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Dear God, I'm between RJ and Biker 16...HELP!
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For anyone who thinks bad reviews impact vehicle sales, just go check out Camry and Corolla.
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When I read FordBuyer's comment, he has no idea what he is talking about.
FTFY
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In the end Ford lost. Even though the dealer pays for the car when it takes delivery...they still lost. Nobody won, the customer, dealer nor Ford.
The point was that it wasn't Ford's fault because they have no control over dealers. It was a lost customer for Ford but unfortunately there isn't much Ford itself can do about it.
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That's what I meant when I said each offer determines what can be combined with what. It varies by offer. Sometimes you get a choice between cash OR financing. Sometimes you get a choice between a large rebate OR a smaller rebate with low APR.
The important thing is the only rebate that requires financing with Ford is the Ford credit rebate which was not the case here.
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I agree - called the number and was told what i already knoew. That my car was built mid october and is still sitting in the lot in Mexico with a TBD
Why didn't your dealer order a new one?
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Just for clarification - there are two different types of rebates. One is just retail cash back and it's not dependent on anything. The other is a Ford credit rebate for financing with Ford. Obviously you have to finance with Ford to get the Ford credit rebate. These 2 rebates are separate from any lowered interest rates from Ford financing. Each offer determines which offers can be combined with the other offers.
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It's about knowing the market both current and future. Most of the casual truck buyers who didn't need a truck and/or did not want to pay for the fuel abandoned the truck market. That already happened as evidenced by the now much lower truck volume.
How do you gain a competitive advantage in that market going forward? Ford does not want to be the lowest cost provider or compete solely on price. It's usually better to have lower volume and higher profit because it requires less overhead and less investment and it's better able to withstand a downturn. If you're doing huge volume with low margins and volume falls off your huge fixed costs can't be cut back.
If you can offer a full sized truck with full capability with class leading fuel economy then you will own the full sized truck market and that market is not shrinking any more. As the economy recovers it will actually grow again.
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Another reviewer who thinks Lincoln has to hit a home run with one car or they're doomed forever. The usual MLT bashing was expected. And putting on ringer tires was just stupid. Why not put those tires on an optional sport package if they're so good? You notice they didn't give any credit for the handling even with the tires.
I bet if you read the ES350 review it won't have any of those negative connotations even in areas where the MKZ is better.
"This is not the car that will save Lincoln."
Good thing it's not supposed to do that.
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It just says its $1000 Retail Customer Cash. Nothing about ford credit.. but I didn't have much choice other than to trust the dealer.
Since the rebate comes from Ford and not the dealer you should be ok.
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That's BS unless it's a Ford financing rebate and even then I don't think you have to decide until you take delivery.
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yes, it is the same situation with the F-series where The full sized PIck-up market should contract due fuel prices forcing downsizing into smaller vehicles, but because of brand loyalty and lack of smaller models with an appreciable increasing in economy, (price and Fuel Economy), buyer have not downsized.
The volumes and profits of the F-series prevent Any significant changes to the Model.
Now if a manufacture were to develop, a true Compact pick up that significantly differs in price and efficiency from the full sized segment, something the current batch of medium pickups.
For example.
http://www.fuelecono...rchtyp=marClass
the most efficient Automatic midsized pick up the Tacoma 2WD nets a combined 21mpg the Silverado, get the same 21mpg but with more capability.
IMO the sweet spot in the Sub full sized pick up market has not been found, if the customer is going sacrifice capability in a smaller truck there needs to be more of an upside, then the current crop of trucks offer today.
That sweet spot I suppose would be < 17 grand, and economy of > 30mpg hwy or 25 mpg combined.
The result will be the F150 is a better truck, but the GM truck will be cheaper to build and can be sold at lower price, so in price war Ford could have it's margins compromised.
since 90% of ford profits come from the F-series and Expy/navi
You really don't understand the U.S. truck market. It's already contracted. The people who don't need a truck bought cars or CUVs. The people who buy full sized trucks now either need full sized trucks or they want full sized trucks and are willing to pay for them and for the fuel.
A F150 that gets 5 mpg better than the current model will sell far better than a small truck that gets 10 mpg better.
The Colorado and Canyon will only split GMs truck market share between 2 lines, not increase it incrementally.
A transit connect with a pickup bed would do far better and probably wouldn't cannibalize F150 sales to do it.
