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14 hours ago, Sherminator98 said:
The 2.0L ecoboost is only in the top end Bronco Sport Badlands trim also.
Well that poses an interesting question,
what if the Bronco Sport had a choice of 2.5 hybrid or 2.0 EB across the board. Combine that with
a second generation with longer wheelbase and I think Ford would have an irresistible package.
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Looking at Bronco Sport National dealer stock, about 85% (16,800) are 1.5 I-3 EB and 15% (3,200) are 2.0 EB
Seems like adding a 2.5 hybrid would eat into the already popular 1.5 EBs but Ford may see an opportunity
to push the more urban lifestyle of a good hybrid for those that like the Bronco Sport style but don’t go off road..
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4 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:
I thought the closest thing to the maverick was the bronco sport. Interesting.
Considering that the Bronco Sport arrived in year model 21 and Maverick in year model 22,
and both on C2 platform, there would be some alignment with parts supply but still some
distinct differences. The aim with Maverick was clearly to keep costs down but without it
looking cheap and nasty. That two vehicles could look so different on the same basic platform
is an absolute credit to Ford.
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15 hours ago, bzcat said:
Certainly it would be a lot cheaper and more effective for VW to replace ID.4 and Q4 with R2 based product. Especially if they are made in the US given the tariff on new cars will probably never go away even with a new administration.
I think it’s more that VW has run out of precious time and needs something already developed
so it cen get into production much faster than its own designs. BYD and co are banging at the door.
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17 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:
Ford, please promote the people who played a critical role in creating the maverick into senior leadership positions within the company. These are people who truly understand the importance of making a ground breaking, game changing product, and who also know how to innovate and differentiate products in ways that are very smart.
Whoever proposed for Ford to offer a hybrid powertrain in the maverick so it would surpass the fuel economy of economy sedans and hatchbacks was legitimately a genius. That decision single handedly turned the maverick from a cool product, into a got to have it product.
Jim Baumbick lead the original team to quickly develop the concept of Maverick in three months flat.
production development took the usual time but in my opinion, mostly done well considering it was
based on the Transit Connect version of C2.
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39 minutes ago, akirby said:
I think that’s a given.Sometimes it has a to be spelled out because a lot of folks still don’t understand this “Ford logic”
progressively eliminating the V6 from Explorer, then call it a commodity vehicle like the old Crown Vic.
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I find it slightly amusing that the reason Ford pulled out of the Rivian based Lincoln SUV
was because the electrical system was incompatible with Ford’s own electrical architecture.
It was las though Ford had to evolve and grow through a process of refinement before it could see
what was truly needed. I guess that’s way, way better than making one costly mistake after another..
As I see it, getting a stable supply of batteries is the foundation that Ford needs established and then,
it can go to town with rolling out plenty of hybrids, PHEVs and BEVs to its heart’s content.
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I just thought of something else, by now Ford was supposed to have the GE2 BEV 3- Row Utility.
I have to imagine that the continued delaying over years and silent cancellation have meant many
changes and mis steps to what is done with Explorer, it’s refreshes and high series options.
Was Ford caught economising Explorer, changing long run supplier contracts because of the
3- row BEV that’s now been cancelled?
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On 7/3/2025 at 11:38 PM, rmc523 said:
Eh, it's not bad looking, but I've always liked Navigator better. The GM triplets do look more athletic. I actually like the Escalade IQ's looks too.
I think it stems back to Ford dropping the ball on the 3rd gen Navigator with weird styling, and then they hung it (and Expy) out to dry for way too long before finally redesigning it. The 18 was a massive step forward, and sales have gone up, but they set themselves back years ago and haven't recovered yet (vs. Escalade). Obviously there are other factors like factory space and whatnot that were pointed out above, but still...
Black label went part of the way towards matching the level of customised interior trim selection in Escalade,
I think that’s still an issue for the high end buyers plus those people probably expect a V8 to go with top money.
You can see that Ford is not interested in going down those rabbit holes, mostly because it has been
gearing up
for a 3-Row BEV Lincoln for years but simply can’t get that done (Rivian based Lincoln) until T3 3-Row SUV drops.
Looks like Lincoln is still stuck between two plans?
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LOL, Groundhog Day for Ford and VW?
All of this has a very familiar ring to it,
Rivian based Lincoln 3-row utility for one.
