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    The 1600 weren't lost with this contract....they were lost a few years back. Ford has never once said that STAP might not close. The results of this contract did nothing to alter the inevitable.....

    True....

    But the timing hurts a lot working their. Especially if you don't fall into one of the "DEFINED" groups. If your not 50 or 28.1 regardless how many years you have like say 28.0 and 49.11. Ford brought the CV,GM to STAP in the summer 1983. I got hired in the first batch of EE's since 1980 when they built Lynx their. Ford didn't hire anyone in almost 4 years. I got hired December 1983. Over the next few years Ford hired quite a few PPL at STAP...... If we got an extention for 1 year it would have put almost 400 more PPL eligable to retire with 28.1. Some PPL may feel they have the right to bitch.

    Watch out Oakville and St. Thomas

    in Ford Employee Forum

    Posted

    Wow sure caught me off guard.Hired in 87 and will have no buyout option.I'll get what I would of even without the closing agreement.(2 yrs sub 1 year imp)Can't collect pension till 2017.As the sister said at the meeting there is approx 400 of u in the same boat who the union did absolutely nothing for.Older guys with over 28 also didn't get anything.I'm guessing any yes votes come from low senority or the small group of 26-28 year guys.

    It'll be interesting to see Oakville and Windsor's take as their is nothing in stone for them other then losses to what they have.IMO I just don't see how thi has a chance of passing even with the union's scare tactics that FMC will leave Canada.

    I guess an ok for a young person that has a job lined up but everyone else in all locations sure took it without lube.

    There aren't that many that are in the the 26 - 28 year range. I'm about 120/130 in senority in the plant right now and when we close in Sept. 2011 I will have 27.9 years. I'll be 48. I started in December 83.

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