stanleycel

QUOTE(stanleycel @ Feb 14 2006, 03:14 AM) I have a question that my husband says he already knows the answer to( go figure ) Please don't yell at me( or him ), but he has been out of the UAW for over 8 years now with almost 11 years of seniority. I think he needs to REjoin to make sure that he gets all of the buyout packages offered by Ford. I know-I know He says ALL employees will be offered the same packages whether they are in the union or not. Does anyone know if this is true or should he REjoin the UAW to be safe? :happy feet: Your husband has backbone for resigning from the UAW. NO ONE can be forced to be a UAW member. All members can resign from the UAW, although the UAW will not tell the members they have this option. The only thing you lose by resigning from the UAW is you cannot go in the union hall and you cannot attend union functions and most UAW members don't do either one anyway. Ford CANNOT give special treatment to union members, it is ILLEGAL. Ford/UAW JOINT FUNDS functions/activities/money MUST be given to ALL hourly workers, union member or not. Your husband is very smart and is correct. ALL buyout packages must be offered to ALL HOURLY workers. Your husband should not waste his money rejoining the UAW. Anyway, it is not UAW paying for the buyouts it is FORD's money. The UAW propaganda will tell you different. Also the union has been trying to stop the buyouts because they know that every member gone is less money the union will collect. :happy feet: QUOTE(AdamCaan @ Feb 14 2006, 06:32 AM) Your husband has backbone for resigning from the UAW. NO ONE can be forced to be a UAW member. All members can resign from the UAW, although the UAW will not tell the members they have this option. The only thing you lose by resigning from the UAW is you cannot go in the union hall and you cannot attend union functions and most UAW members don't do either one anyway. Ford CANNOT give special treatment to union members, it is ILLEGAL. Ford/UAW JOINT FUNDS functions/activities/money MUST be given to ALL hourly workers, union member or not. Your husband is very smart and is correct. ALL buyout packages must be offered to ALL HOURLY workers. Your husband should not waste his money rejoining the UAW. Anyway, it is not UAW paying for the buyouts it is FORD's money. The UAW propaganda will tell you different. Also the union has been trying to stop the buyouts because they know that every member gone is less money the union will collect. Best post yet (2006)!!!! :happy feet: QUOTE(AdamCaan @ Feb 14 2006, 06:32 AM) Your husband has backbone for resigning from the UAW. NO ONE can be forced to be a UAW member. All members can resign from the UAW, although the UAW will not tell the members they have this option. The only thing you lose by resigning from the UAW is you cannot go in the union hall and you cannot attend union functions and most UAW members don't do either one anyway. Ford CANNOT give special treatment to union members, it is ILLEGAL. Ford/UAW JOINT FUNDS functions/activities/money MUST be given to ALL hourly workers, union member or not. Your husband is very smart and is correct. ALL buyout packages must be offered to ALL HOURLY workers. Your husband should not waste his money rejoining the UAW. Anyway, it is not UAW paying for the buyouts it is FORD's money. The UAW propaganda will tell you different. Also the union has been trying to stop the buyouts because they know that every member gone is less money the union will collect. :happy feet: QUOTE(mtplifer @ Feb 14 2006, 05:20 PM) What is the procedure for quiting the UAW? Are all these statements you made true for all states in the US or just in a right to work state. Will management be notified to those who quit the union? At my plant there has been talk about this subject. If FoMoCo or the UAW tries anything shady, I guess you can always hire an attorney. You can use the below verbage or go to the website provided. Your resignation does not have to be fancy, just the facts. Be sure to mail a certified copy to your local union and to labor relations. You can use the below verbage or go to the website provided below. Effectively immediately, I resign from membership in Local _____________ UAW and all of its affiliated unions. Since I have resigned my membership in the union, you must immediately cease enforcing the dues check-off authorization agreement. Ford Motor Company my employer must