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On 7/7/2025 at 7:44 AM, Sherminator98 said:
So lets see: 1993 Mustang GT or LX V8 (can't remember off the top of my head) was around $14K when I looked at it in High School
Today that would be $31,210.19 with inflation
The Ecoboost Mustang offers more performance and far better gas mileage in a far more refined package then the Fox Mustang in 1990s
Average cost of a new car in 1993 was $16,871, today it is $49740.
So given that information, the Mustang isn't that much more expensive given averages of the time.
I'm guessing the bigger issue is that your income hasn't kept up with inflation or gone up over time.
True, my income does not match inflation as most Americans have experienced. But when I look at Mustangs on dealer's lots or on the internet, most are in the $50,000 range and have been sitting on the lots for a long time. That base model is kind of a unicorn, and when it does appear it is sold much faster.
Another thing I factor into the price is that is it worth it to get it when there's a chance it will have 20 recalls or some catastrophic problem that will come up later like the DC transmissions or eco boost problems, when I'm driving (although old) a perfectly reliable car right now.
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21 hours ago, akirby said:
Three reasons - Price, Price and a continued market shift away from coupes. Current design is not bad enough to turn away serious buyers especially with almost no competition.Agree! The only reason I haven't and will not buy a new Mustang is the obscene price tag. They do start in the low 30's , but every time I go to by a dealership, the same row of $60,000 plus cars sit there for years rotting on the lot.
Even if the engine or transmission fails on my car every year, it would still be cheaper to repair my car than make payments on a new one.
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Maybe the van will be a Ram version of the Pacifica by bringing back the Caravan nameplate and placing it under the Ram brand.
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On 6/18/2025 at 10:15 AM, bzcat said:
Ford's India plan is cancelled, again.
Is is dated April fool's day. Are we sure this is real?
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I think it was a great idea to build a car like that, buy why did they make it look the way that it does and not like this concept?
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I take her statements to mean they will do the bare minimum to keep the brand afloat. They don't want to spend money to sit the brand down and pay off dealerships, but Ford wants to spend money elsewhere.
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F-150 seems to be a go-to car for wealthy people, which come to think of it, you have to be wealthy to comfortably afford it. Ford also has that icon status to it and the Mustang legend as well.
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Almost there, put it back in the oven and hammer out the details. It looks unfinished.
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On 4/15/2025 at 8:23 AM, Sherminator98 said:
I dunno, as I get older I really have no interest in reviving a 40-50 year old name for a luxury product that doesn’t resonate with my generation?Eldorado would be a great name for that convertible concept Solei if it made it to production. The concept even had gold paint to boot. Aston Martin, Bentley and Rolls Royce also use old names. Corvette, although not produced by a luxury marque could be considered as a luxury product, and it has one of the oldest names out there.
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Much better style effort from Kia than everything else lately.
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UGH! Not another Subaru with black plastic everywhere. That plastic will fade to dull grey after a few years of harsh weather.
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Or maybe do what Infiniti did a few years back and change the name with the update and the new name isn't revealed yet.
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The black plastic everywhere ruins it for me. If it had that shape, but clean and streamlined (even if it is boxy) it would be so much better... something like a rugged old school Volvo.
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It works better as a coupe than a convertible. I agree that the interior is great!
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My daily driver for the past 20 years has been a Mustang. As much as some may say that a four door in heresy, I can say I would approve of them making one. If a four door and a two door were offered at the similar price I'd go with the four door.
Many would argue that a true sports car wouldn't be a four door, but the Mustang was never a true sports car, it is a muscle car, and muscle cars have had four doors as well as two.
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So that puts the casualties among start ups who were eyeing the USA market as Lordstown, Cannoo, Poterra, Fisker, Nevs (SAAB) and Nikola.
Tesla is on top with Rivian and Lucid still in the fight.
Faraday Future is probably the next to die.
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4 hours ago, twintornados said:
Maybe Ford could "contract build" Camaro at Flat Rock?
That actually isn't a bad idea. To go one step further, Ford could codevelop a new Mustang with another manufacturer who wants a RWD v8/turbo 4 car in their lineup. Honda/Nissan may want a new Z now that Nissan's FM platform is coming to an end. Or maybe VW wants a quick Scirocco now that the EV market is not going well.
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14 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said:
Not sure what your talking about..the concept is almost identical the production vehicle?
The Blue one just looks better to me. Maybe it's the wrap on the blue one that hides the lines and if that's the case then I won't like this car. The blue car looks less space ship-ish to me. I hope it doesn't have that front executed the same way as the white one.
The thing that comes to mind to me was the first generation Zephyr concept compared to the production. The shape was the same, but the details were different. On that one, they took what I thought was a sexy concept and made a so-so car out of the production.
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6 hours ago, Sherminator98 said:
LOL your confusing a mass market Luxury maker with a storied Luxury maker that is trying to reestablish itself as a bespoke luxury car by being stupidly pretentious
I do think they did a good job with the production car though. I think it would have been like the old ZDX disaster if they made it like the concept. The production fits the Acura design language much better.
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1 hour ago, Sherminator98 said:
This is the concept that it is based off of
Well then, I'm glad common sense prevailed. Maybe they could give this concept to Jaguar. I hear they're into this sort of thing.
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At this point, it doesn't seem like a good idea to design a Chrysler product for that brand, as the brand won't sell enough to justify the expense. It would make more sense to just build and sell the next generation Peugeot products here and replace the badge on it with a Chrysler badge, or if they want less brands to manage world wide sell those products as a Peugeot (selling Pacifica under that brand) and axe Chrysler.
Chrysler may be too damaged to rebuild and it may just be easier to introduce Peugeot which would be a new brand to NA at this point.
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This is so odd as Stellantis was saying last week that this car was coming soon and Chrysler had a bright future.
My guess is that maybe they sent the car to a test group like Ford did with the "bullet train car" and it isn't go over well. Or the other possibility is that the cash position of Stellantis is falling faster than expected.
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On 1/10/2025 at 10:15 AM, Sherminator98 said:
I know amazon was using them to do deliveries in my area...then I saw the Rivian van,but I haven't seen one of those in ages either.
In Massachusetts, I see Amazon using nothing else other than the Rivian now. Almost overnight, the other vans disappeared.
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16 hours ago, mackinaw said:
I really haven't followed this thread, but maybe this audio clip from Bill Ford can offer some clarity to this discussion.
He said as long as he's at Ford, there will be a Mustang, but executives do retire and will his replacement share his views?
He also asked the question if the Mach E is a real Mustang and his answer was the people who drove it gave him a resounding "yes". So that shows his willingness to offer the Mustang nameplate on a product that is different from what we've come to expect and like it or not, Ford will be open minded to a change in the car's format.
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Discussion: How should Ford evolve the styling of their iconic products?
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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I had that EXP! I do miss it.