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Thank you qwertyuiop, This will help very much. I will be posting this information at the plant today. Decker 1 of the 1788

In reference to 3rd Day RDO time, double time is paid REGARDLESS of hours worked on RDO's 1 & 2. It was written into the contract this way to keep some semblance of 7th-day work as a bonus. I agree with you qwertyuiop completely, but the "regardless of hours worked on RDO`s 1& 2" part is what some members (and rep`s) here at CAP are having issue with. The key part of your statement is "worked". Now I have been wrong, (far from a virgin there) and being well on my way to "old" I can say with all honesty "I have missed a certain point in acticles I have read". So I say with all honesty" this is the way I`ve read the requirements in the white pages, referring to the AWS 3 Crew. RDO #1, has to be "worked" then RDO #2, has to be "worked" and then and only then RDO #3 (Sunday) will be paid at "double time" for the hours "worked". There are memebers that are still thinking (Tradititional Language) if "Sunday" is required it automatically is paid at "double time"...... I also agree with you totally on the chances for A or B crew fulfilling these requirements for the double time premium. Due completey to the C crew schedule. RDO #3 is not the only issue here, try getting double time if RDO #1 or RDO #2 is a Regular Day Off (no work)... and RDO #3 is mandatory..... Double time....Not a chance. damagedone37, young brother, you have brought up some issues that have been discussed, at lenght in our discussion group (Nuts getting together, LadyJaguar) here at CAP and we too think the next step will be focused on our hourly rates of pay. How true, the splitting of the membership along the lines of hourly wages is terrible. But, the horrible part of it all is we are highest authority in the organization that has negotiated the path we are going down. Solidarity Forever....... Decker 1 of the 1788

Thanks qwertyuiop, The one issue that is very much at the root of most if not the all confusion (sometimes heated confusion) here at CAP is the language its self. Being that it is of the legal gherkin...type.... jumpimg to one place from another and then referencing some other part before one can get to some type of a conclusion, But, then roll in the "play" on words that Ford (IUAW also) is so good at. Use the word "shift" when referring the term "crew" or use the "traditional" terms (accidentally of course) when referring to the AWS 3 Crew procedures and agenda.... This alone had some, thinking for a while, "3 shifts of production a day" .....nope. I think this was one of the play on words the IUAW was using?? naaa Also here at CAP ..... our leadership tends to be in a numbers, numbers, numbers (which is ok) mind set so, at times the whole place is up for grabs. We tend to see the "book", "white pages" or the mystical "volume one" thrown right out the window. Then at this point ( very offend here lately) the method in use is the "guess as you go" method...? So yes, CAP is waiting to get on a ride it has never been on before..... Health and Safety is making sure everyone is properly buckled in. ERGO is making sure the padding is in the proper placement. The Rep`s are doing their best to make sure there is no cutting in line..... and the membership (old and new) can`t wait for the carney`s to crank this bad boy up... MONDAY....MONDAY...MONDAY!!!! Put your hands UP!!! the first dip on this ride may be WICKED!!! Got one question for you qwertyuiop, (very easy to type "first row" cool idea) when DTP went back to the traditional mind set how (this will be a touchy subject here at CAP) did the reduction in force play out? Traditional or Guess as you go??? Decker 1 of the 1788

"Decker 1 of the Nuts" 1 of the nuts? really? Lady Jaguar, are you referring to the 1788 members that didn`t think the cream on top of the last contract was anything remotely close to a dairy product? If you are then... Lady its save to bet your Jag... "I`m one of those Nuts"!!!! You should be able to feel the solidarity once in your life, that those 1788 felt. Members reasuring each other during all the pissed off IUAW speechs. Being sure of the one thing, the democratic process allows for the people to disagree with the direction there leaders are telling the masses that they should go in. The 1788 are not the types that think they know whats best for all and have stated at meetings they can never know what really goes on at the negotiation table, so we never thought anything of our actions other than acting like Americans that were acting within their constitutional rights. The right to disagree with the leadership of any organization is what the 1788 envoked. So yes, LadyJaguar "Decker is very proud to be 1 of the 1788 UAW Members"...... "Nuts?" I guess if you say so, freedom of speach right? Decker 1 of the 1788 LadyJaguar??? Bob.... is that you?

