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47 minutes ago, rmc523 said:
THE MUSTANG COUPE/VERT ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. MACH E DOESN'T AFFECT TRADITIONAL MUSTANG AT ALL.
So you won't buy a vehicle because of a name? Got it.
First I said : Will it stop me from buying a Mustang as my next car of course not Maybe you should read what I wrote before responding.
Second - no one said the Mustang is going away or being replaced that is not the issue. The issue is that using the Mustang name on the car is unnecessary. It would get the same boost just from saying it was Mustang inspired and the Mustang design cues.
Also this nothing to do with not wanting change, that is silly. The Mustang has changed a lot over the years and will continue to do so. This is about putting the name on a CUV. where it does not belong.
It is done it is a Mustang because Ford says so and that is there decision but that does not mean I have to like it. The people that like it are entitled to and I don't know why they need to attack those of us that do not like it and just accept that our opinions differ on this.
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Neither for me, no stick in either, I'll take a GT350 thanks!
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3 hours ago, akirby said:
So a few diehard Mustang fans are upset but not enough to stop buying coupes. Meanwhile a whole new market is opened up for folks who don’t want or can’t have an ICE coupe.
There is at least one more mustang sub branded vehicle on the way, so I guess we’ll have this discussion all over again.
No reason to upset the Mustang loyalists though, everything would be the same if the Mach E was just Ford Mach E and not Ford Mustang Mach E.
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1 hour ago, silvrsvt said:
In all seriousness, the Mustang was a secretaries car when it first came out...performance didn't happen til later
Then add in that the Mustang survived mostly on non-performance models most of its lifetime, at least the MME will have performance chops closer to a Mustang GT then an old 88 HP 4 banger Mustang of the 1980s.
Just because it has an extra 2 doors doesn't change any of that.
Well actually it does and that is the point as far as I am concerned. The performance is great but it is not the main thing that makes a Mustang a Mustang in my mind. It is the fact that it is a personal sporty "coupe", it does not have to have high performance to accomplish that. There are plenty of performance vehicles in all configurations, sedans, trucks, suv's and so on. The Mach E would of probably sold the same if it was just Mach E. Keep the Mustang inspired part that is fine, even the horse emblem although I would have changed it a little. I get why they did it to capitalize o the name recognition to separate it but the looks and connection to Mustang alone could've accomplished that. Look in the end it is done I just would not have done it. Will it stop me from buying a Mustang as my next car of course not, would it stop me from buying a Mach E as my wife's next car, no way I want one. I just think there would be less opposition from die hard Mustang people although maybe that was part of the point.
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2 hours ago, jasonj80 said:
One of the biggest issues in rapid charging is something that seems very trivial, the temperature of the cable used to charge the vehicle when it is charging at high speeds. Charging at those higher rates make the cable so hot it would burn you (like melt your skin off 1st degree burns) if you make the with liquid cooling and extra insulation it becomes so heavy that very few people can use it as it becomes 100+ lbs that you're dragging.Is this true. I have not heard this and find it very hard to believe. The wires carrying 220 to appliances do not get hot nor should they. Why should the wire carrying the charge to the car?
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I can't read what it says on the rear hatch, it says mache4x on the side. It has a pony on the grill and steering wheel but don't see Mustang anywhere. I wonder if even though the official name is Mustang mach e they are hedging their bet by not putting it on the car itself. Or like on the actual Mustang the pony says it all and there is no need to spell it out.
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25 minutes ago, T-dubz said:
I think the vast majority of people, especially EV buyers, do not care about the mustang name or have ever even thought about purchasing the current mustang. This is why it doesn’t make sense to me to tie these cars together. You aren’t gaining anything and you are pissing off your most loyal customers. EV buyers like the tech and fuel efficiency. They like the performance too but I bet that’s a far smaller subgroup. I’d like to see the take rate on the “insane mode” or whatever Tesla calls it. I bet most Tesla’s don’t come with it.
On a side note, I think Ford Falcon would have been a good choice. You could still use the “inspired by mustang” tag line since the falcon and mustang were related back in the days, plus falcon just sounds cool.
Totally agree, stupid decision with no benefit to either vehicle. Mustang inspired is fine but calling it a Mustang has no benefit, again to "either" vehicle.
