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  1. There is a huge difference between keeping a minivan that already has a competitive modern platform and a loyal customer base versus trying to develop one from scratch and add it to the manufacturing mix and take away buyers from other established brands. There is also a difference between a manufacturer like Honda who only has a few vehicles versus Ford who has many many vehicles that all require capital investment.

     

    Ford could easily go after the minivan market but it would have to give up something else to do it.

  2. There is a huge difference between fault and responsibility. It's ultimately Ford's responsibility and I don't see Ford trying to shirk that. They're responsible for every vehicle they sell and they are fixing them.

     

    Pointing out that it was a part problem caused by a manufacturing defect is the truth and it would make me feel better that they knew exactly what failed and why and that it would not reoccur.

     

    Regardless of how much something costs, you can't expect something so mechanically complicated to never ever have a problem. It's just not realistic.

  3. That could be confusing!

     

    Cars parked outside, you normally keep them locked. Hit unlock to unlock your car to get in. Forget it unlocks the other cars too. Now you have 2 cars unlocked while you drive off. :)

     

    I did this 2 previous vehicles (forgot which ones though). I had different keys but only one fob that worked for both vehicles. We don't lock the cars in the garage so 99% of the time there was only one vehicle in range at a time. The rare occasions when they were near each other (at the tennis court was the most common) I did have to be careful when unlocking my car to leave. If you locked your vehicles at home then that just wouldn't work at all.

  4. I have two Super Duties and two newfoundlands... an Excursion would excellent for hauling dogs and people in the MN winter instead of loading dog crates into a F350.

     

    The way I see it Ford has three options:

     

    1. continue on its current path with an underpower car based expedition with poor sales

    2. add a diesel and the 6.2 to the expedition, plus lift it out of crossover height, and upgrade to a solid rear axle to gain ok sales

    3. build a diesel excursion with air ride rear suspension, coil front suspension (great turning radius) and acheive 50,000+ vehicles sold per year

     

    What planet have you been living on? The Expedition is still built on a modified F150 platform. It's not car based and it's certainly not crossover height.

     

    And whatever poor sales the expedition has now - the Excursion you propose would be FAR worse.

  5. Recently Motorweek had a $25k CUV Shootout. 2013 Escape was included, but didn't make the top four (out of six). They didn't talk about it much, but called it a bare-bones model. Wish they'd gone more in depth on why it didn't make the cut.

     

    http://www.motorweek...ssover_shootout

     

    They do these with Healey from USA Today and Cars.com and some random family. There is never a good explanation for their ratings.

  6. I remember incentives in the past (might even be years ago) that very explicity stated that you must take delivery before a certain date for the incentive to be applied. Maybe they decided to alter this policy to keep customers happy.

     

    That's still what all of the incentives say. The rebate protection program supercedes that. Like I said they've had this policy in Canada for years and for certain dealers in the U.S. They just expanded it.

  7. Our dealer said we would get either the incentive at time of purchase or time of delivery whichever was greater. I'm not sure if that is Ford's policy or if the dealer makes it work with the holdback money they get from Ford.

     

    It's Ford policy. It used to only be available to certain dealers but they opened it up to more dealers a couple of years ago. Not sure if it applies to ALL dealers though but it is legit and does come from Ford. Ford's done this in Canada for years.

  8. oh, trust me , no offense taken, was just pointing out, as is witnessed on this thread, some are completely transfixed on price....compromise seems to be a dying art, thus there always seems to be someone pi$$ed off about some part of the deal somewhere.

     

    I always wanted to run an ad on tv that said you could lease a brand new F150 for just $50/month for 36 months.

     

    $30K due at signing.

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  9. If they hate MFT, why single out the Edge? Virtually every Ford product has it available now, and you can still get the Edge without it if you don't like it. I have no complaints about the ride - it's just as good if not smoother than other cars I've driven.

     

    Because it was first one with MFT and it was the one they tested in the magazine where they noted the problems. They're just regurgitating what their magazine articles said without any real thought or research.

  10. We purchased our 2013 Escape off X plan and it was just short of 2K off MSRP. Then it is rebate time. And you get what the rebate is available at the time of delivery. In addition, a max of $100 doc fee on X plan. I think our dealer charges like $300 otherwise. I like the X plan route, because I find all the negotiating stupid, and I am left wondering if I got a good price or not.

     

    Most dealers can offer you the option of the incentives in place at time of order OR at time of delivery, whichever you choose.

  11. NASCAR is #1 as in they sell the most tickets & have the best TV ratings of any other motorsport. I'm not saying NASCAR is the best form of motorsports, just #1. The Camry is the #1 selling car, but it is not the best car. The Dallas Cowboys are one of the most popular & profitable sports teams in he world, but they are NOT the best.

     

    Have you seen the 2013 NASCAR Fusion? It is the best looking "stock" car ever. I don't know what Ford spends on NASCAR, but it's a form of advertising and even when they were cutting everything they could to save money, getting out of NASCAR completely was never a real option for them which tells me here must be some ROI, even it's break even.

