keith and Eddie

[uawworker]

Keith, Is not a Vice President just a wanna be President. I know you want it, you want it bad. You would even weaken your own Union by creating policitial dissent. ala. Doom-Browning. Didn't you learn your lesson from them. Eddie, you need to brush up on your people skills in order to be anything even close to a decent committee-person. Your a wiz on the computer, it doesn't involve dealing with directly with people. You're great at being behind a screen projecting your views, but a little too timid for real life. Your secret agenda is ride on the back Keith, you can't do it on your own. Keith, your last Beacon article was weak. Way too many exclamation points!!!!! It was difficult to read, no flow. I had to read the first paragraph several times, and still didn't understand what point you were trying to get across. With practice maybe someday you'll get better. Or maybe your son will assist you someday, if you're lucky. Keep up the dissention you guys, or learn to work together while there is still something left. Your choice.

 

And here is a question for you. Answer it honestly, imaging all of the folks at the plants that are being shut down are listening. Imagine too that Bill Ford is listening. Here it is, ready? Answer honestly and directly, What do you do, to add value to the products and business of Ford Motor Company?

[WixomRealityCheck]

You should probably edit your own posts before scrutinizing someone else's writing abilities...just a thought... :shrug:

[R&ECenter]

Keith writes his own articles. Keith and Ed are highly respected by the Local 245 membership you have been slamming all day long. The same can not be said about our President.

 

He is incapable of writing an article. The biggest complaint we hear about the Beacon is Mario's articles. They are "copy and paste" internet crap that never applies to the R&E Center or any of the Units of Local 245. It is widely known that you, Paul Gueresso, "write" them. People laugh about it all the time. It's not your fault Paul. You and Mario are never in the R&E Center or other Units: How can either of you know what is going on?

 

Mario is a joke. The members are taking action to rid themselves of him (and your lame articles).

 

See you around "Sell-out".

Edited September 3, 2006 by R&ECenter

[uawworker]

You didn't answer my question. What do you do to add value to the bottom line of Ford Motor Company? Don't attack Mario. He isn't even here. Your distraction is another sign of your weakness. Tell the people at the plant locations that about to close what it is that YOU do to create value for the company. Very simple, answer the question. Now change your screen ID name again, and answer this very simple question.

 

You didn't answer my question. What do you do to add value to the bottom line of Ford Motor Company? Don't attack Mario. He isn't even here. Your distraction is another sign of your weakness. Tell the people at the plant locations that about to close what it is that YOU do to create value for the company. Very simple, answer the question. Now change your screen ID name again, and answer this very simple question.

Come on big fella. You can do it!!!!!!!!!!! Quit attacking defenseless Mario and step up to the pump. Let's pretend your gandureous ambition comes true and you become president. If you ever actually became President, what would you say to Mr. Ford when he asks you what value you add to Ford Motor Company.

Plain, simple and direct.

[grindliner1968]

And here is a question for you. Answer it honestly, imaging all of the folks at the plants that are being shut down are listening. Imagine too that Bill Ford is listening. Here it is, ready? Answer honestly and directly, What do you do, to add value to the products and business of Ford Motor Company?

 

 

First. I am neither Keith nor Ed, nor do I hold either an Elected or Appointed position within Local 245, or the R&E Bargaining Unit, nor do I have any family ties. So I have no one covering my arse but myself.

 

 

Second. How can you ask us what value we add, given one of your sibs track record?????

 

 

 

Third. Ever heard of the author Sun Tzu? do a search on Amazon, you will soon discover Ford Motor Co's. M.O. as far as the UAW is concerned.

[uawworker]

Eddie, if Keith won't answer, perhaps you will for him. What do you two do there at R & E? All I have seen for the past several weeks are attacks on Mario. For weeks or months all you have done is spead negativity. Do you get paid to slander Mario? Now here is your chance, I know your looking. What do you do that is positive for Ford Motor Company. We know you hate Mario, we don't want that answer again. What do you guys do that adds value? I'm sure there are thousands of assembly line brothers and sisters that want to know what Keith and Eddie do there. They know you can attack a defenseless person, but can you claim to be an asset to the company and the union. If you cannot answer this fellas, then what kind of President to expect to be someday. This question will not escape you until it is answered. Good Day.

 

First. I am neither Keith nor Ed, nor do I hold either an Elected or Appointed position within Local 245, or the R&E Bargaining Unit, nor do I have any family ties. So I have no one covering my arse but myself.

Second. How can you ask us what value we add, given one of your sibs track record?????

Third. Ever heard of the author Sun Tzu? do a search on Amazon, you will soon discover Ford Motor Co's. M.O. as far as the UAW is concerned.

