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Like jasonj80, I have already talked to my dealer and he is anticipating they will be able to accept orders in June 2016, barring any unforeseen circumstances. I got their first 2011 screw, and then I traded for a 2013 to get the upgraded interior, so I have a really good relationship with them. They do not mark up their vehicles and are very good to deal with, so I'm not worried about getting railroaded.
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Can't wait. I'm fortunate to get the first one from my dealer. Looking forward to the new tech compared to my current one.
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My dad has a 2013 FX4 supercab with the 5.0, which has 65000 miles. He tows similar to what you have indicated, and he has had no issues at all with it.
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If the Ranger and Bronco are indeed separate.... then the Bronco could be a 2-door version of the Raptor
As a current Raptor owner, I would have no interest in a product like this. That would basically be an extended cab Raptor with a topper, which u could get right now, used of course.
I have bought Ford trucks all my life, but I am considering buying a Jeep as a 3rd vehicle because of its physical size, and the fact that I would like an open top vehicle that isn't a convertible car.
I would prefer to buy a Ford brand vehicle that meets this criteria, but that doesn't exist right now. I would venture to say there are many people that are like me out there, or people who want a Wrangler type vehicle that would be willing to buy a Ford vehicle with the same form factor. The fact that Jeep has sold 157K Wranglers so far this year, suggests the market is pretty healthy.
If they build an OJ type full sized Bronco that perhaps you can strip the cap off of, I do not believe it will be successful.
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Agreed on the mustangs. Saw a nice white 2015 gt with the black wheels, and it was very sharp. My son loves the yellow mustangs with the black wheels.
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I love black wheels. I think they make cars and trucks look better.
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I am very interested in seeing this new duo. If there is any truth in the 2017 Ex/Nav being released in 2016, it will be right in line with my replacement schedule. I am really pulling for them to bring the wow factor, especially if the Lincoln is supposed to compete with the range rover.
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The Expedition doesn't sell well because it looks nearly identical to the 2007 model that I had. I change vehicles every 2 - 3 years and the Expedtion isn't even in the running because of that fact, and changing the motor and a couple other bits won't change that. At least the Navigator changes are somewhat compelling. It does look moderately different enough that I would consider it. I think the sales numbers of the Navigator reflect that sentiment.
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I have a 2011 SEL, all wheel drive, with 90,000 miles on it. It is my work car and is regularly abused on the streets of Chicago, driven regularly b/w 70 to 85 on the expressways, and has been idled a lot. The car is driven hard with a lot of jackrabbit starts and hard stops. Considering the driving conditions, it has aged very well. As far as service is concerned, a shutter motor in the climate control had to be replaced, and a seal in the rear differential was replaced. In regards to the cabin, I'm 5'11" 220, and I fit fine. I have the driver's seat all the way back, which doesn't leave a ton of room for the rear passenger, but I can still drive comfortably if I need to move it up to accommodate rear passengers. I have a lot of equipment in the trunk that fits nicely. The equipment weighs a fair amount and does not affect the driving dynamics of the car. The susoension is on the firm side, which I like for my type of driving. I really like the car, and it has served me well.
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Has anyone seen annual sales figures of Wrangler sales verses Wrangler Unlimited sales, to make arguments for or against two and four door Bronco models?
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As a person who has been exploring buying a jeep lately, and as a person who loves ford products, I would not consider buying a bronco unless it had a removable top. I think this is one of the primary reasons people buy them. I live in a cold environment, and I see tons of jeeps, so it must not be an issue for these owners.
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I have had Low Pro QTs since 2008, on an FX4 and two different Raptors. You won't be disappointed with it. They are simple, effective, and easy to take off when necessary. I have never had any issues with the velcro.
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Maybe if we both say this 100 more times it will sink in........
You might need to say it 200 times, I don't think it has sunk in yet.
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Is it me, or does Ford have a real opportunity with the next Expedition and Navigator? I find the GM trio's design language somewhat polarizing. It isn't nearly as clean as it was. I have ridden in my friends 2015 Suburban LTZ, and it wasn't particularly impressive, not bad but not impressive. I think Ford has a shot at taking back market share with the right vehicles.
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So DeanH, how much money are you offering?
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MikeyD, these problems seem to be unique to your Explorer. I have a 2013 with 18k and I have a friend that has a 2013 as well, with 30k, and neither of us have had any of the issues you are experiencing. Both of these explorers have been trouble free, not even MFT issues. I know of a third one that was purchased at the same time as mine and the driver hasnt relayed any complaints to me, although i dont know the mileage of that explorer. It appears you may have gotten a bad one unfortunately. I would venture to say if you were able to get a replacement vehicle you would not be having these same issues. Hopefully it works out for you and you stay in the Ford family because it sure is a fun vehicle to drive.
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It's funny, everyone likes my Raptor except my wife. She says she's embarrassed to drive it.
