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ok tooltime, my calculations were off.
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At Ford Brookpark, no one is allowed to work 16hr days. The max is 12.
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You would probably get a response if anyone knew what the hell you were talking about.
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They had a party for Mullaly when they told him he got 13.8 million. They didn't make him sit around waiting and get pissed.
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Sounds like you pretty much live there too. Profit sharing is figured out on your straight time hours. The most you can work is 84 hours a week. (12x7days). The factor is 3.9 per hour. At $13,400 you worked 85 per week. How is that possible? Unless you took no vacation time.
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Weekly pay and profit sharing not posted. Anyone else have this problem?
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I remember reading somewhere that Romeo secured a new product during the 2011 negotiations. Does anyone know what the product is or when it will be announced? I know Cleveland and Lima have already announced their products.
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Cleveland engine plants approve the agreement yesterday by 57%
Do we like the tentative agreement? no. Do we think a strike is gonna get us more? no. Do we think the Company executives are corporate swine? yes. In this day and age where there is 10% unemployment, they company has you by the balls. They have a bottomless pit of replacement workers waiting to work your job if there is a strike. In reality, it is sad to say that if you strike you may lose more than what they offered. So Cleveland did what they had to do. Your Family comes first and you need your job to take care of them.
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Cleveland engine plants approve the agreement yesterday by 57%
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True, I haven't seen any concessions. Some complainers claiming it, but not true. What do you expect when the NO voters have nothing, they make shit up.
No concessions?? What about taking away legal services in 2013. What about taking away 10 percent of our profit sharing money to fund VEBA. What about raising co-pays on prescription drugs by 3% a year. And most importantly, all that was suspended in concessions of 2009 were just that. SUSPENDED. We ratify, everything is gone.
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GM took the workers’ money and doesn’t want to give it back. They want to make the concessions permanent.
The tentative GM contract means this: GM will give the workers a signing bonus of $5,000 (before taxes), plus three $1,000 bonuses (before taxes) and GM will get to keep all of the concessions that they have taken from the workers.
NO raises, NO COLA, NO performance bonuses, NO Christmas bonuses, NO Easter Monday holiday, NO overtime after 8 hours, NO return of lost break time. NO end to skilled trades consolidation. Everything the workers wanted back, GM said “NO, NO, NO.”
First tier autoworkers lost up to $30,000 in concessions over the last several years. Now GM wants to continue these concessions for another 4 years. At what cost to us? Lose another $30,000? All for $8,000 in bonuses?
The biggest concession is that 2-tier will continue.
This contract does not bring up the 2nd-tier workers up to first tier. This contract keeps them permanent 2nd-tier, with no path to move up to first tier. The pay increase, $3.50/hour, spread over 4 years, does not even make up for money that GM 2nd-tier workers lost in the 2009 concessions when their wages were frozen and they lost bonuses. There is also no cap on the number of 2nd-tier workers. The percentage of 2nd-tier workers will increase, which means the threat of everyone being eventually reduced to 2nd-tier will increase.
The profit-sharing formula is supposed to be improved, by including North American operations instead of just the U.S. But what is to keep GM from now shifting profits to overseas operations or their financial arm? Do you trust GM? There is also a cap on profit-sharing when there didn't used to be one. How is that an improvement? And there is no guarantee of ANY profit-sharing.
Worst of all, they want to pit active workers against retirees by taking away 10% of profit-sharing and diverting it to the VEBA. Of course, we want to help retirees. The VEBA is underfunded because GM didn’t adequately fund it in 2007 and then further reduced it in 2009. The company has all the money, the company should fund it.
New retirees will take another hit because for the first contract ever, there is no increase in the 30-and-out pension. Current retirees get no increase while prices keep going up.
There are promises of 6,400 new jobs. Most of these jobs will be for 2nd-tier wages, IF the promises of jobs are even kept. In the 2007 contract and 2009 modifications, we were promised that concessions would save and create more jobs. But in 2007, GM had 73,500 workers. Today GM has 48,000 workers. What happened to those promises for new jobs?
When these concessions were taken away from us, they wanted us to believe that when the companies were reporting a profit again, we would get back what we gave up. It was all a lie.
They want us to accept that these concessions will be permanent. But we don’t have to willingly accept that our families’ standard of living will be permanently reduced, while our bosses are the only ones who prosper from our hard work.
Gary Walkowicz Bargaining Committeeman, Dearborn Truck Plant, Local 600
gwalk32@att.net (313) 737-3166 September 20, 2011
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If you go back and read his post, he only said we had the "power" to vote no.
I have the right to vote. That, by definition, includes the right to vote no.
Why you going off on the man? Is your vote already a "YES"?
Well, someone here has the brains to figure out what I really said. And for the other guys information, anything lost is a concession!