 

Yes, read "The Art of War" in the eighth grade. I'm happy to hear you have just discoverd this work. The art of deception and distraction, is you hiding behind your many screen names. You are so transparent my young grasshopper. And you have gained a nemesis that will not go away. Refer back to your Sun Tsu book. It says, never fight an opponent that has nothing to lose. You want to be President, I have no aspirations what so ever, other than justice. And it will be metered out. See you at the parade big fella.

[grindliner1968]

I don't "hate" Mario. Nor do I believe Keith or Eddie do. For that fact, I like Mario, whats not to like about him.

 

In fact, I even helped vote him back into office.

 

But, once I read the newspaper, I realized that Mario no longer represents my best intrest, nor my brothers and sisters best intrest. Therefore, I made up my mind that he needs to go, before he causes anymore harm.

 

Now it is time to vote him out of office.

 

 

 

Yes, read "The Art of War" in the eighth grade. I'm happy to hear you have just discoverd this work. The art of deception and distraction, is you hiding behind your many screen names. You are so transparent my young grasshopper. And you have gained a nemesis that will not go away. Refer back to your Sun Tsu book. It says, never fight an opponent that has nothing to lose. You want to be President, I have no aspirations what so ever, other than justice. And it will be metered out. See you at the parade big fella.

 

 

I believe you misunderstood my post, I am the one with nothing to lose!

Edited September 3, 2006 by grindliner1968

[uawworker]

And here we go round and round, If you are going to base your opinion of a person on a Detroit Free Press article obviously slanted against the UAW, then you are misled. And you obviously have nothing to lose, if you spend endless hours here posting negativity. Night Eddie. Perhaps a Dale Carnegie course would help you with your people skills. That goatee makes you look as if you're eating around the brown hole a little too much, maybe you like it there. Keith, keep posting here and pretending it's not you; your credibility will grow by leaps and bounds. Make up a few more screen names to post "I hate Mario messages" that way it'll look like more people are along with you. Grape Ape and Beagly Beagly, Keith and Eddie. Or more like of Mice and Men. "Yeah, Keith I can tend the rabits, right Keith, right? " "Sure Eddie, you can be the Vice President when I figure a way to get Mario out of office. I figure if I spend enough company time, I can convince people that he is bad, and I should be President, and when I am the President I will really make the local secretary cry, I already did it once, she cried when I threatened to eliminate her job. I really didn't like her neither, so I tried several different ways to get rid of her, just like the company does to us. When I am President, that secretary is really gonna get it. I couldn't get rid of her, so now I'll get rid of Mario, and then I can be President and eliminate the secretary position once and for all!!!!!!!Too many exclamation points." "But I get your old job right Grape Ape, right?" "Yeah, Eddie you can have my old job once I create enough dissention and get Mario's job."

[DSenstad]

I don't believe I have ever seen anyone who likes to see their thoughts... or lack of thoughts in writting as much as this guy, you are definately a politician but probably not much of anything else.

 

uawworker,

 

1) I doubt you do much work

2) What do you do to add value to add value to the bottom line at Ford Motor Company?

[uawworker]

And here is a question for you. Answer it honestly, imaging all of the folks at the plants that are being shut down are listening. Imagine too that Bill Ford is listening. Here it is, ready? Answer honestly and directly, What do you do, to add value to the products and business of Ford Motor Company?

 

I'm still waiting for an answer. The lack of a reply seems to answer it loud and clear.

[R&ECenter]

I'm still waiting for an answer. The lack of a reply seems to answer it loud and clear.

 

Or it proves that they have better things to do than fight on the internet.

 

:blah:

Edited September 3, 2006 by R&ECenter

[BlueMagic_1]

I don't believe I have ever seen anyone who likes to see their thoughts... or lack of thoughts in writting as much as this guy, you are definately a politician but probably not much of anything else.

 

uawworker,

 

1) I doubt you do much work

2) What do you do to add value to add value to the bottom line at Ford Motor Company?

 

uawworker is a fraud. He is trolling.

 

grindliner1968 exposed him earlier today.

 

I plan to ignore him from this point forward.

Edited September 3, 2006 by BlueMagic_1

[uawworker]

uawworker is a fraud. He is trolling.

 

grindliner1968 exposed him earlier today.

 

I plan to ignore him from this point forward.

 

It is not I who is the fraud. Compare these two situations and then ask yourself, who is the fraud.

