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This was lost in another post, but it bears repeating. Ford Global has a stable of efficient, clean diesel engines. They have decided it's not worth bringing them here yet. Does Toyota have a stable of proven diesel engines?

I think the FD went away during Regan's administration.

Look at Australia's tax code. We should adopt it here. It's pretty solid.

SUV, you know what predator drones are right? Predators > your tanks. Wow you're naive. People in the US cannot freely carry guns around. You have to get a concealed carry permit for that. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Edit: If guns kill people then a fork made Rosie O'Donnell fat.

Because it's a fact that certain races have higher crime rates. So SUV's comments about the US having higher violent crime rates are negligible when you consider racial and socioeconomic make up of the country. Poor and minorities have higher violent crime rates. Turns out, crack dealers kill more people on average than investment bankers.

Cash on hand doesn't mean that much. Cash flow statements tell you a lot more about how they are doing cash wise. For example, that $27B Ford has in cash, a lot was borrowed. Also, those margin numbers don't mean anything while neither is profitable. By those numbers, Ford has 80% the inventory value of GM but has 50-60% of the GM sales. You are spot on about how GM should be peaking now. That Fortune guy is total hack. Escort? The F-150 doesn't compete with the Ram. Think of the Ram owners you know, and think of the F-150 owners you know. Pretty different. What the hell is this guy talking about higher warranty costs? I think he mixed up GM and Ford numbers. Or, given the Escort reference, is using numbers from 1999. "GM promises that the Malibu will be more profitable than its predecessor." OH SHIT. GM PROMISES!!! In that case, I guess Ford should just give up. Just ridiculous. "Still, simple logic dictates that GM has the edge. Rick Wagoner became CEO in 2000 and put together the key members of his management team several years ago." Yeah, geniuses like Lutz. Mulally doesn't need outside talent, he is leveraging the people he has. Although getting Farley was brilliant.

It's cause we fail at socialism.

We'll always have poor since we classify x% of people as being in poverty. However, I'm sure the vast majority of Africa, or even poor chinese/indians/russians would love to be classifed as being poor in America. That standard of living vastly dwarfs their own.

The doctors that treat you do not know your insurance status. So define better treatment before you make outlandish claims.

It's not racial profiling if it's a fact.

I'm sure the percentage of uncollected money in the US from treatment of Canadians is less than 5% the value of uncollected from treatment of others.

You don't actually believe this do you? Just accept it's a loss. I'm sure Canada and the US cross bill. I highly doubt uninsured (illegal or not) Asian, Mexican, or South American immigrants have their bills paid.

If you want me to breakdown crime rates by race I can show you how that 10% difference could allow you to say Canada, Aus, and West Europe have lower violent crime rates.

I never said that. I simply said his statement was very naive. You need to take a debate class.

You got all that from this? "vLook, if you want to say we shouldn't give health care to illegal mexicans just say it." That is also the most naive statement ever. "They will treat them but they will get a bill." Let's think about this, they shouldn't even be in the country, they probably have no money, but you actually THINK they pay the bill? Hahahahahahahaha. You can't enforce payment.

No one ever has a problem with people that pay into the system. It's people that do not pay in but receive benefits. Western Europe, Australia, and Canada are nearly 100% Caucasian.

I know this. It doesn't change what I said.

Look, if you want to say we shouldn't give health care to illegal mexicans just say it.

His lack of paragraphing, spelling, and punctuation makes my eyes bleed. Also, he just said people between 18 and 67 that don't pay in...that would include almost all college students, including the MD/JD/PHD students that go to school until age 30 or so. I assumed this was an attack on illegals getting healthcare, but I'd prefer to have him elaborate.

When I read this thread's title I wondered if it was baiting me. Without reading all 5 pages, I'm going to say no one likes paying for someone that refuses to work. Can you elaborate on these people that "refuse to work" though?

GM has a totally fresh SUV and truck lineup and isn't doing that well. GM has more capacity issues than Ford. GM had a $39B loss (non cash). Look at this however you want, but if it was to devalue tax credits for future use, this means GM is leaving FUTURE CASH on the table by not being profitable soon enough. Any $39B loss means there is some breakdown in the company. It's not like this just sneaks up on you. Also, the mortgage writedown was hidden in that number. GM has...etc. It's ironic I see this topic today. I just got back from lunch with person we're interviewing. We were talking about a janitor union's strike in Mass., and ended up on auto companies. He said something about GM being in a much better position than Ford, and I took the opportunity to educate him otherwise. Good to see the WSJ now onboard the train.

Not entirely true RJ, I always say what they should do.

What a pussy, FINISH YOUR DRINK!

I could paint it perfectly, but since there is no HARD proof, it's likely my argument will be ridiculed. I could come up with several close analogs, anecdotes, and series of events that would make it seem very likely. But, to be honest, I can't prove it. Edit: If you'd actually like to have a conversation about it, I'm open to it. But it would take me a couple hours to put together some facts and events to support my argument.

Ford. Compare the success at Boeing to the failure at Home Depot. It's not even close. Nardelli is perfect for the chop shop job soon to fall on Chrysler though.