cease dues deduction and CAP funds from my wages upon receipt of a copy of this letter/resignation. More specifically, I also ask that you promptly send me a copy of the actual dues deduction authorization form that I signed for my records. If you need specific information call toll-free line (800-336-3600). :happy feet: Stan has returned. At first, I was not pleased with my wife for posting since I already knew, but I guess she just needed some more info to ease her mind. However, I am now glad that she did post as this will clear up some things about being in the UAW or not. I do think it is mandatory for some states, but not for others and that is a shame. NO ONE should be forced to join an organization if they do not want to. I am fortunate to work in a RTW state. Thanks for all the info Adam you shared with others; you beat me to it! I want everyone to know that none of us is telling you to drop-out/join/whatever; IT'S YOUR CHOICE! If you notice one major difference between those in the union and those not in the union is the fact that NON-MEMBERS don't get all bent out of shape and upset at those in the union while MEMBERS overheat-get bent out of shape-get all angry at NON-MEMBERS. Everyone is free to choose--there is no need to get upset. Life is way too short for that! UAW members are hard at work at our plant making out like "if you ain't in the union, you won't receive a buyout package." Now, what kind of .... is this??? Why can't people just be HONEST; there's no sense in it day in and day out with the "union" lying just for "their" benefit NOT THE WORKERS!!! I would write more, but I'm not going to get started especially since I'm trying to ignore all of the ignorant posts from uaw members with a lack of brain power........NOT ALL....but some as all of us---members/non-members---know. And don't even get me started on the deadbeats......fake medical cases.......OOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I said I wasn't going to get started!!!!! Polska is wrong, (sorry Polska) Stan is right. I am union, and I believe in union.................but in its current form, not this union!!!!! As we see today, 4 more unions broke off from the AFL-CIO because of them using the money to back politicians, instead of using it to increase membership. You know, I am not going to make a case for or against staying in the UAW as it is personal. But if you ever want to be able to vote for your negotiaters, change the way things are, really protect the retirees who hopefully you will be a member of one day, you must cut off the cash to make them see it your way. As long as you keep pumping money, why would they listen? Scared about doing it? I don't blame you, and it really stinks. It really must be a concerted effort to change things, but I doubt it will happen. All I can really point out to you is------------------>for those of you who write ALL OVER this board how Bush sucks, is a hypocrite, is dumb, is a warmonger, etc, etc, etc, if you could cut off your taxes to put pressure on forcing them to change policy, would you? If you said yes for whatever reason, and you think the union is now using faulty logic, then it is time to get with like minded individuals and make the union take notice; in their pockets, and trust me when I tell you that it WILL make an impression...........especially if enough do it making a monetary impact on their forced charitable contributions!!! Understand, this is NOT about breaking the UAW. What it is about is realigning them for what is real today, forgetting about what was real yesterday, and making plans to implement strategy for what will more than likely be real tommorrow! :happy feet: I wrote this nice little piece that I almost posted, but had to table, because of all the flack that I generated last time I posted something unfavorable. I have instead chosen to speak with my political advisors, and perhaps the Local before I post what I had written. Last time I posted, there were a couple hundred upset people who called the Hall and tried to have me fired, (and still are trying, Hi guys!), people at work I thought were decent people no longer cared to associate with me, (no one ever said they had to in the first place, right?), and that doesn't include some of the better childish things that people have done. Anyways, before I get the switchboard jammed up over at the Union Hall again, I will ask them to answer one question