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Ford don't do rentals anymore, some Fords are still selling 96% rentals here?
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/07/06/what-ac...t-half-of-2007/
Still telling porkie pie lies.
Check back at the end of the year and let's see who's lying. You can't just stop rental fleet sales altogether January 1 - there are contracts to fill. Check the monthly sales press release which consistently says rental fleet sales are being reduced. Unless you think they're lying also.
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Who has taken over from Ford in the car rental business in NORTH AMERICA (Just interested) if Ford have pulled out of it? its not Jaguar is it, sales seem a bit down?
Kia and Hyundai for starters.
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I don't understand why Ford didn't do this program years ago. Do you know how many years people have been asking Ford for the Falcon? 2011 is a very fast turnover ... but Ford should have been developing this car before Alan Mullaly came over.
Of course they should have been doing this all along, including joint development with FoE. But that wasn't happening. Bill Ford never forced FoA, FoNA and FoE to share anything. They operated as separate entities even to the point of keeping some of their data secret from the others. They only cooperated on joint projects if both parties voluntarily agreed to work together. They even had separate meetings with the CEO.
First thing Mullaly did was put everyone in one meeting, took off the blinders and shared all the numbers with everyone and put a global product czar in place to force Ford to act line one big company instead of a bunch of smaller ones.
This is why he's worth whatever he's being paid, because very few CEOs could pull this off in such a short timeframe.
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Well l am glad see Ford don’t offer incentives anymore, but Ford have been giving huge discounts in Europe some would call them suicide prices, Ford Ka’s for £4,995 they were selling for double that price ten years ago, Ford are still flooding car rentals in the UK.
Fords new Mondeo needs discounts alraedy to shift them?
http://www.nccsales.co.uk/new_car_details....r=cder_ID.36967
http://www.nccsales.co.uk/new_car_details....r=cder_ID.37442
Ford have pulled out of car rentals?
https://www.hertz.co.uk/rentacar/byr/index....n=globNav_3_2_3
Type in London heathrow as the destination, what no Ford rental cars anymore?
Somebody is telling a few porky pie lies here?
Ford NORTH AMERICA has drastically reduced rental fleet sales and the new vehicles (Edge/MKX, Taurus/500, Fusion/Milan/MKZ) have never had more than $1K in rebates at any time. In the past $2K or $3K rebates were commonplace. Ford now seems willing to cut back on production rather than up the incentives. No lies here.
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Alan Mullaly has come in and hit all the loss making bits hard, capacity has been reduced so sales are going to show a downward trend for a year so next year sales figures will stabilise Richard.
But Ford & Fiat were both making big billion dollar losses at exactly the same time, Fiat have already turned the corner they just chose to do it different way to Ford. Fiats were “PRODUCT DESIGN LED” Fords was chopping the jobs. Who do you think is taking the right path?
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle2009327.ece
But they didn't reduce sales due to the reduction in capacity. They reduced the EXCESS capacity that existed because sales had already tanked. The problem is Ford spent so many years creating artificial demand by fleet dumping and huge incentives just to keep market share.
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Interesting. The dealers around here still advertise the 2007 figures.
Of course they do. Wouldn't you until you were forced to stop?
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What is going to leave the Prius in the back lot is people finding out that it's actual mileage is 17 MPG less than the EPA estimates on average!
The 2008 EPA figure for the Prius is 45 mpg - exactly what people have been getting in the real world.
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There are many legal ramifications to changing the test. The CAFE is based upon the test, so changing the test could alter a companies immediate and long term planning for compliance. From a CAFE point the original numbers are still used for the companies calculation, the refactored numbers are for display purposes only.
They still use the same tests for 08 that they used for pre-08 so the CAFE calculations haven't changed at all. What they've done is add MORE realistic tests to the mix that gets averaged together for the 08 sticker values.
It's all explained at fueleconomy.gov.
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White sand is a new colour for 08. There is a white chocolate from the 07 palette but that is a tricoat and a different paint code. Will have to wait to see in person.
