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And they have nothing whatsoever to do with the NEW Lincoln designs from the NEW Lincoln design chief. So why complain?
I did not know that he was "New"...... According to the press releases the MKS was supposed to indicate the new direction of Lincoln designs.... I guess that was not accurate....
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Because we have all seen the new design direction that Lincoln is going after Wolff has had a chance to impart his ideas on it...
For Lincoln's sake, I hope he came on board AFTER the recent MKS/MKT disasters....
If that is the case, then I think that there is hope.....
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I think you have an attitude problem.
No, I think that the latest styling designs from Lincoln were horrible..... I think I am entitled to an opinion...
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I hope you don't make this thread about your F150's fuel economy like you do every thread about the F-150.
If you don't like my posts, don't read them....Problem solved...
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I think that they need a new design department as well......
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That isn't the point, it couldn't meet the roll-over or side impact standards that are going into effect...its more then just a new engine and transmission...
I am pretty sure Ford could have fixed that it they had wanted to....
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I honestly believe that if the Current Ranger had been give a modern engine and six speed+ transmission it would have been a big hit.....
I guess we will never know....
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Is every truck going to get 20+ MPG at 75 MPH all of the time? Absolutely not! Is it possible? Sure. Could it happen for a few people? Yep. You don't know the conditions or how they drive, or the exact details of their truck. Maybe they got one that is better than average. To say it is never going to happy is what's BS!
The only way would be to go down hill at 75mph....... It is complete BS....
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LOL...................... I can get 12.5 at 75mph.
Like you, I would be ecstatic if I could get 17.5mpg at 75.
I guess the problem that I have with the constant harping on mileage, is...................... what did you expect?? Did you honestly expect every EB F150 to get 20mpg at 75mph?? Do you honestly expect other trucks to get 20mpg at 75mph?? Does the EPA say you will get that??
First off, the EPA says nothing of the sort. Ford says nothing of the sort. So, we have to conclude that your expectations are unrealistic.
Am I saying that noone gets that....................... no. Not even close. However, I am saying that your expectations, which are what you are basing your dissatisfaction on, are pretty ridiculous.
How do I come to this conclusion??? Show me any truck that gets their EPA highway mileage rating at 75mph. Just one. You can't, because at the end of the day, a truck is still a truck, and everyones truck is a brick on tires.
Thus, I suggest that you get rid of your truck, and buy the one that will deliver what you expect. Unfortunately, I do not know if that truck exists.
If this was directed at me, you totals missed my point......
I think 17-18mpg for my truck at 75mph is reasonable.... If fact my truck gets more or less what Ford says it will get. What I am trying to point out is that these claims people post on the internet of 20+mpg at 75mph in one of these trucks is complete bull $hit....
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And, as I suggested to you some time back, the EPA could add loading to the dyno to simulate hill ascent/descent.
And I can't agree or disagree, because you haven't framed the question fully.
At 75MPH in 6th gear, at a higher altitude with 100% gasoline (not E10), one passenger, no trailer or payload, no downshifts during hill ascent, no load due to climate control and moderate temperatures, yes, I think you could get 20MPG.
I think you are still wrong, but at least you pointed out that it would have to be absolutely perfect conditions (extremely rare in the real world) and could not, by ANY reasonable person, be though of as normal driving conditions....
Several people here have said my measured results of 17.5 at 75mph on flat ground are abnormally low and this 20mpg at 75mph is some how closer to normal. Does that seem to be a valid conclusion to you?
I should point out that the Highway and Highspeed portion of the EPA test tops out at 21mpg and has an average test speed of 48.4mph. The Highway speed never exceeds 60mph....
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Yes. Especially according to MadManMoon.
Do they all? Apparently not. It's much easier to prove that one does than to prove none of them do, which is what you are trying to say.
I really wish there was a valid way for us to do a bet on this.....Easy Money.....
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Bottom Line: Should the Ecoboost 4x4 super crew achieve 20 mpg at 75 mph when the EPA Highway figure is 21 mpg?
Short answer is no but if driven at 60-65 mph I would expect it to get close to EPA., that 15 mph makes a huge difference.
And you would be correct....... At 60mph on level ground it will get 20-21mpg. My truck did that on a recent trip to Florida. When I crused at 75mph on mostly level ground the best it would do over time is about 17.5mpg....