before I post my lengthy dissertation on things again. At least I will hopefully have their answer to post here alongside it, at the very worst, they will know which day to turn off the phone or get extra help in answering it. :happy feet: Polska, Respectfully, good people will not change the equation fast enough. We had our chance for the last how many years, to get smart, driven, educated people in there with some business sense to run our part of the deal, and we did not do it; plain and simple. Now the everything is quickly coming to a head, and we no longer have time to move these people through the ranks so as they will be there in time to do anything. No sir, we do not!!! We must make it clear they do the majoritys bidding, or the best they will be able to do for the forseeable future is kiss a democrats ass, instead of support them with cash!!! As far as Kizinti goes, that is sad state of affairs. You see, I am guessing the "diversity" the union speaks of, is only diversity of everything as long as you agree 100% with union dogma. You can be any color, creed, or have any sexual orientation, but you HAVE to agree with the powers that be. Diversity??? Baloney, macaroni and cheese. Be an automoton, absolutely YES! Finally, let me point out to everyone that Kizinti goes the extra mile for customers looking up orders, cares about/trys to fix complaints, cares about the future of Ford, etc, etc, etc on mostly his own time. This is the type of person our union wants to give grief???????????????? And they protect deadbeats????????????? If you have any sense, you now know one of the main reasons we are losing. The people inside the plant he works who think something is really wrong with the way our union does business are probably scared to death. The inmates will continue to run the asylum, and if the path does not change, the trapdoor is going to open on everyone. P.S. Kizinti, don't even try to inform anyone how to put pressure by getting out........at least temporarily from the union, it is not worth it. You have already gone the extra mile to help fellow employees and the company, and as the old saying goes, "no good deed goes unpunished." At least if it all unravels, you can hold your head high knowing you tried. And to think, you didn't even have to use the words ****sucker, mother******, jack***, bit**, or ****head to do it. Out in the REAL world, most people would say the UAW surely could use more like ya; and I agree. Thnx for being helpful and informative. :happy feet: Greetings All To Recap for those just joining us and the 30,000 that will be in the street soon(myself included): ALL ACTIVE FORD EMPLOYEES(HOURLY) WILL RECEIVE THE SAME BUYOUT PACKAGES WHETHER HE/SHE IS A MEMBER OF THE UAW OR NOT. ALL MEMBERS & NON-MEMBERS OF THE UNION WILL RECEIVE THE EXACT SAME BUYOUT PACKAGES. Ford Motor Company is providing and paying for the packages. It's not because FORD loves all of us, but because it is BEST for Ford's bottom line ... that gen/sub/MEDICAL BENEFITS/etc. add up quickly. Ford has run the numbers and these buyout packages benefit both parties involved. The UAW is not providing the packages! However, I am not sure if the UAW will be taking their "CUT" like they do most of the time like with profit sharing, Christmas bonus, etc. The uaw may want to take that % that they usually get --- I don't know if it applies here. If someone knows, please let all of us know.(Thanks) If they do get their regular cut................. 1% to 1.9% whatever it is...?...and you elect the 100K, that just might be another $1000-$1900 you have said BYE-BYE to after taxes and such???? Oh yeah....someone stated that non-members continue to pay the union??? I'm not sure if you meant the "legal fees" for the "free lawyer" we all get for working at Ford??? Non-members do "pay" or have it added to one check at the end of the year and "taken off"..... that and it seems like something else.....maybe.......I forgot~~ it was a very small amount...maybe $22/$32 year, but that's it. I don't know if that's what you meant or not, but once you leave the union, you stop paying union dues and anything else related to the union except for that $25 or so for the free lawyer services,etc. we all get at Ford....YES...NON-MEMBERS get to use the lawyer too and everything else except going to the union meetings and such which I didn't do when I was a member, but LIFE IS GOOD............. still!!!!