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15 minutes ago, twintornados said:
How many 2.3L EB's??
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9 hours ago, morgan20 said:
Doesn't Tesla still get a bunch of net income from selling emissions and related regulatory credits to other companies?
Yes, worth $2.76 billion last year
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At the moment, there’s over 1,200 platinum 3.0 V6s available at Ford dealers nationwide,
so looks like maybe Ford is dropping the 3.0 V6 in Platinum because of low take rate?
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8 hours ago, Rick73 said:
The BYD Shark 6 PHEV (EREV) is a heavy pickup that is reported not as energy efficient in actual normal driving as its rating would suggest. With Ranger having such short EV driving range, I wonder if owners will pay the higher price premium if real-world fuel economy improvements do not justify added cost? Unless of course government doesn’t give buyers a choice.
BYD Shark is not very economical on gas, particularly at higher speeds, but at least its longer EV driving range could offset much of the higher fuel consumption. Perhaps that longer EV range combined with lower cost could help sales relative to Ranger PHEV? Not sure how either pickup is doing in sales. Reports suggest Ranger is a nicer truck overall, I’m just wondering about PHEV price premium and perceived added value.
The big issue with diesel pickups and lots of short trips where the diesel particle filter block up because they don’t get hot enough to burn particles off or do regen cycle. This is becoming costly maintenance for those owners and the gasoline hybrid may offer them a neat way to avoid this as well as take advantage of Australia’s cheaper petrol prices vs diesel.
Something you might find interesting but be warned, these reviewers tend to be Toyota biased…something weird happened on the first leg with the two Chinese pickups using a lot of fuel
while Ranger’s normal fuel usage was down played. I think there was a big issue
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On 6/25/2025 at 3:55 AM, bzcat said:
US spec Ranger 2.3T makes 270hp and the same engine is rated 185hp in AUS spec PHEV (without the PHEV part). I'm sure Ford didn't detune it by 30% 😆
The AUS spec PHEV is rated at 207KW which is 278hp. Crazy coincidence that PHEV and ICE Ranger have almost the same hp rating? Right... 🙃
As Ford rep Jim Baumbick briefly mentioned, their goal was diesel or better performance.
For emissions purposes, it’s a clever relocating of power and torque into the electric side
and even though a PHEV with relatively small battery and range, it still functions effectively
as a hybrid on launches, delivering most of the perceived lost performance.
so yeah 207 Kw (278 hp) 697 nm (516 lb ft)
On 6/25/2025 at 3:55 AM, bzcat said:Ranger PHEV is Ford Australia's greenwash vehicle and is being closely watched by the Govt regulators since Ranger is either #1 or #2 selling vehicle in AUS and NZ. Australia introduced a new system similar to CAFE where car companies will be fined if they go over some kind of corporate fuel economy target.
It's what it says on the spec sheet but some website or magazine will be able to do some 0-100 km/h or 1/4 mile test and strap it to a dyno and we will find out soon enough.
US spec Ranger 2.3T does 0-60 mph around 6.5 seconds in various tests. I will take the under if I'm a betting man when an Australian magazine or website do their test on Ranger PHEV.
But here’s the thing, Ford also cleverly clipped the power so that the PHEV couldn’t get close to Ranger Raptor performance.
I think that was unfortunate because it would have offered a pathway to the future and an alternative to brute force ICE power
while keeping the likes of BYD Shark 6 and Great Wall Cannon Alpha PHEV pickups at bay - both of those perform better.
Maybe Ford isn’t ready to give up all those AU$94,000 Ranger Raptor sales just yet….
Ford South Africa also makes the Amorok in V6 diesel but also a 2.3 EB versions,
I guess people could buy that if they wanted but it’s also limited to a high series trim
so the cost is more than the Ranger PHEV XLT
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1 hour ago, Sherminator98 said:
From what I could dig up, other CARB States are implementing Advanced Clean Cars II in 2027...but even the CARB website is really light on information of what exactly Advanced Clean Cars II is outside of moving to 100% of ZEVs and more stringent emissions standards.
But like you said, I think this is just a cost savings thing not to get it certified, because you'd think you'd be hearing more about this from the industry if it was really a big issue with current powertrains.
Absolutely and mostly because of final parts orders from suppliers.
