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Mine took nearly 6 weeks to get my separation check. If that is what you are going to do, plan carefully, and follow through. I almost ran out of money before I found a substitute making the same money. Most of it was invested into reinventing myself. My plan was to pay my house off, and have a great start, but after the money and effort to replace my income there wasn't much left. However I have more security now then ever, and if I lost my job tomorrow I would likely get a pay raise with all of my new credentials. It is a risk though for certain. For every 1 of us that was successful after leaving, I can name at least 5 that ended up on drugs, welfare, or have even committed suicide. Think it our very carefully before you sign.
Outstanding!!!! Great post. Glad to hear a good after buy out story.
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They really can't say that. it's painfully obvious that King was out of his league against Hinrichs.
I agree with you completely.
At best, it reads like something out of the 50`s or 60`s. It seems the UAW has been stuck in a room some where and the rest of the business world has not only passed them by but, its like they just got out and only know how to operate in the mid 20th century way of doing business and have no way of catching up.... or at times (like this situation) can`t move forward.
How has the UAW tryed to keep up in a business world that has companies making governments do as they, the company wants? Grooming.... Yep, grooming. Gettelfinger was groomed, then Gettelfinger groomed King, now King is grooming Settles..... All along Ford hires 10...20..hell!!! ....50million dollar a year men to sit across the table from the groomed.....
Ford hired a "professional strangler". He has a record of squeezing dam near the life blood out of a workforce (Boeing) but, just as the workforce starts to blackout... he slaps the workforce and wakes them up to tell them he`ll stop if they give and be thankful they can give some more. He is a professional.
Groomed....
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Let's shake on it Decker!!!
The General has been reading. :D
aaah yeah, the good old days, I was just a young UAW member when I first heard the term. "They can do that...." But, the contract "states?".... "They have a verbal agreement with the President"..... AAAAH yes the GOLDEN HANDSHAKE.....
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It's all verbal, just call Bob King he can tell you all about it verbally!
Don`t call Ron Gettelfinger, he didn`t make the hearing.
Hinrichs and Mulloy had time to testify and support Ford. "Mr. Gettelfinger was not called as a witness for the UAW to provide testimony on this subject or related matters".
NO VERBAL PROMISE......
The UAW has proffered that Ford made a verbal promise to forego 2010 merit increases and/or a 401k for its salaried worforce. The evidence establishes that no such promise was made.............................. not to mention the patent implausibility of "experienced negotiators" leaving a subject of such indispensable importance (merit increases/401k for 2010) to words or even the "handshake". Franky, this notion is 'preposterous".
The following Finding is made: On the evidence, there was no such promise but even if arguably, such a verbal statement came from Mr. Hinrichs (which it did not) that could be characterized as an implied verbal/oral commitment, it would be unenforceable.It has long been held that dangers abide in permitting oral modifications to written labor agreements and that "national labor policy" disfavors verbal "side" agreements, the variation of written labor contractsby evidence of contemporaneous oral agreements is contrary to national labor policy.
That is because on clear and convincing evidence, a verbal commitment by Ford to the UAW not to provide merit increases and/or a 401k match in 2010 for its salaried workforce, was never given by Ford.
The grievance is denied.
Ever hear the term "verbal agreement" on a local level? One last question, who will be sent the bill for this arbitration?
If you have the time read... read.... the whole Voluntary Labor Arbitration.
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alrighty then. For those of us who are FaceBookLess (we do exist), how do we see this arbitration ruling? I'm, as many of you know, clueless. :dry:
Check out our Local website. UAW Local 551. Its there.
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To all you Post Hoarders who keep old post so that you can remind someone of what they said, go back and find the one I posted that said "THE COMPANY DOESN'T OWE YOU SQUAT"! Now you want to complain and say the union dropped the ball. They didn't drop shit! You Hard luck clowns voted to give up these concessions. What in the Hell made you think that the company was going to give you something back after you gave it up? Ford knows all too well that there are guys that have been working for them over twenty years and still do not have two nickles to rub together. The company knows all they have to do is buy you idiots with a few thousand bucks to get what they want. How does it taste? Its not that the union is failing the membership, but its the memebership that's failing the union!
