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Maverick was the original intended name and probably is on some early parts planning documents but that was changed. Again this is going to be called the Bronco Sport. I’ve heard it and I’ve seen the final badging on the Baby Bronco’s body, it’s Bronco Sport. Although personally I liked a Bronco Scout.
All 3 Broncos will be showed in the spring at the New York Auto Show as a family.
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I agree, I thought that there’d be a refresh as well seeing as the ‘18 Explorer and ‘19 Fusion both got a mild refresh and so did the ‘13 Mustang for their last 2 model years.
Again, I hope I’m wrong and they do update the S550 with new bumper covers or lights but I just don’t see any action plans on it.
3 hours ago, Twin Turbo said:Thank you, that's good info!
5 years for the current model ('18--'22MY) seems a looooooong time.......even the all new S550 was only 3 model years ('15-'17) before its first significant refresh. I think that, plus the prototypes spied above, led many (me included) to assume we'd see another refresh, much like the S197 did for its final 2 model years.
Roll on '23MY then
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I don’t see any MCA in the pipeline for the MY21 S550 but I could be wrong. The S550 has an 8 model year lifecycle.
The next gen will be a MY23 and it will be an all-new tophat on the existing platform. It will have a 6 Model year lifecycle.
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5 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said:
Maybe the Ford designers are under a mandate to keep enough product differentiation from their corporate cousins, so the L-guys don't get all butt-hurt?
HRG
I did hear that the 2020 Escape was originally a bit tougher and beefier from the lead designer but he was told to “tone it down” and make it more car like.
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We were told at a recent meeting that we are going to go hard on selling the 2020 Explorer XLTs, supposedly towards the end of the 1st quarter. They said they plan on selling about 80,000 more Explorers in 2020 than in 2019. So you’re looking at them getting back to 250,000 Explorers this year. That was an absolute commitment that they were serious about.
As for Escape, they basically indicated that the Escape has moved up market in pricing and that they expected sales to shrink with that change. Looks like they don’t plan on going as volume crazy on Escape. They admitted they overproduced the 2019 Escape.
It was quite the cluster to hear this. The Escape matters but I’m puzzled because it doesn’t seem like there’s a plan and there are no decent programs on it. They expect about 150,000 Bronco Sports annually once production with that gets up and running.
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On 1/4/2020 at 1:43 PM, fuzzymoomoo said:
Ice-capades posted the end date for Fusion/MKZ this morning from this week's fleet bulletin. It's June 4th.
Wow I honestly missed that post and that decision must have changed because originally 2020 Fusion and MKZ production was supposed to go until the end of the full calendar year. I’m a little shocked about that one.
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All 3 Broncos (Bronco 4-door, Bronco 2-door and Bronco Sport) will be shown together as a family so as not to create confusion.
The reveal event we were told was in the spring. So yes it could be NAIAS in June. Last I heard that either the 2021 F-150 or 2021 Bronco family will be at NAIAS in June and the other will get their own event, like the Explorer and Expedition did. That was as of back in October. I’m sure they chose what will be revealed at what venue by now.
Bronco Sport will be built alongside the Fusion and MKZ in Hermosillo for about 6-9 months as they don’t have a concrete end date yet. Then Fusion and MKZ will be done, then the next gen Transit Connect and baby pickup will be in there in mid 2021 for the 22MY.
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MY2022 Expedition will be given an extensive MCA. New front clip from windshield forward, with new hood, headlights, grille and bumper fascia plus new liftgate and taillights out back.
Anyone hoping for a different than F-150 dashboard will be disappointed. It willget a new dashboard but it will be shared with the MY2021 F-150.
I will say the MY2022 Expedition MCA is a serious effort to keep the product fresh and competitive.
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I’m happy to see Mustang sales spike up 30% in November. It was discussed during a Ford Town Hall that once Fiesta, Focus, Fusion, and Taurus were basically gone that we could expect to see regular Mustang sales go up some. Apparently there are some Ford loyalists who want a Ford car and don’t want an SUV so even though the Mustang is a coupe, it serves just as well as a traditional car in that sense for some. That just might steady regular Mustang sales for a while. Again small numbers but meaningful.
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Let’s also not forget that the Explorer 4-Door, Explorer Sport 2-door and Explorer Sport Trac pickup were all counted under the Explorer name as well. From 2001 forward they were all considered their own models and not trims.
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It will be RWD, with optional AWD. Period. Just like all the Tesla models.
There will be a few trims with very limited options. It probably has the least complexity of any Ford in recent years I’ve seen.
There will be a base and GT variant. Just like the Mustang.
And yes, it will be called Mustang Mach-E. But just like the F-Series Super Duty, expect Ford to basically call it the Mach-E in the same way Ford calls the F-Series Super Duty just the Super Duty. The connection will be there again as part of the Mustang family.