The 07 Explorer Limited and F150 Lariat both have a White Sand Tri-Coat color for 07 and it's the same paint code as the Lincoln only White Chocolate (PV).
Lincoln's Vivid Red is the same paint code as Ford's Redfire (G2).
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The thing is, the blame IS on your dealer. The dealer is the one who is supposed to be the one on top of what is offered, when and why.
If they're not doing their job, Ford has little recourse, which is why they kept sending you back to the dealer.
In fact, if Ford tried to get involved they would probably get sued by the dealer for violating franchise laws. Sad but true.
You screwed up by not getting the rebates in writing one way or the other at the time of the sale. Live and learn and find a new dealer.
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While it is unfair what the dealer is doing to you, it likely won't do you much good to use that as a "threat".
With all your X-Plan, incentives, etc. that removes a lot of a dealer's profit from the sale. So while you might not buy the car, someone likely will, and the dealer will make more profit on that same car.
Hope you get it worked out.
The dealer gets a spiff check from Ford for each plan sale so I don't think they're losing much profit in the long run. If they were then they wouldn't sell plan vehicles.
And I do think you have the option of having Ford mail you the rebate checks directly instead of assigning them to the dealer and having them deducted on the spot. Not sure why you'd ever want to do that but it is possible.
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When is Ford going to eliminate the prop rod on the hoods of the Edge and MKX?
Spending that kind of money, especially for the Lincoln MKX, to discover that the hood has a prop rod is a deal breaker for me.
Why is this such a big frickin' deal with so many people? Most people never use it - the rest use it a few times a year. Get over it.
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Was wondering that myself.
I think the 2.4 is the naturally aspirated entry level engine replacing the 2.3 and the 2.5 is the GTTDI producing 260 hp.
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Hi
We just got our new Escape Hybrid 4wd on 6-30-07. Had on order for about three months.
We were not given the extra $545.00 that Ford had on the web that was to be till 7-2-07.
We love the FEH but would like to know what happened to the extra cash.
We purchased at Long Mcarthur in Salina Kansas.
Thanks.
What did the dealer say?
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Hmmmm....sounds like my dealer could be offering me a heckuva deal, then! He's telling me that each dealer employee gets 2 D-plans per year...and that he's not used both of his yet. I may have to look seriously at a new Ford with him.
Thanks!
Just be sure he's not adding other fees or keeping rebates that you'd otherwise be entitled to. If he's really giving you a D plan PIN then it's probably legit. If he's just saying you can have the D plan price then be very careful.
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I have to wonder if that's a typo on the Fusion/Milan. Can't see them having 4 channel and the MKZ only having 3 channel, plus you'd think if they had 4 channel they'd offer AdvanceTrac now.
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I'm looking at buying an electronic rust control system for my new Ford.
Is anybody familiar with these modules? Do they work? :shrug:
The marine industry has used them for years, maybe decades. As far as I know they work as advertised.
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Well, I pick up my gorgeous 2007 Expedition Limited - White Sand / Stone- in two days. It was shipped from Michigan Truck on 5/31, and it had a grand total of 2.5 miles on it when I test drove it yesterday. I can't wait to get it home.
Can the pros on this forum give me some tips as to how to break this vehicle in right? Should we take it easy for the first 500 miles, or is that necessary with this truck? We tow a boat from time to time, and want to know if we should refrain from towing until we put a few miles on her.
Any input is appreciated.
thank you....
Trish
The info is in the owner's manual (that book in the glove compartment that nobody seems to read) but basically you just need to vary your speed for the first few hundred miles and not put it on cruise control at the same speed for long periods of time. I don't think there's any reason not to tow right away but again - RTFM to be safe.
You can read the OM now online before you even pick up the truck at https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/owne...als/default.asp
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I'm dissapointed the Edcge and Escape didnt receive upgraded braking.
How do you know they didn't? They didn't publish any performance data.