I am nearly certain that NO 4x4 F150 Ecoboost Supercrew will get 20mpg at 75mph....
I would love to see a video of anyone that can sustain that MPG at that speed over say 10 miles with the cruse set. ( without going down hill the entire way) Basically get it up to 75mph. Reset the trip computer ( which usually reads a little on the happy side) and hold the speed.
I don't think it would do it even on level ground..... I have seen many of these claims on the internet, but I have never seen any video evidence that can back up the claim.... I have seen a few that made the claim, but they also showed the trip computer that gave miles driven and elapsed time. When you do the math you realize that the avg speed was closer to 60mph which is of course reasonable....
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Perhaps he's using straight gas while everyone in GA is using E-10........
Bottom line: Do you think the Ecoboost 4x4 super crew will get 20mpg at 75mph or not?????
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Why don't you ask that engineer what he thinks of anecdotal evidence, as compared to scientifically gathered data.
I am an engineer as well... If you get enough anecdotal evidence you can establish a trend.....
Common sense and personal experience tells me that these trucks DO NOT get 20mpg at 75mph on non-level ground. Would you agree or not?
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Who's to say you are right and he is wrong. Who are you to doubt the numbers he is getting. You don't like when people doubt your numbers, or think your numbers are an anomaly, so why should you doubt his?
Honestly, from what I have heard, your numbers are not the normal numbers for the EB. Yours seem to be a little low. What the reason is, I don't know, and I can't say, but for you to bash others and say "that isn't possible" is just wrong.
I am not saying his numbers are definitely wrong, but they have to be on flat ground..... I have not met a single person who owns an ecoboost 4x4 that lives in a non-flat area is getting the 19-20mpg at 75mph which is what he claimed.
EVERYONE I have talked too is getting much closer to 17-18mpg at 70-75 with the Ecoboost in a 4x4 supercrew configuration so I am certain that the higher MPG numbers are the exception rather than the rule and almost always are in areas that are mostly flat......
By the way another engineer where I work bought a 2wd Super Crew Lariat Ecoboost recently. (His is black/adobe as well) He only has about 1000 miles on it, but is getting almost the same mileage (within 1mpg) that I do so I guess he got a Bad Truck too?
So now, at our company, we have Two Ecoboosts, One 5.0L, One 5.4L, and One 6.2L F150's.
Two of our customers have a 4x4 Ecoboost super crew. ( One is the exact same model color and options as mine) One gets about the same mileage that I do and the other always says he gets about 1mpg better. I guess they got a Bad Truck Too.....
I find it interesting that Ford seems to send all of their defective trucks to Georgia and the rest of the country gets the good ones....
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One other note. Almost every published test I have seen ( other than the hyper mileage stunts) have put the actual "observed gas mileage" of the Ecoboost mostly match what I am getting. So, saying that my MPG is unusually low would be hard for me to believe based on these published tests and also talking to other Ecoboost owners....
It would seem far more likely that the higher MPG numbers are the exception rather than the rule......
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I think you may have gotten a vehicle/engine on the low end of the bell curve for performance/fuel economy. Yours is a single data point. Anecdotal at best. I've offered mine several times as well, with an almost identical truck - 2011 4X4 Lariat EcoBoost with Max Tow Package, so the gas-guzzling 3.73 rear gears. We now have 27K miles and a lifetime average of 18.9mpg. We've seen 21mpg at 74mph cruise control on flat highways, and 19.5mpg at 74mph cruise control on hilly (western PA) highways.
You keep making statements that "all EcoBoosts are overrated," and state that "everyone" on the internet is lying about their numbers, but hold up your single example as incontrovertible proof. I think reality lies somewhere in between, don't you?
Unless you live in an area that is completely flat, I doubt you are getting those numbers....
Even in Flat Florida, 17mpg is the best it would do at 70mph.....period....
Is is possible that something is wrong with mine? Possible, but I would hate to think that Ford's quality control is so poor that it would allow that big of a variation from vehicle to vehicle....
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Sounds to me like you just got a bad one.
I would love for it to be a bad unit that can be fixed, but at least two dealers say it is working fine......