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This is definitely the Fusion Active test mule. Next gen Fusion was always planned to move to C2.
I don’t know the product development code for this one. But I have seen the mock up early buck. It’s very attractive and is a mix of Fusion, Edge, Escape and Subaru Outback all mixed together. It’s rugged like an Outback but in a classy way. It blends a number of designs well.
Make no mistake this will be called Fusion or Fusion Active. I’m not sure how big the market is for this but maybe Subaru’s secret sauce isn’t so secret. Ford needs to market this the right way in order for it to succeed.
ive heard either Hermosillo or Oakville as production locations. Not finalized yet.
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15 hours ago, averagengineer said:
Hi all,
So as someone who has actually seen a preproduction prototypes of both of these units I want to to share some info about them since ive been receiving many questions recently. I believe Ford is making "Mustang" and "Bronco" a family of vehicles.
The mach e will use the mustang running horse with lines lines going through the horse. I saw the logo on the front end (where grill would be) and also steering wheel (black horse with horizontal lines going through it.The sill plate literally says mustang on it with a running horse logo in black similar to this https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41DwwXOhe%2BL.jpg. This rendering of the front which ford teased in a video is 90% similar to the production intent vehicle. The rear uses the mustang tri bar design but with an extra light strip going through all 3 bars. The sloping roofline and rear hatch is quite similar to the jaguar ipace I know many will be disappointing about the mustang name/logo but honestly it looks badass.
The Baby bronco literally says "Bronco" across the front grill and uses the bucking bronco logo on the steering wheel. These leak is 90% representative of the actual vehicle i saw except it said "Bronco" across the grill instead of "Ford"
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a25050309/ford-baby-bronco-jeep-first-photos/
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So I heard through the grapevine that the 2021 Escape will be getting an emergency facelift to correct the front end that has been disliked by many. Just 1 year into
its lifecycle. I have to wonder who
they showed this to in a focus group and said they liked it.
Wondering if anyone else heard about this?
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So I heard through the grapevine that the 2021MY Escape is getting an emergency refresh because there has been a lot of dislike about its new face with the 2020 redesign.
Anyone else hear this as well?
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1 hour ago, Twin Turbo said:
Do you know what Model Year it's likely to be? My thinking is '23MY, but that's based on nothing but wishful thinking and assumptions lol
S650 should be MY22 believe it or not..... Again this stays on the current platform, this will be a major overhaul with new sheet metal and interior but same footprint and same roof etc. The S750 will MY26 and will be all new from the ground up and probably on CD6 by then.
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Bronco Scout (CX430)
Bronco 2-Door (U725)
Bronco 4-Door (U725)
Bronco Fullsize - not approved due to a few reasons, chiefly being lack of production space. If the Expedition and Navigator had their own plant, it probably would’ve been approved. But....they don’t wanted to give up Expedition and Navigator volumes. If they find space elsewhere this may change.
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That image is not even close to what the Mustang inspired BEV CUV will look like. It is definitely a sexy CUV with the perfect balance of style and utility. It won’t be FWD.
Again, Mustang Mach-E or just Mach-E has been the name that has been in discussion for a while now.
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The 2021 F-150 will use the same footprint as the current model. Yes, think ‘09 but the cab sizes arent changing this time. In fact, I believe all the glass carries over. The sheet metal will be changing though.
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Perhaps but I’ve seen many things
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The Mach E is going to be a show stopper. It is stunning and truly the single greatest design Ford has pumped out in the last 10-20 years. I can’t wait for it to hit the streets. It should use the Mach E name not Mustang Mach E but it’s still TBD from last I heard. Lot of internal debate over it.
The 2021 F-150 goes into production in June 2020, way earlier than the last F-150 launches. It could be revealed at the Texas State Fair or in January at its own event. The 2020 Explorer reveal at Ford Field was a test for a large scale stand-alone reveal.
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52 minutes ago, jasonj80 said:
What has made Honda and Subaru so successful over time, always 5 years cycles. 1-3, update for 4-5 new model.
I agree 100%. 8 years is a long time for a generation when the Japanese tend to stay to 5 years max.
I wish the next gen Edge was happening sooner but 2023MY is what’s in the cycle plan.
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A CD6 Edge is coming but it will be FWD, not RWD.
CD6 has 2 variants:
1. CD6R - Explorer and Aviator for MY2020
2. CD6F - Next Edge and Nautilus for MY2023
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Vehicle Introductions in Detroit
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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Not sure what’s planned to be shown in Chicago but in addition, the 2021 Explorer gets the following:
- XLT Sport Appearance Package
- King Ranch trim
- FX4 Off Road trim