"It`s not the Union that is failing the membership but, it`s the membership that`s failing the Union".
Haven`t read the arbitration report, have you?
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EVER since a guy named Adam.... "men" having been making "verbal promises".....
Evey... baby... I won`t!!! really I won`t!!! ..... Opp`s sorry baby. :mellow:
Seems, Mr. Hinricks is really good at "verbal promises"....
Some really good reading this arbitration stuff. so thats what goes on at the table. :shades:
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I was damn nere right....i said we would get 7700.00.......we're gettin' xx00.00! Look how close I was to being right!
Dam!!! Big country!!! thats a good one!!!! I needed a giggle :hysterical2:
Hold your heads up CAP, its not a big deal.... just remeber those sentences that started with "I heard" or "Someone Said"... and don`t forget those faces that the sentences where coming out of.... they will without a dought be leading you down the "right" path once again in the near future.
Its easy to see the membership will be paying for all the hard work ( as Bob and Jimmy stated) in this last negociations... and pay, and pay.....and pay.
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Here it is.....hot off the press! We will be getting a check in Sept. for the sum of 7700.00........TAX FREE!
Tax Free.......... you could have put any other stupid shit at the end...but no, "TAX FREE"
The same members thinking their going to get $$$$$.00 and listening to those members that start their sentence with "someone said".."I heard".. are the same people who listened to the voices in their heads ...then started their sentences with "someone said" or "I heard" then stated the current contract was the best thing for us....
Here`s one for ya... You will get what Ron tells you, what you will get. And you better be thankful!!!! or Ron will send Jimmy out there to kick your ass..... :banmolest:
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This forum is all about Decker and The General, look at me I know something about EVERTHING. :blah:
Come on Big forker..... I have made many mistakes on this forum.
Besides if The General and I knew something about everything, do you think we would still be just your regular member at DTP and CAP?
Really, if that was true (knowing something about everything) The General, would be your... District Representative, me I`d be your... Alternate District Represenative.........
Can you imagine that????
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Btw Decker start a cap thread for hours this was about DTP for info not what CAP is doing
I`m so sorry, damage.... :dry:
Totally forgot about your impairment. To much input on any one topic still making you disorientated?
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What 3 shifts were these? We went 10.7 yesterday on dayshift. There have only been 2 shifts since.
Well, more like an 8 hours, 8 hours and 6 hours.... sorry. Trim, Chassis and Elvis have left the building... (12:30)
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No "Production" 15 July Sunday, for the C crew.
Oh... my G-D.... I can here it now " there closing CAP" !!!!!
Start up that Bull Shit Rumor Mill !!!!
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Much better, but you know this place, I believe it when I see it.
The last shortage situation we had I was told we had priority status.
How about A crew monday? 8 hours?
Tomorrow, looks short real short (0 hours) and Monday is regular start times for A crew and C crew......
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Much better, but you know this place, I believe it when I see it.
The last shortage situation we had I was told we had priority status.
How about A crew monday? 8 hours?
They just called 8 hours for Body and Plaint. (Mass Relief) The number over in Trim and Chassis is as of last hour is 228.
I believe we are going to be priority .... again. Buy those Explorers!!!!! Hell we cant make enough of the rest of the units... Buy`em ALL!!!
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What plant caught fire?
Sir, General Sir,
The plant that manufactures our sensors. Once again all the eggs in one basket, syndrome. Sir
How things going up there at the Generals plant?
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What 3 shifts were these? We went 10.7 yesterday on dayshift. There have only been 2 shifts since.
B crew was let go at 10 hours last night after relieving for 10.7. C crew today and B crew today, 8 hours. Tomorrow will have the C crew doing 8 hours. Is that better?
Has CAP been given priority status for stock?
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what happen just got a call not to show.
CAP has done three shifts of 8 hours. The weekend work will only be for repairs.
Reducing production because of the parts plant fire.
