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And where are you getting your information Ed?

You're basing that on what? There is nothing on the CAW site, do you know something the membership doesn't?

Doesn't matter, he was too dense to get it anyways.

When I started at Ford, we had to walk 5 miles....both ways, just to put the part on the car

Because they are built on flexible manufacturing platforms. Ford is doing the same thing with the Flex and MKT, small production numbers, but the plant makes more than just that particular unit.

That makes two of you

Try reading the blue paper the pension fund sends you every year. Last year was in the neighbourhood of only 75% funding, and with the markets crashing the way they have, you'll be lucky to have 50% funding in the pension fund. And that's Ford !! GM is in much worse shape financially, and in the pension liablility. You're also forgetting that retirees still get our benefits, so they are covered for semi private coverage like you, and other benefits we have over and above the Ontario Government Drug Plan.

No they can't, anything anyone tells you is a rumour

And just what were the questions you asked Charly?

Would you care to elaborate?

Assuming he's asking for production, what details is it you need still Charly?

Hey, maybe they need to get Jim Stamford to show us with some cartoon clouds and a powerpoint presentation, then we'd understand CAW economics.

The majority of members get to decide, and guess what, the majority decided.

The AWS referred to something we gained in the last contract. It read that a production employee would get paid 8 hours pay for 7.5 hours work. As long as it was told before your lunch, the company could get you to work a mandatory 8 hours, and you would get paid .8 hours for the extra .5 That has been eliminated, and now production will work 8 and get paid 8.

I was watching CH news at 6:00 and they reported that the results weren't available yet. Watched the show right until it ended, and never saw any story after the original "no info", so I don't know what he was watching.

Why quote me and ask that question? I have no idea what you're talking about, and I've never said anything about any jobs, so if you have a point, fill us in.

Most definitely. Of course, they'll be up on stage preaching about the stuff they put in the highlights. It is up to you to stick around and get up to the mike and ask the questions regarding the local stuff. I read that all the reps voted yes except for two.....probably Ken Hogarth, and I wonder who the other would be

Then please fill us in. The rest of us only know what the papers have to say, and we'd ALL love to be able to see the details.

Posted on www.caw.ca at 5:59 pm that a tentative deal has been done, and we'll vote on it Sunday. No details as to our local issues, just the same stuff we've already heard. Lets hope we're given details before we walk into Hamilton Place on Sunday.

The fact he doesn't know what it is you do Trim shows his ignorance. The fact I'm sticking up for you shows how much I've had to drink already

And are these school janitors trained in Working at Heights, or Confined Space? Things our labour gang here is involved in

Those are all local issues Trim, you of all people should know that, and the local issues will be dealt with this week. What everyone is forgetting is that this is a tentative economic deal, not the whole deal, just the economic part of it. Be patient, wait for the whole thing to come out, and ask to see the lowlights as well as the stuff they want us to see.

They always show us the "highlights" never the low-lights, such as outsourcing. From the original article I read, they not only will be cutting new hires wages by 15% the first year (70% as opposed to 85% currently, and 80% in year two as opposed to 85%) but they will also phase in their benefits and eligibility for holidays, pensions etc. So what we may end up with is the people who have used up their recall will get hired back at the new rates, partial benefits and pension credits etc. So theoretically someone hired in in say 2002 and got laid off, may be employed at Ford in 2012 and only have maybe 2 or 3 years pension credits, and is just finally getting full rate. Ask that brother if it is a two tier system or not.

HELLO and just where are you getting that information? We haven't even started negotiating our local issues yet, nor is this a done deal, it is the framework for a contract. to quote the article "The two sides reached agreement on the big-ticket items on a new three-year contract, but must now negotiate provisions on such local issues as health and safety provisions and clauses covering skilled trades workers before it becomes a tentative contract to be voted on by workers at all Ford's CAW-represented plants in Canada." So lets not get ahead of ourselves, and wait for the FINAL tentative deal to be presented to us, and then read all of it, not just the black and white, but the in between stuff as well.

According to the press releases, this new contract will start now (or very soon), whereas the new hires don't come on board until after shutdown. This is definitely being done now so the new hires are going to be hired on at a different wage rate than any of us were hired on as. Maybe not two tier, but not the same tier we have at the present either. If it sounds like a duck, and looks like a duck.......