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It is a very sad time to be a Ford Fan. I have driven Fords exclusively since my first car I bought, a 1972 Mustang Mach 1. The aero design introduction in 1983 really kicked Ford into high gear for about a decade, probably the best time at least during my lifetime. Now with the death of all the sedans, Edge and soon Escape there is not much left and what is left is super expensive. Hopefully they have a good plan going forward maybe with hybrids first to transition to EVs later and some less expensive options.

I totally agree. They tried to do two things with Escape, 1. contrast it with the boxy Bronco Sport and 2. have it replace the old Escape and be a sedan alternative. I don't necessarily think that was a mistake but the execution was horrible. Instead of the rounded boring styling of the current Escape give it more angular sporty lines, sort of like a Range Rover Evoque. Not sure who said it but the quote went "You can sell a sporty car to someone who doesn't care about styling but you can't sell a boring car to someone who who does". Any segment can be styled sporty or "cool".

Problem is when inflation comes down that is only the rate of increase. Everything still costs a lot more and most of the costs will not come down. Probably the best we can hope for is that prices stay flat and what we make keeps going up.

My thoughts; 1. The 24" screen looks incomplete, maybe put the other 1/2 but not a screen just a black panel to finish it on the passenger side or some kind of bezel that tapers off on the right side. 2. The article I read said they blacked out the tailgate to bring attention to the fact that it is split. Not a good reason if it takes away from the look. I don't really like it. 3. The lights in the tailgate I assume are meant to mirror the front ones on the Tremor but they are just floating and would have been better connected to the taillights or put it some kind of trim bar like the front ones. 4. Front is too GM like and a little boring especially compared to the current front which I love.

So sad for the Edge. I saw the stagnation of the BEV market coming from a mile away. First you can not force a new technology onto the general public that is not ready to compete directly with what it is supposed to replace. Yes you have the new technology lovers, the something different lovers and the save the planet greenies. Once they were driving a BEV you would need to move onto the mainstream buyers. Unfortunately the range, speed of charging and convenience of charging locations all were not there. Then throw in the cost which is bad enough on the coasts but is even more of an obstacle in the middle of the country. Ford should have never threw all there eggs so quickly into the BEV basket and now they are paying the price. Will BEV eventually take over for ICE? Perhaps when solid state batteries are perfected. You never know though, a competing technology can come out of no where and take over, possibly synthetic fuel? That would allow for the current infrastructure to be retained. Who knows though if synthetic will be able to be produced to compete on price? Not me for sure. Whatever takes over needs to allowed to develop and take out gasoline without government interference. This is what happens when governments try to force something that is not ready to compete with the existing way.

Do you mean 50% of all vehicles on the road or 50% of new car sales in 2029. The former not a chance that will take way longer to get the middle of the county to transition. 50% of new car sales I still doubt it in 5 years. First quarter 2024 sales were 7.3% of the market. There are only 40 EV models for sale this year compared to how many ICE models? It will of course grow each year in models available and sales. I see more like 2040 to get to 50% new EV sales and longer to get to 90%. I doubt it will ever be 100% and lets not forget any competing non-ICE vehicles that may pop up in the next 20 years that could compete with EV.

That looks fantastic. Agree should be standard on Platinum and optional on ST.

LOL, please tell me what extra car will fit in the 9.5 inches gained by the Edge over the Explorer.

So many bad decisions, I remember when Ford would have 5 of the top 10 best sellers. Now only two of the top 25. Highlander and Grand Cherokee both outselling Explorer! RAV4/Camry 4/7, CRV/Accord 6/16 and Escape not in the top 25 while Fusion is no more. Corolla 13 , Civic 17 and Focus also no more. No Edge, Ranger, Bronco or Bronco Sport on the list. I have been a Ford guy since the mid eighties and this is the darkest time by far, so sad. Hopefully the near future will bring some brighter days. To top it off I am also a NY Giant fan and that has been prety bad for the last decade as well.

I think more like 20 years. You have to take into account battery supply, charging network, range, time to charge as well as moving doubters/haters into EV. In addition getting cost in line with ICE never mind the fact that the cost of electric has gone up negating some of that advantage. Yeah the coasts will start changing over but the middle of the country is going to take a long time.

Very well said.