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The second car (and first new one) I ever bought was a 86 Acura Integra manual. That was one of my most favorite cars. My wife had a civic sedan and 2 Accords before switching to an Explorer in 1993.
I don't like Toyotas but it has nothing to do with being Japanese. It has to do with being Toyota.
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The Toyota Prius C is EPA rated at 53 MPG city. Consumer Reports' review of the Prius C says they got 37 MPG city. That's a 16 MPG deficit. In CR's report from last week, the first one that was so critical of the FFH and the C Max, they say "The largest discrepancy we've previously seen was 7 and 6 MPG for the Toyota Prius C...".
So, their published report on the Prius C says they got 16 MPG under the EPA city rating. This new report from last week says they got 7 MPG less. Which is it?
They were talking about the overall rating which was the average of 3 different tests. The 16 mpg deficit (and 19 for the Prius) was only on the city portion.
I already pointed out this hypocrisy, even if technically it was accurate because it was a different set of tests.
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I've got a 2013 Fusion Titanium Hybrid ordered. Its been about 3 or 4 weeks now since my order was placed into the Ford sales system. According to my salesman, production orders will start to be accepted the begining of January. I think the VIN will be assigned once the production order is entered into the build schedule at the actual vehicle assembly plant. Getting the VIN assigned is important because this will enable my Ford dealer to search for the best loan rate, which if not satisfactory to me, than triggers my own loan search. Personal car loan interest rates are not going to stay low forever so I would like to get it locked in ASAP.
You don't need a VIN to do your own loan search which you should already have in hand before you get the dealer's offer. That way you know you're good either way and you don't have to wait.
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I'm pretty sure that is the employee price. Fordparts.com lists the parts at over $1200 now. Either way, it doesn't really matter, because I'm buying my Fusion on the X plan. Say what you will, but I think the Titanium tail lights make for a much safer car at night, since they light up way more than the SE tail lights do. If you've ever had somebody rear end you while sitting at a stop light at night, because the other driver "didn't see you" like I have, then you'd understand it.
I take it you're totally against smoked taillights then? Good for you.
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I meant all the MFT systems but it also gets all of the systems in the car as well. Try the fuse first.
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No scraper's doing anything for frost like this though, which is what I usually see. Too thin. (not my car)
You definitely need a new scraper.
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The difference between a fuse pull and a battery cable pull is the battery cable gets all systems and the fuse pull just gets the APIM.
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Well, I'm pretty sure Ford, GM, Fiasco, Toyota, and Nissan, among others, are still using OHV engines. I don't think any of them have used flatheads since the '50s... :fear:
Dammit. I'm not supposed to be on this end of witty semantic barbs.......
That's what I get for trying to save typing 4 letters.
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I would guess it's because not too many people looking for a midsize family sedan is looking for a manual. They probably just don't move fast enough to even have it sit on the lot. And Ford definitely seems like it tries to keep it's inventory flowing, and not sitting stagnant. Definitely sucks for those who still prefer the MT, and can't even test drive it though.
But that's up to the dealer to worry about, not Ford. This is totally out of the ordinary to restrict such a feature to retail orders only.
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That's only ONE of the highway tests. They added a high speed test that includes one run up to 80 mph.
The EPA test isn't intended to show you the mpg that you will get because that varies widely from driver to driver. It's only intended to provide a solid reference point to compare two vehicles and for CAFE enforcement.
The problem with CR's test is that their highway test is run at a steady 65 mph while the EPA test is mostly below 60. The Fusion hybrid can go up to 62 mph in electric mode, thus the huge difference. On the city test the Fords are right in line with the Prius V, Sonata and Camry hybrids and far better than the Prius and Prius C which were 19 and 16 mpg worse than their EPA city rating.
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Well I've waited 12 months as of today
Stop with the drama. You've been waiting less than 4 months from your order date and less than 2 months from the earliest ETA.
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How about we all read the entire Consumer Reports post before demanding an apology:
How about you read the first 2 articles that started this mess:
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'13 MKZ Review by Edmunds
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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Do you not understand the difference between reviewers with unrealistically high expectations versus the average buyer?
Reviews (especially online reviews) have almost no effect on sales unless they point out things that would actually deter the average buyer. I think sales will be just fine and probably increase 30% - 50% over the 2012 and if that's the case then it's a win for Ford.