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Greetings All :blink: To Recap for those just joining us and the 30,000 that will be in the street soon(myself included): ALL ACTIVE FORD EMPLOYEES(HOURLY) WILL RECEIVE THE SAME BUYOUT PACKAGES WHETHER HE/SHE IS A MEMBER OF THE UAW OR NOT. ALL MEMBERS & NON-MEMBERS OF THE UNION WILL RECEIVE THE EXACT SAME BUYOUT PACKAGES. Ford Motor Company is providing and paying for the packages. It's not because FORD loves all of us, but because it is BEST for Ford's bottom line ... that gen/sub/MEDICAL BENEFITS/etc. add up quickly. Ford has run the numbers and these buyout packages benefit both parties involved. The UAW is not providing the packages! However, I am not sure if the UAW will be taking their "CUT" like they do most of the time like with profit sharing, Christmas bonus, etc. The uaw may want to take that % that they usually get --- I don't know if it applies here. If someone knows, please let all of us know.(Thanks) If they do get their regular cut................. 1% to 1.9% whatever it is...?...and you elect the 100K, that just might be another $1000-$1900 you have said BYE-BYE to after taxes and such???? :angry: Oh yeah....someone stated that non-members continue to pay the union??? I'm not sure if you meant the "legal fees" for the "free lawyer" we all get for working at Ford??? Non-members do "pay" or have it added to one check at the end of the year and "taken off"..... that and it seems like something else.....maybe.......I forgot~~ it was a very small amount...maybe $22/$32 year, but that's it. I don't know if that's what you meant or not, but once you leave the union, you stop paying union dues and anything else related to the union except for that $25 or so for the free lawyer services,etc. we all get at Ford....YES...NON-MEMBERS get to use the lawyer too :D and everything else except going to the union meetings and such which I didn't do when I was a member, but LIFE IS GOOD............. still!!!! It is now time to go do a little fishing and catch some big ones Friday - Sunday.....YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope everybody has a good weekend --- I will! :D B) :D

Yes, Ranger---the uaw is good at stuff like that and YES, you have "WASTED" your union dues just like I did for about 3 years before I dropped out of the uaw and said....C-YA and kept that $600+ in my wallet every year since! :D But I still like my uaw people---just not the uaw or what it stands for, but life is good even if I'll be on the street with ya in the near future. Take care! B) PS: For the 30,000 individuals who will be "shut-down" ~~~ You might want to take a look at the {REjoin the Union?} posts if you want to keep approx. $1500.00 in your pocket out of that $100K buyout. ???????????????????? Union members will have to pay it??????I'm not sure... I'm not in the union so I won't be paying it.........but as always-----------it's your choice and I hope you get your $$$$$$$$$$'s worth.

Stan has returned. At first, I was not pleased with my wife for posting since I already knew, but I guess she just needed some more info to ease her mind. However, I am now glad that she did post as this will clear up some things about being in the UAW or not. I do think it is mandatory for some states, but not for others and that is a shame. NO ONE should be forced to join an organization if they do not want to. I am fortunate to work in a RTW state. Thanks for all the info Adam you shared with others; you beat me to it! I want everyone to know that none of us is telling you to drop-out/join/whatever; IT'S YOUR CHOICE! If you notice one major difference between those in the union and those not in the union is the fact that NON-MEMBERS don't get all bent out of shape and upset at those in the union while MEMBERS overheat-get bent out of shape-get all angry at NON-MEMBERS. Everyone is free to choose--there is no need to get upset. Life is way too short for that! UAW members are hard at work at our plant making out like "if you ain't in the union, you won't receive a buyout package." Now, what kind of .... is this??? Why can't people just be HONEST; there's no sense in it day in and day out with the "union" lying just for "their" benefit NOT THE WORKERS!!! I would write more, but I'm not going to get started especially since I'm trying to ignore all of the ignorant posts from uaw members with a lack of brain power........NOT ALL....but some as all of us---members/non-members---know. And don't even get me started on the deadbeats......fake medical cases.......OOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I said I wasn't going to get started!!!!!

I have a question that my husband says he already knows the answer to( go figure <_< ) Please don't yell at me( or him ), but he has been out of the UAW for over 8 years now with almost 11 years of seniority. I think he needs to REjoin to make sure that he gets all of the buyout packages offered by Ford. I know-I know :unsure: He says ALL employees will be offered the same packages whether they are in the union or not. Does anyone know if this is true or should he REjoin the UAW to be safe? :unsure:

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