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I’m a bit puzzled as to why they referenced the Expedition so much because it’s Explorer sized and is/was supposed to wear the Explorer nameplate.
It is radically different in styling. Mix the new Polestar 3, a 1995 Taurus wagon, and a bit of the new European Explorer EV onto an Explorer for size and proportion purposes and that is what will be…….
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This might be that skunks works project…S650 yes but coupe turns into more of a shooting brake/hatch for a Raptor treatment. I’ve heard of a few possibilities…will be interesting to see what it actually ends up looking like.
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2 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
If This is still accurate the Ranger BEV isn’t due until 2029. It’s probably Gen2 Lightning or something equivalent.This right here. This is the Gen 2 Lightning / replacement / successor. Naming wise I’d say its something that comes along when Lightning strikes….
Design and styling wise, let’s just say it’s very aero, 97-03 F-150ish but goes even further. Millennium Falcon is a good way to emphasize its modern and futuristic look.
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5 hours ago, Chrisgb said:
I am, what, disheartened? Pissed? at the dismal Ranger sales. I think most all BOF members cheer on the sales of models they own.
There were several weeks of "No Scheduling" this year, and the pre-pandemic numbers looked promising for making a legitimate run at the confoundingly successful Tacoma. My unsubstantiated guesses are either they are producing and stockpiling 2024 NA Ranger parts, and/or Ranger has a weak voice at the Glass House Wednesday product meetings (still do those?) or both.
Currently, as mentioned above they are prioritizing Bronco builds to deliver all of those original and new orders, while also dealing with supply chain shortages on the current Ranger.
I can promise you that the 2024 Ranger for North America will be an amazing product with sincere dedication in making sure it continues to build its audience. It is loved and not neglected at all. The North American variant will be closer to the global version this time since NA was involved from the start of its development.
Pretty sure it will be SuperCrew only in order to cut down on complexity. But the SuperCrew will allow for additional size variants….-
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1 hour ago, jpd80 said:
Which is confounding as a C2 Edge could easily be built alongside Escape at Louisville for the next few years.
2.5 HEV and PHEV offerings would be perfect and match componentry already in use. Also take some pressure
off Ford delivering so many different BEVs in the next few years.
There have been tons of rumors about C2 products and exploding demand. Maverick is so popular they are looking to add that 3rd shift at Hermosillo but that may not be enough. I’ve heard rumors of Bronco Sport actually going to Louisville as well to allow for just Maverick production at Hermosillo to meet global demand. Wild stuff I know!
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The next generation Nautilus pictured here was supposed to be built in China for China consumption and imported here to North America for North America consumption as well. I’m not sure if that is still the plan or not but there’s a 50/50 chance it still happens.
The next gen Edge will definitely be China only with zero plans of coming here.
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Current generation of Escape is expected to last until MY27. It was extended but there is currently no ICE replacement planned. Next gen will be a BEV built somewhere most likely south.
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5 hours ago, bzcat said:
Profit margin on stripped chassis is probably much better than Transit Connect. And plant utilization at Ohio and Flat Rock are important considerations.
And truth be told, Transit Connect would still be with us if Maverick and Bronco Sport were not such big success with long wait list and selling over MSRP. The business plan for Hermosilo C2 was baked in with all 3 products. Ford went as far as getting supplier bids for 2023 Transit Connect components so they were serious about renewing it - the engineering had already been done at that point. But clearly Ford now thinks it will make more money building the two than to utilize the plant capacity for the 3rd model.
And next year Hermosillo adds a rumored 3rd shift to increase Bronco Sport and Maverick production.
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50 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said:
No Expedition/Navigator? You think they would leave the family RV towing market to GM?
HRG
Expedition will have both ICE and BEV, while Navigator will be BEV only.
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A lot of the positions just eliminated were people whose teams were terminated in Jim Hackett’s smart redesign 3 years ago. These people had some 30-40 years at Ford and didn’t have much of a role the last 3 years. I think the pandemic gave them some time since many were out of sight out of mind.
Another large number of positions eliminated were field roles. Almost every region lost the PSOM role (Parts and Service Operations Manager) as well as seasoned Zone Managers.
Then the other chunk of positions were “fluff” roles. They eliminated a lot of social media positions and contractor positions.
Definitely was/is a sad time but it didn’t necessarily hit all ICE engineering. It was a mixture of cutting all over the place.
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A fantastic month for sure! It’s a nice change of pace to see Ford rise above so many competitors. The Bronco family alone put nearly 18,000 units on the road.
However those headlines are pumped up a bit when it comes to electric vehicles. While yes, sales are growing finally - we still only sold 7,699 BEVs (MME, F-150 Lightning and eTransit). That’s only 4.6% of the 163,000 total.
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19 minutes ago, AM222 said:
That's weird. In Europe "Active" means more rugged/ more SUV-like.It’s weird for them to do this at this point in time. I swear they do things sometimes simply for change sake, not because it’s the smart thing to do.
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The “Active” trim level is going to be the new name for the SE/SEL on the 2023 Escape and the new name for the XLT on the 2024 Explorer. I’m not sure why they decided to start changing trim level names
but it’s definitely happening.
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This is a Titanium, only trim to have the light bar.
Make no mistake though, many future Fords will have this as a tie in to the electric Lightning look.
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On 5/11/2022 at 12:25 PM, Chrisgb said:
Looks to be the real deal. I am impressed with how they got the lightning to pass the frontal crash tests without the mass of a conventional ICE powertrain to absorb some of the energy. My gut feeling is that we may see the "frunk" design be augmented with a forward cab configuration; a SuperCrew/8ft box in roughly the same footprint of a regular cab
You hit the nail on the head and described the next gen Lightning….
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Current Escape runs until MY2027. There is no next generation ICE planned. It will be replaced by a BEV. Hopefully the Escape name will continue on the BEV.
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The Mustang family will expand….other variants/body styles may or may not be coming to the Mach-E….
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That vehicle is not the Fusion Active at all. Again, that vehicle hasn’t been seen in the Cycle Plan and I don’t believe is being carried forward.
The vehicle in these photos has the Lincoln mesh grille and is most likely the next gen Nautilus. It has a similar shape to this.
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8 hours ago, jpd80 said:
So thinking that,
1. TE1 based Expedition/Navigator is logical incremental production at BOC
2. ICE Expedition/Navigator production could move to one or both of the F150 plants..
3. Super Duty & E Series production at Avon Lake could replace Expedition/Navigator at KTP
jpd80 good call….The nameplates in question are all right here.
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There is so much developing and changing by the day that it’s hard to say what is concrete but BOC will be the home of TE1 and it’s multiple derivatives.
Let’s just say KTP will be able to focus on Super Duties….
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This strongly hints at the next Nautilus coming for MY2024.
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He’s correct that the Edge program isn’t dead per say…..the China Edge program is continuing and moving towards its full redesign but the Edge program for NA was shelved. Unless something changed recently but I don’t think it did.
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This situation has triggered a lot of concern in the glass house. This gas crisis caught them way off guard because it happened overnight and hasn’t been building for a long time. If this gets really really bad with gas prices I am a certain they will revisit Fusion/Mondeo and/or Focus for another run in NA. Both sets of vehicles were designed to meet US federal crash requirements. I’ve been told that there already is discussion about some sort of affordable sedan program but not sure the specifics.
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One of the worst months possible. We all know why. I was in a meeting and heads are rolling over F-Series and Explorer. Truly horrible. They are flipping over the chips they aren’t getting for F-Series and Explorer.
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Next gen Lincoln Nautilus for China and North America leaked
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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Pretty sure that is the shooting Star….