 

Consider the assembly line worker in the assembly plant. During the course of an eight-hour shift, he adds nearly the entire eight hours in value to the product being produced. In a one-minute period, the period by which he or she is measured, at least 55-58 seconds of work or product value is performed. The remaining 2-5 seconds are to enable to return to the beginning of the workstation for the next incoming job. Each minute a vehicle arrives and at least 55 seconds of work is performed by the assembler in that minute. The assembler is literally chained to the line. This assembler cannot use the computer, bathroom, call his wife, or perform any other personal needs, at will. This guy or gal is truly earning their $24 per hour. They are adding value to the product immediately that is actually in excess of what they are being paid. These people account for about 50% of the total hourly and salary workforce at Ford. I’m sure you would agree there is no fraud by these hard working people.

 

Now, consider this situation. You have well paid Ford employees (they know who they are) at locations (you know where they are) where there is no production. They get paid even more in their eight-hour shift than the assembly line worker. In an eight-hour period, most of these people do at most, about 1-2 hours of work. (Of course there are some exceptions, but it applies to the majority) The remaining 6-7 hours per day, they spend on personal affairs. The work they do adds no value to an end product. Typically, they have furniture provided by the company, a phone and quite often, a computer at their disposal. They can go to the bathroom, surf the Internet, call their wife, pay their bills, or do whatever they please on company time. Now, you would think at these locations, the union would be tight and cohesive, to protect this gig. However, the opposite is true. They have some much extra time; it leads to gamesmanship and political infighting ala. Doom/Browning, Brown/Huddleston. Perhaps they do not know how good they have it, or feel they are entitled to this situation. How do you think the assembly plant workers feel, knowing they are being paid less and doing all of the work? This is where the fraud is, being paid to add no value. Being paid, to launch negative attacks on co-workers in the same union, rather than working together to preserve the good deal they have.

 

Now the only leg that have to stand on, is the fact that management is doing the exact same no-thing. You can’t expect the workers to add value if management is sitting. This is the root cause of the current problematic situation at Ford Motor. A culture has been created by the other 50% of the workforce, that is counter productive. And this is at the locations where the vehicles are being developed and tested. It is not a mystery why the company is lagging in product development and innovation. The culture where this function takes place is unbalanced. It has gotten to the point where a certain group of people at this location, and they are actually the ones who do the least work, feel that they are so entitled to having it this way, they are going to create political dissent and seize power. You should be smiling and getting along with every other person there. Instead you use company resources on company time (and off company time) to launch negativity campaigns. This is not only fraud, it is the sick and wrong type of fraud.

 

Now imagine, perhaps someday, that Ford Motor Company is acquired by another automaker or does a joint venture with an equal size auto company. Now an outsider will be looking in. How long do you think it will be (real quick) before this counterproductive culture at these locations is noticed? Do you think it will be overlooked as it currently is? The answer is so obvious it requires no response. You are now looking at one of the causes of Ford Motor’s problems. Perhaps if more energy were spent on working together rather than fighting, and finding new and better ways to do business, it would get better. Instead you see the immature behavior fostered by this environment and it’s negative effect on product design. Which is precisely the area where the company is suffering the most. Fraud? This is beyond fraud; this is an outright infection and drain on the company. And the biggest perpetrators of this inefficiency do not believe it is they. In their mind, they are not the problem. They are real quick to point the finger at others, “It’s not me, it’s him, look at him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” In psychological terms this is known as projecting. When you cast your underlying guilt at others to deflect it from yourself. There is a whole lot of negativity and projecting going on, and not a whole lot of value adding. Actually, it is not that great of a secret. Fields even made a comment that he would “sell the furniture, if it were necessary.” That was a direct comment made to those who sit at company furniture all day, and add little value. But it’s not you, or is it? Fields and Ford know, to make themselves an attractive merger candidate, this culture has to be completely re-created. No other company, other than Ford Motor, allows this to go on. Now I know those who will attack this thought, saying it is snitching or whatever, but rather, a dose of medicine is quickly needed. Otherwise the company could die. Don’t you see it; the company and the union are both suffering, while the internal political power grabbers fail to cease. Do you want it to be like a game of musical chairs, a few people fighting over the last piece of furniture? Or do you want to change, and work collectively to preserve as many chairs as we can? It is a simple, dichotomous choice. To quote Mark Fields, “Change or die.” Your choice. And no distraction, deception or continued negativity will prevent the inevitable from happening.

 

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[UAW900]

WOW...UAWworker is now embarrassing all of us LU900. Please stop your banter while your behind. Incidentally, it would lead me to believe that you are guilty of your own accusations: that being blaming Keith Ed and all of the Local 245 memebrs for you and your familys mistakes. No Accountability-Just like Ford. The memebr earlier in the day had it right: that is to ignore you. Good luck with your therapy, you need it.