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9 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:
I'm interested to see what they come up with. I've said for awhile that Ford should design the escape to be a baby mach-e of sorts. Something sportier, sleeker, desirable in its own way. But who knows if that's the direction they'll do in. Just as long as it doesn't look like a blob.
From what I have heard it is not being designed in Dearborn at all. It is being designed completely in California away from the “system” aka “Dearborn Disfunction.” It’s dimensions are supposedly very close to the current Escape.
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1 minute ago, Oac98 said:
So when is the Escape gonna get cancelled then and the Corsair?? Or are they gonna add onto the plant?? 2026 isn’t too far from now.
The low cost EV is a replacement for the Escape (or the next gen as an EV) however you want to look at it. I don’t believe they will co-exist at the same time.
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4 minutes ago, Oac98 said:
Is it not a possibility that these low cost EVs go to Mexico?? Ford didn’t announce what plant they’re going in. Or am I mistaken here?
Anything is possible and subject to change. However it is publicly known that the first low cost EV priced around $25,000 starting will come out of LAP in Kentucky.
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2 hours ago, joseodiaga4 said:
Agree. It is very weird the way they manage the Lincoln brand. They don’t keep the momentum going.
If there aren't any EV is the near future, there needs to be something else for Lincoln aside refreshes
Leadership has a major impact on a company like Ford. It really is amazing how one person can literally influence and control direction and strategy so much.
I honestly have reasonable hope for Lincoln moving forward. There are a few different silhouettes that will join (or at least they were supposed to) in the next couple of years that should make the faithful much happier.
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19 hours ago, joseodiaga4 said:
Agree but in that case why is Ford so behind for example GM in the full size SUV segment? It seems that Ford only can focus in one thing or max two at the same
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This right here is the summation of why Ford is the way it is. It’s also why the Premier Automotive Group was disabled. Mulally saw the culture at Ford and knew it couldn’t manage that much. That is still the case today.
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On 4/8/2024 at 11:05 PM, Oac98 said:
Farley never had any intention of continuing the commodity product Edge. He would rather have an assembly plant site idle til 2027 which is insane! I don’t believe this study bullshit.
The sad part is I would have never considered the first gen Edge as a commodity product by any means. The first gen was way more of a passion product. There was nothing else quite like it at the time outside of the Nissan Murano.
Yes, perhaps the second gen is more of a commodity product. But its popularity is amazingly still pretty good for a decade old design.
Only one person decided that the Edge was a commodity and it should be dropped. Farley really only loves the Mustang family, Bronco family, F-Series and Maverick.
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On 4/6/2024 at 9:37 PM, Ares said:
Not to go off topic, but since it was mentioned here, what are the odds that CD6 will ever be used for anything beyond the current Explorer/Aviator? Weren’t the original Edge/Nautilus redesigns going to utilize the platform? I wonder if there’s any regrets scrapping those since the EV delays.
The odds are supposedly pretty good in that it will be used for the next gen Explorer/Aviator at the end of the decade. Beyond those two there is nothing else attached to CD6 yet.
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3 hours ago, joseodiaga4 said:
Hope U760 is not canceled
So far we have only heard about the U759U760 was up for BOD review in March. It was red flagged. Which means it was reviewed and discussed for possible cancellation. I don’t know the outcome of that meeting or decision yet. There is a difference as U759 was delayed, U760 might have been shelved indefinitely.
Lincoln has pretty much said they won’t go the EV route for the foreseeable future. I don’t think Lincoln’s customer would support and/or buy it.
It’s a real shame as it’s definitely the nicer of the two.
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6 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:
Interesting decision to invest in a refresh, especially if we're still on to see a second gen mach-e in 2026. Unless they decide to push that back, which is a real possibility, doing a refresh this late in the game seems wasteful.
Next gen has been delayed and pushed back.
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2 hours ago, OacRookie said:
They are probably still figuring that out as we speak. I expect some kind of announcement a week before we are supposed to go down lol.
To be honest, while I do believe they are at a decision point, I also don’t think the plan has changed at all for OAC yet.
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No one seems to know the status of the the 7 seater EVs at this point. I have a feeling they are at a serious decision point about moving forward or not. Edge could get extended again but not likely.
There have been some rapid program changes up and down the line. If you like non EV vehicles then you will be excited for the programs back in motion or added to the cycle.
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8 hours ago, atomcat68 said:
As much as I hate to say it, I always thought Bronco was going to be a fad car like the two seat T-bird, PT Cruiser, the new Camaro and Toyota FJ Cruiser. Once the first wave of fans buy it, it doesn't sustain momentum.