Ford has had a lot of plans over the years as have other automakers, that doesn't mean it is going to happen just because it is their plan. To assume that the current rate of growth will accelerate over the next few years is probably a good guess, maybe, but after that you can not make that assumption. Right now they are getting all of the people that are fans of electric cars, but after that you have to get the haters and the apathetic. As long as the obsticles I mentioned earlier are met the apathetic will be easier, but what if the issues (some or all) still exist? I could not tell you how many people fall into the thre categories and that will have an impact on reaching that 45% as well. Again I will believe it when I see it. I have seen a lot of predictions about the future all of my life and one thing is for sure, most of them are incorrect one way or another. Of course that could also mean we hit 45% in 8 years,but I doubt it. Let us not also forget about the supply chain issues that persist and what the long term holds there. Also to assume we will eventually in any time frame be 100% electric and there will be no competing technology is to ignore the way the world works for the most part.

I will believe that when I see it. The move to BEV is going to greatly depend on charging infrastructure and solid state batteries (time to charge and range) as well as cost parity with ICE. If all of these move along quickly you may see that 45% of new car sales in 12 years. If one or more if not all of them move slower towards reality then you may be at more like 25% in that 12 year period if not lower. Time will tell and BEV also have to fight against the natural inclination against change a lot of people have.

LOL. I bought a 2013 GT Convertible last year and wanted Grabber Blue. The only one I could find was in Denver and I live in NJ. It was going to be about $1000 to ship it. So me and my two sons flew out on a Saturday to Denver and drove it 28 hours back to NJ. I spent about 6 hours overnight in the back while my son drove trying to get some sleep ( I am 6'2" 270 lbs). Let me tell you that is no luxury hotel back there, although I did manage to get some sleep on and off. I have had a 1972 Mach I, 1988 GT, 2007 V6 and the 2013. Both the '72 and the '88 while not being anything to brag about were bigger in the back than the '07 and '13. The '88 was the most roomy, the '72 was like being in a bunker. You couldn't see anything from back there. Needless to say none of them have gotten a lot of back seat time.

I have no doubt the power will be more than enough. It is the sound and the shifting I will miss, but I get sacrifices always need to be made in the name of progress. Sad but inevitable.

Not only is the Edge a good amount larger than Escape, there is no comparison in the perceived level of the two. Never mind the size no one is cross shopping Bronco Sport with Edge and Bronco is such a different animal (no pun intended). Now Mach E while significantly smaller does have a higher end feel probably even higher than Edge but at this point in time BEV are not on enough peoples radar to make it a viable alternative. I get not having a replacement gasser but keep the current one around until it dies out at least. This will definitely leave a big hole in the line up.

I sat in both back to back and despite the numbers the Escape seemed roomier front and especially in the back. Now I am 6' 2" and tall in the body so headroom does impact me a lot.

I agree from Escape to Explorer is a huge gap. Even though overall the MME and the Escape are similar in size, when you sit in them the Escape is much larger inside in the front and especially the back. A lot of this is due to height I guess.

I am curious what Edge is redundant with in Fords lineup?

I have a 2010 Escape hybrid at work which stops when you are at a light. I do not find it annoying at all and have not since I first got it. Is the Hybrid stop/start different then on the non-hybrid motors? I just don't get why so many people hate this feature so much. I really don't even notice it at all, but maybe it is different on the hybrid.

I saw "Constellation" flashed in the video, could that be the name of the new model?

I don't thin this is necessary at all. Most driving is back and forth to home, where the vehicle can be charged. On routes like highways where people are taking long trips yes but in general no. There are about five to eight gas stations within five minutes of my house in the suburbs. There are virtually no long distance travelers driving around most small and medium size towns and there is no need for electric at all of these locations even if 100% of the fleet was electric.

I would say No and No.

Agree and thank god because people can not drive anymore and are either on prescription drugs or just oblivious to what they ae doing. The number of people I see staring ahead like a zombie is amazing, driving is like the zombie apocalypse. The rest of them are apathetic and put no thought or care into how their actions effect anyone else.

There is no way this will happen so fast. Price has to come down, range has to go up, and charging time has to come down. Then comes the slow mainstream changeover starting more on the coasts and moving to the middle of the country. Just a guess but the decade of the '30's will be the accelerating change over and the '40's will be the fade out of the ICE to just the niche markets you mentioned.