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Grant's a good dude...
I agree, and showing more and more ability to lead.
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Who did that? Grant?...or is he in stamping? Regardless...I luv luv luv this kinda $hit! Management needs a good kick in the ass occasionally!
Yes, Grant and a few of our younger Rep`s came together and used the contract language properly!!!!!
I love to see this happening also!!!!
Grant is here at CAP, not at CHSP.
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Meanwhile at The Rouge.If you happen to see the one person out of hundreds walking around outside on the road {yes it is a rule}wearing a yellow safety vest that guy is me,my union brother.So a security guard at The Rouge,can holler at me,call me "HEY YOU",run at me {I know you know nothing about intimidating body language,it doesnt exist until an hourly person does it}demand my identification without presenting any introductions himself and then read me the 'working-class riot of July 5th,2012'.By the way ,I told my supervisor the very next day about what happened and I still dont have a yellow vest.So here is what Fatso,the mitty-man would do.I would tell everybody not to walk off the sidewalk during the course of their work day until they are provided with a yellow safety vest.It is impossible to get around without a yellow vest because there are not many sidewalks.How is that for solidarity?If a Local CAP UAW official finally stood up------G-O-D B-L-E-S-S Y-O-U!WE EARN our money by making Ford profits!Respect and dignity dont cost the company any money!Leave it to Chicago,,,,my hometown by the way.Ever been to Marquette Park around 71st and Kedzie?Ever see a NAZI van blaring messages.Hey if that post above this one has anything to do with me----I did not read it.Sick of the fucking peasants reading me the 'working-class riot act of July 7th 2012'.You read my shit,,,I dont care about yours.Maybe you`ll learn something!Did I tell ya I was born in Chicago?
Born in Chicago? Then you`ll know where 103rd & Wentworth Ave is. I learned how to stand up right there in that part of Roseland (Pullman). Yep, heard stories about the nazi van. They would turn off the shit about a block away from my Grandfather`s hot dog stand at 79th & Halsted. (David Berg Hotdog`s) After they stopped and got their dog`s with the secret sauce, they would take their Mr. Pibb`s and Berg dogs get back in their van and at about 80th & Halsted they would turn their shit back on....
You need a yellow vest.... take one. Hell, take a box of the dam vests. Sell a couple of them and take the money and buy a dozen of dunkin`s best and drop them off at the guard shack.... Give them the Chicago special touch.
Sounds like you might need to spend a little time back home... remember how Chicago works? remember how the CPD works? Security Guard`s.... rent a cop`s thats all.
I`ve learned something, you don`t read much and it`s ok to read your shit. Oh, you did mention you spent time in Chicago. Ever process through 26th & California?
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The IUAW has turned into an administrative service company that promotes corporatism.On a local level,much depends on 'who you are',meaning that there is unequal enforcement of the contract and favortism depending on if you are just an ordinary hourly person or a union person.DTP operates at 90% capacity and the more the workforce is compliant the harder the company acts!My opinion.Results may vary."Up to and including termination".Yes at DTP a security guard may order you to show your I.D.badge.Make you state your name while looking at the badge and admonish\intimidate you for rule violations such as stepping off the sidewalk while not wearing a yellow reflective vest while walking outside of the plant.It doesnt happen to everybody,I understand that.KEEP READING----nobody ever gave me a yellow vest.What am I doin wrong NOW!?What did I do this time?Ya wanna transfer to DTP?Its where it{the UAW} all began,Deck.Come on Deck,me and you buddy!You wanna stand up?You wanna be the guinea pig?I`ll watch!Me,I eat shit.Humiliating and depressing as it may be,for food and shelter for my family,I eat shit.Lets open up the contract and give some more concessions to make up for the losses in Europe!
Fatso, come on...
I have been doing this stand up thing for a few years. (elected/appointed) I`ve had to do the humiliation song and dance many times... many times. I have had members stand right next to me, when making their point to management, just to have the members look at management and take their side in the discussion. Or watch as members give their self up for the taking, even in a situation that was completely win able. Then there are the situations that make every time I have had to start dancing or ask for fries with that shit sandwich, you know the situation where a LRO Rep is not only wrong but can`t see that the person sitting across from their desk is a human being. Then minutes after the discussion wtih the LRO Rep and the member is given much less or not given any discipline at all.