In the final 12 months, the build profile is locked in so all required parts can be ordered, the 2026 year model could be an extension on that for what is available at this later stage.
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On 6/21/2025 at 10:38 AM, Biker16 said:
They are getting what they deserve.
And you can see that the only reason that Stellantis kept North America manufacturing
was to harvest money for its European brands, they could
care less about Ram, Jeep and Dodge and thats sad……
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A big part of future CE1 model roll out and timing is now about what Ford does
with its ICE PHEVs that people now seem more open to buying.
Its an interesting time for Ford and hoping they don’t lock into either/or choice
but press forward with both types of vehicles and let buyers decide what they want.
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1 hour ago, bzcat said:
I hope CE1 OS should be easy to upgrade over the air to enable Level 3 or any other future enhancements. That should be a bare minimum requirement for all new platform now days.
The efforts were concentrated around ease of manufacturing and reduction in body shop steps (gigacastings)
Having a high series and lower series operating system wouldn’t be a big ask, more like CE1+ for Lincoln?
Yeah, I could see that.
1 hour ago, bzcat said:Ford hasn't said much about CE1 other than it will be cost competitive with Chinese EVs. I hope they are not just narrowly focused on bill of material costs. One thing that Chinese OEMs do really well is the software which enables them reduce costs in lots of ways. They are years ahead of Ford and most non-Chinese OEMs, including Tesla.
My gut feeling is that they are replicating the build tech in Tesla Models 3 and Y albeit with different top hats.
I can see how that would work well for Ford especially with lower cost and safer LFP batteries.
PR talking about up to eight different top hats is a bit wishful, especially when they still haven’t shown the pickup
that’s due in 2027. My concern is that it’s been so long since Ford has shown the market anything new that Ford
now resort to product envelope potential rather that what it will actually deliver in the coming years..
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As Ford demonstrated with last month’s increased sales, pricing plays
a big part in turning stock it into revenue. Always has and always will.
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21 hours ago, akirby said:
At the very least they need to allow it to be turned off permanently. Forcing people to hit the button every time accomplishes nothing. People who don’t want it turn it off.
Remember what Mark K had to do to get around the EPA rules on the 2000 LS selectshift manual mode? Had to start in 2nd gear but if you nailed the throttle it would immediately downshift to first because the EPA test never went full throttle. Stupid games.
Had the CX7 in for gearbox repair the other week (broke reverse hub, common fault when they get old)
Anyways, I got onto the subject of later autos and stop/start, the transmission specialist advice was to
deactivate as much as possible. Says it’s hard on auto, they are supposed to keep internal pressure up
in the box but many don’t and when the power comes back on it shocks the transmission.
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On 6/12/2025 at 5:00 AM, 7Mary3 said:
I don't know, GM has gone from Gen. III to Gen. IV to Gen. V (LT), the DOHC LT 5.5L, the Blackwing (didn't go anywhere), and a bunch of major revisions to the Duramax (with a brand new 8.3L on the way). Not exactly 'next to nothing'.
The 6.8L and 7.3L were not exacly 'all new' either, there's a lot of 6.2L Boss in their DNA...
While that may be true as an brownfield project, the only dimension shared was bore spacing, mainly because it allows casting suppliers to keep down costs.
It’s a clever way around the accountants without justifying an all new engine -
Considering that GM is committed to an all electric future, I’m surprised it’s taken them this long to surpass Ford..
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More likely, Ford took all their ICE project funding and put it into electric vehicles
because that’s the way European Legislation is forcing manufacturers go.
What we are seeing today is basically the fruit of decisions made four or five years ago.
60 percent of Ford Maverick sales in the last quarter went to customers who are new to the brand
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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The Ford 1.5 Dragon was developed as an evolution of the learnings from the 1.0 EB,
increasing cylinder capacity to 500 cc that Ford’s combustion studies indicated was
in the range considered ideal for lowest emissions and good power.
It also has a dry weight of 95 Kg or 209 lbs so as engines go, that reasonably light,
For using an aluminium block for lowest weight and quick warm up important for
cat converter light off within 30 seconds of cold start.
Just back on topic,
the fact that 60% of sales were to people new to Ford would seem to suggest that
the 1.5 EB is not the impediment to sales as some may think. While that may be true,
it’s hard to say whether the addition of a hybrid would increase sales or simply replace
some percentage of those 1.5 EB sales….