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19 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:
Meh-I've owned two of them and I welcome the change-some times change is needed to survive. The Mustang II was universally derided for what it was, but it was key in keeping the Mustang name alive back 40+ years ago.
The unfortunate thing is that the way the automotive landscape is going, keeping the current Mustang from evolving is going to wind up killing it.
If anything this is going to open up the Mustang to even more people-there is finally going to be a "practical" Mustang with the performance to back it up.
I fully expect a shit show from knuckledraggers/luddites that can't accept change in their lives
Point is that this being called Mustang does absolutely nothing for the "Real Mustang" or for the Mach E if it is good on it's own merit. On the other hand I don't think angry mustang fans are going to hurt it either. There just is no good reason it could not have just been "Mach E". To survive the Mustang will have to go electric eventually and there will be no manual, sad but true. So I guess eventually mustang could share a platform and more with Mach E but that still doesn't mean it needs to share its name. So count me among those not happy with this name but if I can swing it this would probably be my wife's next car, she is between this Baby Bronco and Corsair. Mine of course will be a "Real Mustang".
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Stupid article. All of the vehicle types he lists as being given up still exist. Yes sales are less for the Mustang but the Mach E is using it to gain a foothold not replacing it
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Cool they put a stick in it, but we all know an actual production Mustang electric will not have one since there is no need for it with electric motors. It will be the end of an era. So sad, but I guess the insanely fast acceleration and max torque from 0 rpm will have to do.
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25 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:
I'm betting that there is going to be a giant shitshow when the Mach E has the Mustang name or Mustang badging on it when it showed off next month-but in the grand scheme of things its going to allow the Mustang to survive for another 50 years-Just look at what CUV additions have done for Porsche over the years.
I personally don't have a problem with the Mach-E using the lit Pony, but if given the choice would rather it was mot called Mustang Mach-E. If it is I like most other against this will get over it, it certainly would not stop me from buying another Mustang. I also would like to replace my wife's car with a Mach-E if I can afford it in a couple of years.
I don't however think the link to the Mustang will have any effect on future sales of Mustangs. If it is to survive long term (and I think it will) it will be on its own merits.
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14 minutes ago, twintornados said:
Well, you could look at it as the running pony logo is running toward the future and @pffan1990, the "foxbody era" dragged Mustang out of the doldrums of the Mustang II era and put it back on track to being a performance car and it has evolved ever since. My personal opinion was Ford was never going to call what became Probe the Mustang III (yes, Mustang 3) but instead it was a marketing ploy to drum up interest in Probe.
My opinion is that the original plan was to name Probe "Mustang" no III, but a ton of angry mail changed their minds. I am not sure if you lived through the era but I did (and wrote a letter) but that was the direction at the time with all of the Asian coups (celica, 200SX, prelude,) being hot and Ford wanting to take them head on. The final solution was best as they had a direct competitor but kept the Mustang as it was intended and have improved it over the years. Also all of those other cars including Probe are gone now.
As far as the Mustang logo on the Mach-E, how would those of you that are against it feel about a different horse logo like how Bronco has a horse logo but it is different. Mach-E could have a third iteration.
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14 minutes ago, rmc523 said:
2085! Right around the corner!
Great I'll only be 120 years old then
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14 hours ago, probowler said:
How does the government stealing less of other people's money equal you subsidizing their vehicle purchase?
People abusing the tax code and writing off everything as a business expense (most of which is not legitimate) is one issue while the government wasting, misappropriating and funneling our money to doners who help get them elected is another. Both things are true but that does not make either one less wrong.
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1 hour ago, Trailhiker said:
The Redskins team was first formed in Boston, and named after the colonists who dressed up to dump the tea in the harbor to protest taxes. When they moved to Washington, that fact was forgotten and it took on a different meaning. I have no opinion on renaming the team, but it would be good for their image if they asked the opinion of Native Americans for alternative names. If left to DC, they would be called something as bad as the Congressmen!
Now that is offensive. LOL!
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16 hours ago, rmc523 said:
Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you. Just saying it's opening a can of words in today's culture, especially since it's not an established name like Cherokee/Grand Cherokee.
I know what your saying but to me as long as you are being respectful it is good. The Cleveland Indians got flak not for their name but the cartoon mascot, the KC Chiefs and the Atlanta Braves have no problems but the Redskins do because the name is a derogatory term and has been used that way.