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I have no problem with what Bob King is trying to do. If this is the Gary, the major complainer about Entry Level and all that is the UAW--what is your problem? King is attempting to increase Entry Level wages by keeping work in our plants. What is wrong with that? Oh what is wrong is that someone like you, who can retire already and probably gets OT for not working as an elected official wants more money. Greed kills and greedy people like Gary are killing the UAW. If you listen to him, we won't have a union in 10 years. I prefer to have continued work at my plant and to help the Entry Level employees at contract time whether I get a pay raise or not. Or you can follow Gary off the cliff.
For your information, I am not who you think I am. I do not have the seniority to retire and work my ass off on the line. I also do not work in MI. I was trying to make a point. If you read the article it says King is bargaining a "slight increase in entry level wages". We have given up a lot. We have not had a wage increase since 2003. In the concessions
we did not vote to "give up" anything. We voted to suspend COLA, Sub weeks, OT after 8hrs, etc. Suspend means "To render temporarily ineffective:" It's in the dictionary. Look it up. Also, not negotiating what the members want is bad faith bargaining. You say plants received more work because of the entry level workers, maybe in your case. Where are the Fiesta, Fusion, Edge, Transit connect, made. Ford is going to do what they want no matter what you agree to. In one of the cuts that the membership voted to suspend OT after 8 hrs. You don't need a Union for OT after 40 hrs. Its federal wage law. Suspend or render temporarily ineffective was to mean to most of the members Until they are once again profitable.They proved they are. They gave Mullaly 86mil plus all of the salaried employees back everything after a few months. Your sort of right. The way the UAW is going, we won't have a union in 10 years. So those who were offended by a simple statement I made "we have the power to vote no" screw you. I didn't say vote no. Read it.
We were screwed out of 30 grand and they will screw you again. Remember the 40,000 member greivance on equity of sacrifice? I never hardly write on this sight because assholes like you. And i am sure there will be further negative remarks on my post. For those of you wanting to write one, go ahead. Consider yourself an asshole ahead of time.
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UPDATE 3-UAW's King hopes for early auto talks settlement
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Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:39pm EDT
* Broad framework for agreement appears set
* UAW asking for slight 2nd-tier pay raise, profit-sharing
* UAW seeks cost-of-living allowance for Ford workers
* UAW Ford workers to vote on strike authorization (Adds labor cost issue)
By Bernie Woodall
DETROIT, Aug 17 (Reuters) - United Auto Workers President Bob King told union officials in a closed-door meeting he hopes to wrap up contract negotiations with Detroit automakers by mid-September, a person who attended the session said.
The comments by King on Tuesday represent the clearest signal yet the UAW is moving on a fast track in talks with the three Detroit automakers and could have a deal with each by Sept. 14 when the current contracts expire.
A quick contract settlement would be positive for Ford, General Motors Co (GM.N) and Chrysler Group LLC at a time when the Detroit automakers are looking to contain costs in the face of uncertain consumer demand.
King made the comments in a meeting at a hotel in Chicago with union leaders representing all of Ford Motor Co's (F.N) U.S. plants, a union official who attended the meeting and asked not to be named told Reuters.
Joel Cutcher-Gershenfeld, dean of the School of Labor and Employment Relations at the University of Illinois, said the UAW leadership had been sending signals that it expects contract deals more quickly than in previous rounds.
"Interests are more aligned now than they have been for a while," said Cutcher-Gershenfeld. "This time around, the issues that Bob King has signaled are an accurate signal of where these negotiations will go."
The last contract talks were held in 2007 but the union remained in almost constant discussions with automakers through the near collapse of the industry in 2008 and 2009.
King, who became UAW president in the summer of 2010, has said daily dialogue between union leaders and labor representatives at GM, Ford and Chrysler is part of a less adversarial relationship than in the past.
At Tuesday's meeting, UAW officials representing Ford plants authorized strike votes to be completed by Sept. 2, said Jimmy Settles, UAW vice president in charge of Ford negotiations.
"We will be taking routine strike authorization votes through September 2," said Settles. "This is a normal part of negotiations and something we have done historically as part of bargaining."
Settles declined to comment on other issues discussed in Chicago.
Ford is the only automaker the UAW could strike in the current round of contract talks. The terms of the 2009 U.S. government bailouts of GM and Chrysler Group LLC prohibit strikes. Chrysler has been managed by Italy's Fiat SpA (FIA.MI) since it emerged from bankruptcy in 2009.
PROFIT-SHARING, NOT WAGE RISE
King said at Tuesday's meeting that, instead of seeking wage increases for all 112,000 UAW-represented workers at the three automakers, negotiators would ask for profit-sharing from the companies, according to the person present.
"Bob King said that (union negotiators) want some upfront money (for workers), and it was clear that they are not going to bargain for any pay raises," said the person.