Bronco sales are drying up because of the ridiculous prices increases it has had since launch. Internally, some are sounding the alarm bells now going off because of the greed on raising the prices so much. When the Bronco launched the 2-door starting price was $28,995, it’s now $39,600+. Insanity!
The greed doesn’t end there, they killed the Base trim levels so the starting price automatically goes up. Even though the Base trims aren’t huge volume, it’s still an attractive starting point. Especially for those who want a simple Bronco or even Bronco Sport and want to make it truly their own through lots of customizations.
The Bronco Raptor came out at around $66,000 and its starting price is now $90,000+. All in less than 3 years. It’s beyond inflation or raw material prices increases.
Most Ford dealers have an average Bronco stock of 15-20 units now and they are sitting.
Jeep has been slashing their MSRP’s considerably. I hope we take the hint and stop this insane pricing that’s not sustainable and will kill product lines.
The Maverick’s success and demand is due to its affordability.
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1 hour ago, silvrsvt said:
I find that really hard to believe that OAC will be down for almost 36 months. Borg has been completely wrong more often than not also.
OAC will not be down that long. Job 1 is around March 2025.
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There is no Bronco Sport BEV in development, that was never going to LAP.
The small SUV BEV going to LAP is still on plan for now. Again not a Bronco Sport.
The Maverick and Bronco BEVs are what have been delayed until 2030+.
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Ford’s going to have too much EV plant capacity. I’m hoping the flexibile manufacturing is still a possibility if they need to convert a plant back to ICE production. It’s a very tough spot that they’ve painted themselves into a corner with.
You have Electric Vehicle Centers at Dearborn Truck, Cuautitlan, then all the work happening at Blue Oval City, then the Oakville Complex, plus the various battery plants everywhere. It’s going to be an expensive mess.
I know technically different but look at Michigan Assembly Plant, it when from BOF Expeditions and Navigators to Unibody FWD Focus and C-Max and back to BOF Ranger and Bronco. Conversions are possible but at a heavy price.
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13 minutes ago, Dequindre said:
What other EVs were in the pipeline that got axed?
Not axed per se but on hold. Development work stops.
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So much is changing at a fairly rapid pace. I’m hearing that most EVs have been put on indefinite hold except for the next gen “Lightning” and the 7-seater Ford/Lincoln EVs for OAC.
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2025 will have half the trim levels
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54 minutes ago, Oacjay98 said:
What is the Job one date for the Lincoln version? I’m hearing late 2025.
Yes you are correct!
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1 hour ago, Oacjay98 said:
I told you guys this a couple of weeks ago. I guess because I didn’t make it a post it went unnoticed. Lots of contractors in here. Information is still rather sparse. Job posting info and retooling timeline still not set in stone. I believe majority of workforce will not return until early 25. Leaders and absentee allowances and maintenance people will be here earlier before retool complete.
I heard Job #1 for the 7-seater EV will be February 2025 and it will be a 2026MY vehicle.
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What Farley really means is any vehicle without good margins of 10% or better are going away. Because less than 10% is boring to him…..
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8 hours ago, silvrsvt said:
I think it just boils down to timing-if a brand new Edge came out in the US at this moment, it would have to stay in production till 2034 or so to be profitable. Not sure how successful the CN Edge would do here either.
I hear you and I agree but it’s deeper for me. The cultural ignorance of so many decisions is the same “rot” that has doomed so many beloved nameplates over the years. The launch and abandon mindset is built into the culture. It was almost eradicated under Mulally but it grew back.
Had Ford followed through with the original plan for a CD6F based Edge, it would’ve been out for MY2022 almost 3 years ago. When the CD6F Edge was shelved in 2020 that’s when China started to develop their own C2 Edge (and Nautilus).
The company just can’t stay focused. Things get boring and change direction when the wind blows in a different direction. Mulally was adamant about consistency and continuous improvement but with Ford the lesson is never learned. I’m sorry I could go on for hours on this.
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1 hour ago, Oacjay98 said:
April 26 last day of Edge production.
That EOP date keeps getting pushed back and back further.
Ending the Edge is still one of the biggest bonehead decisions I’ve ever witnessed.
All I keep hearing is the Explorer and the 7-seater BEV will be taking up the volume lost by the Edge. All the Edge needed was a complete redesign with an eye catching design that would rejuvenate interest even more. Make no mistake it’s making a ton of money even with all the incentives right now.
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2 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
Strike has been over for months and we still haven’t really built any.
What’s the holdup with Ranger production taking off? I honestly haven’t heard any excuse since the strike ended.
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2025 Ford Expedition Interior Spotted
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The 2003-2014 Volvo XC90 (Gen 1) split tailgate design should provide some clarity on what to expect…