look lets all drop norfolk. its dead and so should be forgotten. besides thats what ford don't want in that level of quality 10-30 units per 1000. they want 145-170 units per 1000. heck i'm happy the union got me up here chasing product and gave me $47,000 total to move up here. kept my seniority and pay, to move 800 miles and loose 40% of my job load. i can't say thanks enough. maybe i'll get lucky again and dtp will shut down and i'll be able to chase my product again to kc and get paid another $30,000.