     

    Think about what you just said - the vast majority of NASCAR fans are already brand loyal - so there's no benefit to advertising to them. I think the main reason Ford is still in NASCAR can be summed up in 4 words: Yates, Roush, Wood Brothers.

     

    I've been to many races, for the fans that are there, the manufacturer logo on the hood is as, if not more important than who's behind the wheel.

     

    Really? So if Dale Jr. moved to Toyota he wouldn't be the most popular driver any more?

     

    If that were true then nobody would be pulling for any Toyota drivers.

     

    Outside of a few hardcore brand loyalists I believe most fans root for the drivers, not the makes.

  12. I will disagree with you.

     

    The big thing with shutting plants in the US was upper management admitting that they will NEVER sell as many cars in the used to back in the 1990s. Remember, that in the 90s they were within spitting distance of passing GM volume

     

    I don't think that's exactly what they were thinking. They were probably thinking that they weren't going to get back to that volume in the next few years and that if and when they needed additional plant capacity they would be better off building newer more flexible plants.

  13. What Gloria said. You go girl.

     

    Why is it that any time someone tries to put reported problems into a factual context people like V8-X and Cheri somehow equate that to claiming there are NO problems at all or that Ford should ignore the situation?

     

    The original MFT was a total fiasco but even it did not affect every vehicle produced. We had Edge owners who hardly ever had a problem with the original software, but any time that was mentioned the folks who had problems went ballistic calling me a Ford employee and apologist, etc. Until the other owners actually spoke up and confirmed that they were not having the same problems as everyone else.

     

    If 75% of a model has a serious problem that's one thing. If 10% have a minor issue then that's entirely different.

     

    Like Gloria said - Perspective please.

  14. The X plan formula is dealer invoice (the real invoice which includes advertising, etc.) minus 0.4% (that's 4/10ths of 1 percent) plus $275. It used to be less than dealer invoice.

     

    It is possible to get lower than X plan but you have to beware of 2 things:

     

    1 - rebates. With X plan you still get all rebates and sometimes additional rebates. If X plan is $30k as printed on the invoice but there is a $1k rebate then your final X plan price is $29k.

    The dealer could be quoting you $30K AFTER the rebate which means you're actually paying $1K more.

     

    2 - doc fees or other hidden fees/dealer add-ons. With X plan the dealer cannot charge more than $100 for the doc fee and forced dealer add-ons are not allowed. Without an actual X plan pin the dealer could charge you $500 doc fee and/or force you to buy paint protection or pay a dealer prep fee, etc.

     

    That said, there are some dealers who are basically giving away new vehicles. I don't understand why or how they stay in business but it is possible. You just have to be very very careful.

     

    I still use X plan because it's safer and the dealer gets a spiff check for each plan sale. I don't mind the dealer making a few hundred bucks.

  15. Saying that NASCAR is the number one motorsport in the U.S. is like saying the Rangers are the #1 hockey team.

     

    On top of that, NASCAR is all about the drivers and the teams now, not the mfrs. All the cars are identical. Winning on Sunday doesn't mean squat for the mfr on Monday.

     

    NASCAR is not a wise investment for any mfr right now.

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  16. Retail orders (Order Type "1") are order placed for a specific customer. A/X/Z Plan type orders are just another type of retail order for specific customers that qualify for A/X/Z purchase plans. Dealers orders are placed as stock (Order Type "2") ar "Demo" (Order Type "B"). Retail orders are given priority for scheduling ahead of other order types based on any commodity restrictions in place for a scheduling week.

     

    I know that's what Retail typically means but in the context of the order guide saying that the manual transmission is only available on retail orders doesn't make sense.

     

    Also - at the top of each section it refers to "Retail series mix" - again, I don't think that would only apply to customer orders.

  17. Ford is one of the lowest rank automakers in the US, how rational do you expect people to be when they see that? We don't even understand the full extent of the problem, let alone an average consumer. How do you expect them to rationalize the scope of the problem? I'm just asking.

     

    You overestimate how much the AVERAGE car buyer knows or cares about these things. Most buyers go by looks and/or performance and/or what their peers have. They don't read automotive websites and all they know about the vehicles are what they see on TV or at the dealer or on the mfr website.

  18. And there seems to be some confusion regarding "PowerShift" on the Focus related to the truck six speed trannys? It is my understanding and I have tried to learn - we really do need to buy a new truck sooner than later.

     

    The new six speed in the trucks is a mating of two three speed trannys. And, many of the problems are due to software between the new engines and this tranny. And, not likely resolved yet. Especially with the Eco-Boost.

     

    As I have mentioned before and guess there are many others out there "blowing smoke". Go to F150forum.com and read all night long. Don't skip the stickies - they are current. This forum has turned into a meeting place for those with problems. And hard even for you folks to ignore.

     

    Maybe Ford is getting a handle on the issues and it is beginning to feel that way. But, I don't see any way to look at this other than the newer trucks - 2011/early 2012 have some problems.

     

    That is why I made that earlier post about the quality ratings. There is likely more to it than meets even the "blind" eye.

     

    I'm pretty sure Gloria reads just as many, if not more, online F150 forums as you and she has a different conclusion.

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