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I guess we are going to simply have to agree to disagree... Unless you own a ecoboost powered truck, you have zero idea of how the thing behaves. It is quite different from any V8 truck I have drove. There are Several things it does the most V8's do not...
1) This thing sux fuel like vampire until it warms up. I reset the gauge before leaving the hose ths mourning. (40 degrees). I never got over 45 mph for the first 10 miles and encountered little traffic. 11.3 mpg for the first 10 miles. My trip was about 32 miles. After it warmed up I hit a realitively flat stretch where I crushed about 50mph for about 20 miles and a few stops. It read 15.8mpg at the end if the trip.
2) It really drinks gas while towing a load. My little 2500lb boat and trailer drops mpg to 14mpg mostly highway 55-65mph. Towing a car carrier wit about 3000lb car and the milage drops to 8-10mpg....
3) When the turbo builds any boost it drinks fuel like a vampire. The funny part is that low or med acceleration has little if any effect on mpg.....unlike a V8, babying the accel has little affect n mpg. In some cases it will hold a low gear too long and actually hurt mpg. This is what surprised me the most....
For it's power the ecoboost gets ok gas mileage. However, I do not believe it is much better than most V8 driven the same way. Until you drive one for a while you simply cannot understand what I am talking about. However, most of the high mpg claimed you see on the Internet forums are complete BS..... Especially the guys that claim high teens and even 20+ at 75-80mph. Even on a flat highway they will NOT get these results.....
In my opinion, Ford has over stated what this engine will really get. The ONLY way mine will see 21 mph on the highway is to drive 55-60mph on a completely flat highway wit no traffic. With any traffic or hills that same speed will yield 17-18 at best..... Bump it up to 70-75mph and 16-17mpg is all it will do.... Again not bad for a big 4x4 truck, but nothing all that special either......
The ecoboost is mostly about boost and a little about Eco..... That is a fact and no amount of speculation based on EPA or some weird MPG stunt is going to change that.....
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If your real world is potentially different for the 5.0 than it is for the EB, and the trucks are loaded up differently, and driven at different times, with different loads, by different drivers, for who nows how long towing different amounts.
Then yes, you are correct.
The real world is rarely well defined so yes I stand by my statement.....
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Nobody is arguing against what they did with the other trucks.
The original point made here was that the 5.0 4x4 and EcoBoost 4x2 got such and such.
It was pointed out that this wasn't an apples to apples comparison because of the different cabs, trims, payloads and trailer weights used.
I hope someday we see a real apples to apples comparison between the two engines.
All it really implies is that in real world conditions that the trucks are likely to encounter the economy is about the same. The Eco has the edge in power.... The 5.0L in sound quality...
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Exactly.
Also if you read the fine print at the bottom it says:
EcoBoost was towing a 8,250 lb trailer and hauling 1,275 lbs.
5.0 was towing a 6,900 lb trailer and hauling 1185 lbs.
This was not apples to apples comparison.
But at least you could say EcoBoost gets about the same mileage in a heavier cab configuation and towing and hauling heavier loads than the 5.0 in a smaller cab and towing and hauling lighter loads.
My point was simply that they did not get 20MPG while doing all of this like some of the crap you see all over the internet. The fact that the 5.0L and the Ecoboost are similar in economy was not the primary point, but I do know that they are similar. Yes I agree the the Ecoboost is more powerful. However it is far more about boost and not so much eco... ( at least in the real world )
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Well...it's not called 'hypermiling' because it has a nice ring to it. Their whole goal was to drive as gently as possible to eek as much distance out of a drop of fuel as possible. It's a gimmick for sure, but you can't go as far as to say it's not true.
Remember, they had the granny gear as well as 2WD...you don't (AFAIK). That will make a difference.
I guess, but if I drive any slower, the red around the collar boys around her are going to start shooting at me....
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Ford does not let you order complete seat assemblies. A while back you could, but it had to be current model year and had to have a police report detailing theft or fire to get complete assemblies.
I bet you will find that the only difference in the seats from your Lariat is the cushions and covers. I bet the frames are the same. If you are going to have them recovered anyway, buy the raptor cushions and had an trim shop make covers.
That sux.... The seat base is wider in the Raptor... The cushion and cover are different as well.....
Lincoln getting its own ad agency?
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Screw this forum......