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The $500 is not an issue. It may help move a few units as they roll in.
Keep in mind that many dealers have zero of these cars on the lot at this point. Of the six dealers in this area only 3 had even one in stock as of yesterday. Today the 2nd largest dealer in this area got his first one. I happened to be there when they took it off the truck. These cars are very nice looking, a huge improvement, addressing the weak points of the Five Hundred. Not the least of which was the silly name.
Yes they are big cars. thats who they are aimed at, big car buyers. And people who are tired of SUV's.
I have seen the Ad one time on Fox news early evening. Its not the ad I would run, but at least it is an Ad. The company needs to really crank it up and get people in to see these cars. They will sell, the Five Hundred for all it issues had a great closing rate when the dealer had a chance to sell the car. The Taurus should have at least the same rate.
The Fusion launched with a $500 rebate and has had at least that much ever since, even when they were in short supply last year. I'm convinced Ford has built this $500 rebate into the price of both the Fusion and Taurus to placate those domestic buyers who demand rebates.
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As far as I know the only Ford product that did that was the Lincoln LS. Nice feature on a hot day. Of course the LS had a lot of features that disappeared - electric parking brake, anti-dive/anti-squat suspension geometry, extensive use of aluminum including the suspension, manually shiftable automatic (coming back in the MKS).........
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I won't profess to know basically anything about how the legal or working relationship works between Ford and dealers but it is pretty mindboggling to think that you have no or limited ability to dictate terms to the people you're allowing to sell your products...as most on here would agree, most people if they get shitty service or whatever on the front lines then proceed to blame the producer, not the jackass that sold them it...and it may come as maybe most people don't realize that Ford has little no control over their actions...just seems funny to me that if I'm Ford and my business may suffer from someone treating people that want to buy my vehicles like shit and I can't do much of anything about it, something just doesn't seem right
No, it's not right but that's reality. Back in the 50's or 60's the auto dealers convinced their state legislators to pass laws that protected them from the big, bad auto mfrs. These laws prevent the mfrs from selling vehicles directly to the public and prevent the mfrs from controlling what the dealers charge or what vehicles they sell. Ford tried a variation where they advertised used cars on the internet and then arranged test drives and sales through a local dealer. Dealers sued and won. Ford tried to offer a financial incentive to dealers who were Blue Oval Certified (or more accurately a penalty for those who weren't). Dealers sued again and won.
I asked the Lincoln VP of Marketing why Lincoln didn't require it's dealers to stock at least one manual transmission LS for test drives. He said if he tried to do that he'd end up in jail.
Not sure how to fix it short of changing the laws which probably won't happen. Auto dealers have a lot of influence at the state capitals.
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Does anybody know if the new incentives will also apply to the 2008 models? Do the incentives usually go for the past model year and the new model year cars, or do they have separate for each or none at all for the newer cars? My biggest hope is that they will still have good financing 2.9 - 3.9 for the 08 cars. Not as concerned with the rebates since the car will be bought with a-plan. Thanks.
Incentives vary by model year, more so if there is a big change in the new model.
Why aren't you concerned with rebates using A-plan? You still get all the publicly available rebates with A/X/Z plan, plus some of the dealer incentives also. If there is a $2K rebate then your A-plan price is A-plan minus $2K. Perhaps you misunderstood how A plan works.
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Wondering if possible to swap a homelink set-up into an 08 Escape from another Ford/Mazda prodct? Similar to swapping a Homelink visor from a Navigator/Expidition into and F150. I know I can order the Mazda Homelink rearview mirror and swap that with the Ford auto-dim, but would rather have the homelink on the visor. Any info appreciated.
Yes. You can even swap one from another make. I bought a Maxima homelink visor off ebay for $35, ripped out the homelink transceiver and transplanted it into my Fusion Visor. Messed up the fabric but it works perfectly.
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But we aren't talking about commercial fleet sales - those are normally good. We're talking about rental fleet sales where too many causes a drop in resale values.