Armstrong... Armstrong... get your med`s.... I bet your face is all red and you may be starting to get that rash back. That paranoia is really showing its ugly head again. Brother you`ve got to try and put all those fears behind you. You had the chance hell, I bet they would help you pack and fix you a little cute lunch box for the ride to CAP. Really it was your choice to stay on the south side of Detroit. You remember all the judgemental rants you go on... The name calling.... you can work through this the latest fear attack. Mr. ARMSTRONG!!! CAP is waiting for you!!!! COME ON DOWN!!! Nope, instead you will type out all the "you are an ASS" tuff guy stuff... all the while wetting your pants every time you think about your plant being sold or going to one shift or .... I won`t say it... I know, you are already all worked up. Hang in there young brother you still have a release of all that fear and paranioa .... come on and join us here in beautiful Chicago. Hell I`ll take you to a CUBS Game and I`ll buy you 2 beers in left field.... Fun fun fun Decker 1 of the 1788

Contractual language is key..... The traditional contract stated and refers to Premium Time as, any hours after 8, any hours after 40. Then the two days of premium time paid, no matter if you reached the other requirements are, Saturday at 50% above straight time for every hour worked and 100% above straight time for every hour worked, "Sunday". The key to the traditional language is the word "premium". The present contract lanuage made the first part or the magical word "premium" drop from our language.... No "premium" for anything over 8 hours a day. Unless, the employee reaches the requirement of 40 hours. Then the language states and only then, the employee will receive 50% over straight time for every hour worked. Saturday Premium also Sunday Premium has language in the present contract that is almost the same language as in the traditional contractual language. Then...in this present contract, Ford startes to talk some other langage, the language spoke in some galaxy far far away in a board room where the people talk of "REDUCTION OF COST".... Poof, the "AWS" is born. Now take a look at the white pages or contract (what ever) and you`ll notice the word "premium" never sits beside either word "Saturday" or "Sunday". There is a mystical grouping of three letter of the alphabet "RDO" in this new language. Now here and there in this new language there is reference to the old language "Premium", but one has to mix in these mystical three letters to be able to receive the magical "Premium" word. Ok, enough of that silly shit. Work "7"... "Seven"... days in one "7' day pay period and magic!!!! You will receive Double Time for the "7th"... "seventh" day worked. The plain language on the Mystical "AWS" is those three magical letters "RDO" are put right in there to reduce labor costs and reduce the chances labor well have the opportunity to reach that... took for granted, automatic and so rewarding "Premium Days of the week" "Saturday" and "Sunday". Ford`s Pay Schedule is, 7 days in one pay period. Starting ( so as not to confuse) Monday and ending on Sunday. A Crew has "3" RDO`s they are Friday, Saturday and Sunday in one pay schedule. During those magical RDO`s someone is in the plant working the same operations that the A crew does when they are in the plant.... C Crew!!! get it? With the only, (some more contractional language here) opportunity for mandatory overtime being "Sunday". So if the A Crew has a crew doing their operations on two of the magical RDO`s do you really think double time will just kick in automaticly?? The same mystical AWS language works in the same way for the B Crew. People, the AWS is nothing more than the reduction of labor costs. The AWS has made every day of the week equal. NO... permium to any one of them. Unless you can work some magic of your own and work "7"... "Seven" ... days in one pay period, you will never see the now... mystical Double Time. Decker 1 of the 1788