As long as you show respect to other cultures ( and Native Americans have a rich and proud one) most won't have an issue. Besides I wouldn't play up the theme I was just explaining why I thought the name would connect with "Scout"
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On 6/6/2019 at 3:39 PM, Jqa1824 said:
I could see a ‘Big Bronco’ that shares a platform with the F-150. It would use a front clip from the F-150 or Superduty but modified a bit to align with the other Broncos (perhaps unique front bumpers, headlights, etc). Then it would have two full size doors shared with F-Series but with two half doors ala an F-Series supercab and then an enclosed bed which might include a removable top (or for simplicity’s sake just an enclosed bed. I would guess this vehicle would be niche but I could see Ford selling 30,000 a year easily or more and it could command high prices, particularly if there was a Raptor style SVT version.
This would leave us with three and half Broncos:
Bronco Scout (C-sized 4 door)
Bronco (2 door)
Bronco (Max?) (4 door)
Bronco (?) (full-size)
But should this possible model be called?
Bronco Chief ( An Indian theme )
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35 minutes ago, PeterC6482 said:
This discourages regualr retail buyers. They don't want a sedan that could disappear from the market at any time.
I agree but don't really understand why. The car not continuing does not change the car you have purchased. So why would you care. Yes you can't buy another if you like it but when any car gets replaced by an all new model yes the name is the same but the old car is no longer being made. So what is the difference?
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On 6/4/2019 at 4:00 PM, T-dubz said:
yep, I think the rav4 xse hybrid is the best looking in the segment right now, and it also gets 41 mpg. If the bronco scout doesn’t work out, this will probably be at the top of my list.
Styling is obviously subjective and you are certainly entitled to you opinion but to my eye that is an ugly mess.
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20 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
So much for the V8 or nothing crowd
That's funny i missed the part where the article said they were selling none. There is still a V8 or nothing crowd, it is just getting smaller and will continue to shrink. It's sad but inevitable as not only the technology erases the performance gap but fuel gets more expensive and less people care about the V8's biggest and best advantage the "SOUND".
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On 4/6/2019 at 8:35 AM, ExplorerDude said:
That image is not even close to what the Mustang inspired BEV CUV will look like. It is definitely a sexy CUV with the perfect balance of style and utility. It won’t be FWD.
Again, Mustang Mach-E or just Mach-E has been the name that has been in discussion for a while now.
The front looks to be pretty spot on to the teaser image Ford released. So I guess the rest was a guess is is wrong.
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Torino works for me.
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I think the Escape styling is to grab as many sedan buyers as much as to be different from Maverick.
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15 hours ago, ExplorerDude said:
The Mach E is going to be a show stopper. It is stunning and truly the single greatest design Ford has pumped out in the last 10-20 years. I can’t wait for it to hit the streets. It should use the Mach E name not Mustang Mach E but it’s still TBD from last I heard. Lot of internal debate over it.
The 2021 F-150 goes into production in June 2020, way earlier than the last F-150 launches. It could be revealed at the Texas State Fair or in January at its own event. The 2020 Explorer reveal at Ford Field was a test for a large scale stand-alone reveal.
So it is a possibility it will be Mustang Mach E. I can't believe they are really considering this, just not needed. Mach E alone has the Mustang connection needed. I also think they should change the logo to a unique horse from the Mustang if they just use Mach E. Hopefully they make the right decision IMHO anyway.
Why a measured transition to electric vehicles would benefit the US
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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Second, even if the EV transition were to move as rapidly as the most aggressive plans call for, it would not necessarily maximize benefits for the climate. The climate advantage of an EV relative to a car with an internal combustion engine over its life cycle depends not only on the fuels used to generate the electricity it runs on, but also on emissions created during manufacturing. An EV charged by West Virginia’s coal-heavy system today, for instance, would actually emit more greenhouse gases than a hybrid gasoline-electric car, according to a recent MIT study. The same study points out that because most EV batteries today are sourced from Asia, a lot of coal is likely to be burnt to make them.
This is what people that think we need to rush into electric don't seem to understand. Now of course this will change over time and in the long run everything being electric will be cleaner, but rushing into it doesn't solve anything. Not to mention it is just unrealistic. We need to clean up making electricity on a large scale first. Wind and solar should definitely be part of the plan but I don't think they are the whole solution because of the limitations. Cold fusion would be nice but we are no closer today the twenty years ago as far as I know.