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Chicago Police Department seems to have been purchasing a large number of Explorer PIs and PIs lately. They have marked and unmarked. I drove an unmarked Explorer variant the other night. The 3.7 had nice power and it felt like it had a lot of room in it with the column mounted shifter and no center console. I really liked the feeling of it. The officers like it so far.
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There are people that want to buy Expeditions and Navigators, but Ford hasn't given them a compelling reason to purchase them. I had a 2007 Expedition and it was a great vehicle, however I'm not going to buy a 2013 that looks the same as my 07, inside and out. I wont even consider a Navigator for similar reasons but also because the exterior is bland and the interior is terrible. You can knock Infinity all you want about the Q56, but they invested the money into their vehicle and it draws attention. Sure the styling is up for debate, but the interior is very nice, as is the powertrain.
I'm in the market now for a new SUV and I want to stay in the Ford camp, but they aren't giving me many options, other than perhaps an Explorer Sport. If I knew there was a decent MCE coming in August I would certainly delay my purchase until then, but I haven't seen or heard anything that tells me this will happen. This has left me in a bit of a dilemma, considering I'm a huge FMC fan.
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I'm sad to say that Prius and Camry hybrids seam to have taken over in Chicagoland. There are still a lot of panthers out there, but it is clear the tide has turned. I did see a new Fusion hybrid taxi a few days ago for the first time. Perception-wise I'm I'm not sure if it positively or negatively reflects on a company.
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A lot of firefighters have trucks because they have side jobs in the trades on their days off.
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As a current owner of a Raptor with the 6.2, I can verify that it is a very thirsty motor, since the average mpg usually shows in the 11s. In its defense, it's hard to keep the foot out of it because it is so much fun to drive.
But back to the Expy/Nav, has anyone heard when these are going to be released? I'm in the market for one, but refuse to buy the current generation because they haven't updated it since the 2007 that we owned. I was thinking about buying an Explorer Sport as a stop gap measure, but I could wait if the Expedition was going to be released soon.
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Apparently not, even after > 30 posts. I didn't think discussion threads on BON forums would have such a low signal to noise ratio. Anyway, I'll take a stab at this:
The 6-speed manual used in the 2011 Mustang is the Ford/Getrag MT82, originally developed for the RWD Mk7 Ford Transit and Land Rover Defender. The main production site for this transmission is the Ford/Getrag JV plant in Halewood, UK.
In 2006, a localization program with Jiangling Motors Company Group to produce the MT82 transmission in China (parallel to the launch of the Mk7 Ford Transit for the Chinese domestic market) was officially approved by JMC and Getrag. The JMC/Getrag transmission manufacturing facility and China hq is located in Nanchang, Jiangxi Province. Information about this facility can be found here. Also, attached is a PDF that details the localization program.
Both the JMC/Getrag Nanchang plant and the MT82 transmission itself are top notch. Ford was wise to extend application of this tranny to the Mustang and to source it from Nanchang. :yup:
Aneekr, thanks for taking a stab at answering the underlying question. Though I mentioned China in the original post I certainly wasn't expecting so many tangents. I now have a better understanding of the business case behind this decision; nevertheless it sure would have been nice if it was made here instead. I guess you can’t have it all. The Mustang is an impressive car and I still wouldn’t mind having one in my garage.
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Scary to think someone so illiterate could be involved in counter-intelligence.
I am clearly not a big fan of China - I gave you 3 reasons in that very post!
However, their supposed "communism", which hasn't existed for decades, isn't one of them. You might as well hate the moon for being made of green cheese.
Noah, Based on your indecorous response regarding my last post, apparently it’s not ok to express disappointment with a portion of the car being built in China. That sounds like a suppression of free speech which is a tenant that the Chinese like to subscribe to. As for being illiterate, how does phrasing three reasons in the form of a question clearly state your position on the matter? Prior to that, you make mention of the “poster’s priorities,” not your priorities.
Because I expressed disappointment did not mean that I would discontinue purchasing Ford products. To the contrary, I currently have three Ford vehicles with the intention of replacing a 2007 EB Expedition with a new one. Because I like Ford products doesn't mean that I have to like everything they do and I believe that it is beneficial when things are produced here, rather than abroad. It's nice when your neighbors are gainfully employed and their houses aren't being foreclosed on. I appreciate your attempt to explain to me economics of the world economy and the principals of communism; however I do stay abreast on the matters and really don’t need your insight considering you didn’t answer any of the questions in the original post.
2018 Expedition in Camo
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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There will be a majority of buyers that will be loyal to GM, but there are a lot of people that have the means to purchase these vehicles that like to update every few years. The GM trplets really have been the primary modernized product available. These people never considered the Expedition because it was left to rot on the vine. If ford offers a compelling product, I think you will see a lot of consumers give the Expedition/Navigator a hard look, especially with GM's questionable styling.