Each of the companies have signaled they like profit-sharing instead of wage increases because they are one-time costs that do not compound and accrue over time.
But King told the group negotiators will seek a "slight pay increase for second-tier workers," the person said.
Second-tier worker, also known as entry-level workers, are paid about $14.50 per hour to start, about half the pay of veteran UAW-represented auto workers.
King said negotiators will also seek a cost-of-living allowance from Ford, but was not specific, the person added.
Over the past five years, the UAW has agreed to a series of concessions that have brought labor costs for the U.S. automakers closer to those of foreign automakers with U.S. plants such as Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T), Nissan Motor Co (7201.T) and Honda Motor Co (7267.T).
Hourly wages and benefits for UAW-represented workers at the U.S. automakers have fallen to within several dollars of Japanese automakers with U.S. plants, down from a gap of $25 or so in 2007, company executives have said.
The automakers want to pare health care costs in order to narrow the labor cost gap even further, executives with the companies have said
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/17/uaw-idusn1e77g0fr20110817?RPC=49
Is King Bargaining in our best interest or his. We have the power to vote no!
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UPDATE 3-UAW's King hopes for early auto talks settlement
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Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:39pm EDT
* Broad framework for agreement appears set
* UAW asking for slight 2nd-tier pay raise, profit-sharing
* UAW seeks cost-of-living allowance for Ford workers
* UAW Ford workers to vote on strike authorization (Adds labor cost issue)
By Bernie Woodall
DETROIT, Aug 17 (Reuters) - United Auto Workers President Bob King told union officials in a closed-door meeting he hopes to wrap up contract negotiations with Detroit automakers by mid-September, a person who attended the session said.
The comments by King on Tuesday represent the clearest signal yet the UAW is moving on a fast track in talks with the three Detroit automakers and could have a deal with each by Sept. 14 when the current contracts expire.
A quick contract settlement would be positive for Ford, General Motors Co (GM.N) and Chrysler Group LLC at a time when the Detroit automakers are looking to contain costs in the face of uncertain consumer demand.
King made the comments in a meeting at a hotel in Chicago with union leaders representing all of Ford Motor Co's (F.N) U.S. plants, a union official who attended the meeting and asked not to be named told Reuters.
Joel Cutcher-Gershenfeld, dean of the School of Labor and Employment Relations at the University of Illinois, said the UAW leadership had been sending signals that it expects contract deals more quickly than in previous rounds.
"Interests are more aligned now than they have been for a while," said Cutcher-Gershenfeld. "This time around, the issues that Bob King has signaled are an accurate signal of where these negotiations will go."
The last contract talks were held in 2007 but the union remained in almost constant discussions with automakers through the near collapse of the industry in 2008 and 2009.
King, who became UAW president in the summer of 2010, has said daily dialogue between union leaders and labor representatives at GM, Ford and Chrysler is part of a less adversarial relationship than in the past.
At Tuesday's meeting, UAW officials representing Ford plants authorized strike votes to be completed by Sept. 2, said Jimmy Settles, UAW vice president in charge of Ford negotiations.
"We will be taking routine strike authorization votes through September 2," said Settles. "This is a normal part of negotiations and something we have done historically as part of bargaining."
Settles declined to comment on other issues discussed in Chicago.
Ford is the only automaker the UAW could strike in the current round of contract talks. The terms of the 2009 U.S. government bailouts of GM and Chrysler Group LLC prohibit strikes. Chrysler has been managed by Italy's Fiat SpA (FIA.MI) since it emerged from bankruptcy in 2009.
PROFIT-SHARING, NOT WAGE RISE
King said at Tuesday's meeting that, instead of seeking wage increases for all 112,000 UAW-represented workers at the three automakers, negotiators would ask for profit-sharing from the companies, according to the person present.
"Bob King said that (union negotiators) want some upfront money (for workers), and it was clear that they are not going to bargain for any pay raises," said the person.
Each of the companies have signaled they like profit-sharing instead of wage increases because they are one-time costs that do not compound and accrue over time.
But King told the group negotiators will seek a "slight pay increase for second-tier workers," the person said.
Second-tier worker, also known as entry-level workers, are paid about $14.50 per hour to start, about half the pay of veteran UAW-represented auto workers.
King said negotiators will also seek a cost-of-living allowance from Ford, but was not specific, the person added.
Over the past five years, the UAW has agreed to a series of concessions that have brought labor costs for the U.S. automakers closer to those of foreign automakers with U.S. plants such as Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T), Nissan Motor Co (7201.T) and Honda Motor Co (7267.T).
Hourly wages and benefits for UAW-represented workers at the U.S. automakers have fallen to within several dollars of Japanese automakers with U.S. plants, down from a gap of $25 or so in 2007, company executives have said.
The automakers want to pare health care costs in order to narrow the labor cost gap even further, executives with the companies have said
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/17/uaw-idusn1e77g0fr20110817?RPC=49
Is King Bargaining in our best interest or his. We have the power to vote no!