Then the time when we went to one shift and all the problems our members went through. All the phone calls made, getting members directed to the right agencies, taking members to local churches and even showing up at court, for moral support, just to state for the record that the man (member) was and had been on lay off for over 9 monthes and was fighting to retain visitation rights. All the time I had members complaining "you spend to much time at the hall". On two occasions, a member put a motion on the flood to stop me from being at the hall so much. (both times the motion was unsuccessful) All in all, it was all worth it (the standing up) because of the look on the members face or the thank you`s from their kindala and family members, that makes up for everything else.
Over the years I have had the privilege of not only holding positions but, having the ablity to learn the other side of the coin. That other side of the coin or knowledge of how it works is what finally made me stop caring about being anything more than a local level Rep. Not real sure I want to do that either.
Like you Fatso, I too have a family (grown now) and have, with the help of my business partners (IUAW and Ford), put food in their mouthes and a roof over their heads. I like you and so many others just want to be treated like something more than a cost factor, equipment or liability. Also so many just want to be treated as a business partner in a fair manner. Most just want the DAM contract to be abided by.
So if you agree that there is a Fatso at DTP and a Decker at CAP that are similar and then realize that there are 10`s of thousands other UAW members that are just as similar to those two trouble makers (Fatso & Decker) You won`t need a guinea pig (Decker) packing up and taking a drive on 94.
Only when the members become aware that they have to stand up, will things start to get better. Most cases were the membership will have to stand up the membership has to realize that in most cases they are standing up against two fronts. IUAW and Ford.
The one thing that is becoming more and more appearent and a very useful tool "communication"!!!! The knowledge of what the hell they (Ford & IUAW) are doing at the different plants is their biggest fear. There is no need for a Decker at DTP or a Fatso at CAP we just have to communicate. We have younger members teaching older memebers how to text. There are members that get together to just ..... discuss issues. This is what I believe is making things different at CAP. Communicate, communicate and then communicate some more.....
Fatso, you and I have agreed on many issues and once again I agree with you a 100%, when it comes to opening up the contract. I like so many at CAP think we haven`t seen anything yet.... the next negociations may be a real "eye" opener. I dont refer to those two pretty blue peepers......
Hang in there young brother, hang on to hope... and communicate!!!!
Decker
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At DTP the Plant Manager AND the security guard would of had their shoes shined with a smile and a whistle down at the the Union Hall!
Now ...Fatso.... and a whisle too??
I would like to make one thing just a little clearer. Yes, we had our Chairman and a small group of Rep`s act on the " I`M THE BOSS" type of attitude we see so offend from those in management that most offend don`t have a clue or experience in the position they hold. (Mr. Wells??) But, we are still experiencing the cool or cold feet from some of our Rep`s. When this situation was being acted on the text messages were flying..... some, I`m sure from management to UAW rep`s and I`m sure there were the text messages from UAW Rep`s to management.
We will have those that think its better to hold off and let the company do as they see fit. We also have the shoot`em all and let G-D sort them out.... mentality. But, I see this group that we have at CAP looking at the way they represent the members as a business, a carryover from the recent past. In business the give and take is good for all unless its one sided. Like so oftend it has been, here at CAP. But, this group of younger Rep`s is looking at equality for the membership. (something we have needed for some time at CAP)
So, yes we had a strong group of Rep`s stroll down to the floor with the Chairman and to all those text messages and questions, I don`t know where the other Rep`s went? Take it from one that has had the privilege of climbing down into the companies back yard ready to fight, it can be very intimidating and yes scary..... but, give those Rep`s time. Those that come out next time ready to back up the contract to the memberships benefit will be the Rep`s you want in our corner.
Hope.... it`s the one thing that we all need.
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Buyouts / Buydowns
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I agree, great post.