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You realize that until the last 2 years Volvo drove PAG profit right? And that Volvo platforms and engineering is driving the Ford product blitz right? JLR never contributed anything until the last 2 years, and even then it's only been SUVs that are going out of style with new CAFE rules and buyer tastes.

Hmmm, this sounds very similar to what I had proposed a couple days ago about Volvo...let me find it. Edit: Found it. "Volvo is the real wild card here. It's not large enough as a global luxury brand to demand the resources a BMW or Mercedes command. It's also tightly tied in in many areas with Ford and Mazda engineering. This is why there has been no decision made on it yet. Under Mulally's vision, it would have to share platforms/parts/engineering GLOBALLY. However, you don't want to turn Volvo into something it's not. Quite the problem. In my opinion, Ford keeps Volvo as a global luxury brand. Volvo and Lincoln share higher end platforms with each other. Think about it. Lincoln is moving to turbocharged engines, classy interiors, AWD, new technology. Volvo has experience in all these areas. You could build the MKS and S80 next to each other. Stretch a version of that platform for a topline MKR. Have a Volvo convertible built off it. A large Lincoln SUV off the same platform. The S60 and MkZ could share a platform including coupe/convertible/CUV derivatives. In my mind, the C1 project proved this is possible. The Mazda3 and S40 would never be tagged as platform mates by the uninformed. If you could build Lincolns and Volvos the same way, the possibilities are endless." Edit 2: Sounds like they are treating Volvo like Mazda now. This could be a huge win for Ford.

And this is exactly why Ford would not post earnings before the contract agreement. People simply DO NOT understand finance and accounting. GM took a one time non cash charge of $39 billion. This is still a loss, but more towards shareholder equity than actual operating income. It's not like GM lost $39B in Q3 it had before. It's a gradual accounting accrual. I'm not arguing it's not terrible, it's pretty fucking bad actually. However, a RWD would have an impact, just like they did for Chrysler. Had Daimler not let all the cars wither, produced a ton of mediocre SUVs and no fuel efficient small cars, the LX cars could have driven a real change. For GM though, a nice RWD platform, expressed here as the G8, is just another nice piece to the turnaround plan.

Nahh, we actually only hear good things about other systems. Half of America hates America. I personally, seeing as I'm a healthcare consultant, think government healthcare in its current form is terrible because of how it incentivizes(<--- is this a word?) people.

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Lutz is full of shit.

Sicko is terribly biased. It's pretty easy to hate America when we make all the videos and people that do it right here.

Canadians are Americans...

I'm just hoping because if the driveshafts are breaking and it's the 5.4L or 4.6L there are SERIOUS problems here.

You are the master of words. However, clothes is not pronounced cloZe. It is pronounced clo-thes. If I wanted to play with phonetics I'd point out 'ghoti' can be the same as 'fish'. I just have issue when people say clothes like close. They are likely the same people that stutter out um, uh, ah, eh, like, and, etc.

Please god be launching with the 4.4L diesel. That would just be the most amazing thing ever.

Clothes does not have a 'z'. How can asphalt be said as "ashfault"? Also, I'd consider ebonics to be 'wrong' pronunciation.

From CNN money earlier today: "GM's previous company record loss came in 1992, when a $20.8 billion charge resulted in a $23.5 billion loss for the year. Ironically, that earlier charge was related to the company's accounting for the future cost of retiree health care at that time."

Well, since we're going to say lay-brr instead of saying it correctly anyway, why bother with that extra u? Note: My pronunciations are probably closer to Canadian than American. Mostly because I decided people that say cloZe, ASHfault, grosheries, etc sound like complete idiots. There are dialects and accents, and there is blatantly wrong pronunciation.

/sarcasm

It is a $39B loss. It's just not in cash.

You misspelled labor.

Let's try this again. If we are at war, WITH CANADA, aren't we passed a certain point where the US public could actually matter? No kidding the US loses in a war with Canada. It's the ultimate lose lose. That doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day half of Canada would have been bombed and the US would still be nearly untouched by Canadian forces.

Berkshire Hathaway.

If you haven't noticed, Wall Street is absofuckinglutely terrible at judging auto companies. GM's huge loss in Q2 2005 comes to mind. Ford's recent performances nowhere near estimates. GM's $39 billion dollar adjustment. ETC.

Once again, totally irrelevant to my point about them being close substitutes and how that affects the Lincoln/Ford.

I'm about as far from an art history major as you can get. I only guess that because I would consider that style to have been "stunning" at the time.

Yes, I know SOME people are die hard about the two. It doesn't change the fact they are close substitutes.

I think impressionism...my mom loves Monet.

Fact: Cars without spare tires must completely suck.