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I know that some of the ford facilities are already smoke free. These places usually have smoking "shelters".
I am wondering about the plants that you can currently smoke in. I have not heard of any plans to accommodate smokers at Sterling. Just some cessation literature.
How do you see this playing out at your location? Any talk of accommodating those who do not wish to quit? How will Ford enforce this?
Will this affect the operations at your location?
I believe this new law will be interesting at the minimum. Both how Ford handles it and how the workers react to it.
In Ohio, there is no smoking in any building or workplace. The only exception is that nursing homes require a room for in patient smoking. (this is because they want them dead and don't have to pay medicare or SS). Saying that there is no smoking permitted at the Cleveland Casting Plant (foundry) is like putting up a no sex sign in a whore house. Apparently, Ford wants to kill you with there own chemicals and don't want you to bring your own. With all the smoke, dust, silica sand, and chemicals in the foundry, cigarette smoke is the least of ones problem. But in our case, its not Ford, it is the stupid Ohio Lawmakers that should have eliminated smoking to "clean" work places not filthy ones. And then there are the do-gooder snitches who bitch and call the smoking violation hotline. It smells so bad in most of the place, you can't smell cigarette smoke. But the pricks will turn you in in a minute if they see you. Its nothing other than Government wanting to control your life. What a joke!
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We voted at Brookpark today. The Union had meetings with the membership yesterday and stressed the fact that if we don't vote yes, we won't get new work. And guess what? It passed 61 to 39 percent. The slogan was "Vote yes for your future". The Future the way I see it is ,making half the wage and paying half the benefits. I just don't understand how people can be this stupid!
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How to get a medical restriction in 9 simple steps:
Step 1:
Tell supervisor you just hurt yourself on the job and that you need to go to medical right away, act like you fucked your back up. (make sure someone sees you or hears your complaints).
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Get a pass from super, report to medial and see the doctor.
Step 3:
You always want to tell the doctor you did something outside of the work description to fix your work station, that caused your back injury but that you followed all work processes while doing so (put on a little act).
Step 4:
Doctor will ask you to try various things like walking on tip toes, bending your back, always show the "ohh face" and act like your babying the injury.
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For a back injury the doctor always will check the reflexes in the ankles and knees. this is how they determine weather or not you should have a restriction. It's not the "ohh face" that does it, is my point.
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You need to focus and concentrate on not moving one leg at all when she tests your reflexes on that knee or ankle, especially the ankle. If your leg does not respond, she will issue a restriction.
Step 7:
Now to place the injury in the liability of the company you simply have to make sure you told the doctor in the beginning that you had to "Fix" something because you were pressured by the supervisor to keep the line running else you wouldn't be able to do your job and that is when you got hurt.
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Tell the doctor the supervisor was standing 10 feet away from you when you got hurt and that him/her refused to issue a medial pass right away. The Doctor will be pissed. This enforces the issuance of the restriction. Doctors don't like it when people are denied medial care for their own selfish reasons (production).
At this point, PT will prob be issued and paid for by comp, and as long as each time you revisit the doctor you tell her your injury still hurts, she will have to keep giving you a restriction because the company does not want a litigation matter over it.
And that my friends is how you get a work restriction in 9 simple steps. Great for pissing off supervisors that you hate!!!!
And this is why people that really do have a problem get denied benefits. Its people like you who are causing the problem. If you did do this, I hope you are caught and Fired and prosecuted!!
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Oh and by the way, Why would they take concessions. They put a lot of work in to destroy us.
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Has anyone seen a list of concessions that Ron Middlefinger , Bob King and all of their cronies will be taking when our package passes by 51% ????
They will be discussing this issue in their meeting at a posh resort in Las Vegas. The subject will come up breifly in a timeout between the roulette table and the craps table at the MGM Grand.
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To bad Lima has the HIGHEST quality engines in the world.
Cleveland Plant 1 did in 06-07 and then they closed to retool. But by Cleveland voting in favor of concessions to help Ford get back on their feet and Lima voting it down, who do you think is gonna get new work? Not Lima! You people were unwilling to help out your Company and I don't see th Company willing to help you.
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You need a reality check.
Our $3,000,000 per year consession won't bail Ford out when they are burning 1 billion a month.
VOTE NO!!!!!![/size]
Solidarity
Three milliion dollar concession? I wish I made that?
Vote NO!
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Yeah vote no and a bankruptsy judge can decide what your pay and benefits will be. Don't be fucking stupid. You don't take the company to the mat when its allready on its back.
Whether you vote yes or no, if they are gonna go bancrupt they will anyway. Voting yes will only open the door for more concessions.
Vote NO!
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Didn't understand what you meant when I first saw your posting. Everything is run together and some words misspelled.