The membership both active and retiree, has been on the receiving end of a large part of the burden when it comes to the helping, keeping the competitivenes and the restructuring of Ford Motor Company. We`ve been told time and time again how we the active and retired members need to consider the down side of the possibility of Ford going Bankrupt. I`m sure all were told by IUAW more than a few times how we should, need and have too... secure our futures by doing the right thing..... Then I`m sure most remember how things progressed when some locals voted in a manner that was not pleasing to the IUAW... Remember the youtube postes, the confrontational meetings at the local halls and all the you better or else messages and points of veiw our IUAW put out there? I beleive the membership got the message and now we see the fruits of the negotiations. Yes, we see better earnings (overtime at most plants) and yes we see more people getting employment. But at what cost? People working in forced overtime situations. People working for half what the majority of others are being paid. A system being put into place to reduce or eliminate premium overtime pay. And a "Crew" that will see a four day work schedule that will inclued working holidays as a mandatory scheduled day. I bring this up because I have a question for the membership.... "Do you think the business partners (IUAW andFord) are done restructuring Ford Motor Company??? I know most will say "No". But stop and think for just a few minutes. What other things can be restructured? More tier 2 people coming in? Even more right of choice being slipped away? Less benefits for our retired sisters and brothers? Well maybe?? There is one avenue that the restructuring hasn`t started down, yet. For all the business partners. Basicly restructuring in any business big, small and MEGA like Ford, the company will come around to take a close look at all expenditures. Ford has done just that with their creditors. Ford reduced (negotiated) the amount it owed on more than a few occasions. Ford went to the local, city and state goverments and received reduced, abated and in some cases no tax liabilities for long periods of time. And of course we all know the restructuring of the companies labor cost in the present contract. There are more like these under the magnifying class with hopes they will add to the bottom line in a positive way. But, there is one avenue of restructuring that isn`t talked about much... this avenue is one that Ford has a real nack for. I guess we at Ford don`t hear much about this restructuring because the venders are always outside entities. You know, business partners. They come and go without concern for the time clock. They get to use the phones and set up in office space. Possibly get a free meal now and then. But, when the business genius of Ford Motor company comes into play, this avenue can be a dark and scary road to travel. Just ask any vender Ford still has as a business partner..... Now there is one vendor that hasn`t seen much resturcturing, so far. What if Ford starts looking at this vendor and starts restucturing its place as a business partner? Ford might look at how much is paid to represent the vendors supplied labor? Maybe Ford will work out some reduction but allow for the business partner, vendor to see an increase in their income by reallocation of their staff? Just a thought, reduce the cost of each plants operating cost. Then throw some of the reduced cost at the vendor to offset the costs the vendor has in its everyday operations... WIN!!! WIN!!! Right? Look at it like this. Every plant pays for lets say 4 heads (yeah, I know not a nice way to put it, but its business) to represent the labor that the vendor sells to Ford. These 4 heads do the authority figure type of operation. Make decisions on who gets what when it comes to days off, getting excused and how the overtime is handed out. And of course these heads sit at a table and make the deals that show up in a contract. Not at all plant do these heads sit at that table... (Local Contract, got one?) OK, think busines partners.... Ford puts on the table, to the vendor, (IUAW) a plan to put the same amount the head of the heads gets for a full year of earnings in the vendors account and in return reduces all 4 heads worth of yearly income that Ford would show as a restructuring benefits....? The vendor thinks, one years earnings multiplied by all the heads of the heads at all the plants.... Hmmm what do you think the vendor is going to do??? Well, hows this for some restructuring on the vendors part? The announcement is made.... drum role please.... Due to a restructuring the IUAW will be shifting some of its leaderships responceabilities as listed: 1) All Barganing units will fullfil their terms in office then return to their picked out operations. 2) Committee persons will continue to be the memberships first line of repersentation. (do everything, dam it) 3) Regional Servicing Rep`s will assume the part time role as head of the heads. WIN....WIN..... 160K a year from each plant that one business partner is now in control of and lets just say half a MILLION baby!!! at each plant in operating cost RESTRUCTURING SAVINGS!!!!!!!!! NAAAA.... never happen ........ (Business is Business) Decker 1 of the 1788

Thanks, CandyCane, Smokey paw and XSTAP. The Big Business, Labor Agency we call "Our Union" is really moving further and further away from its beginings. The questions of "why" they do this or that seem to be asked by an ever growing number of its members. Decker 1 of the 1788

Yep, we push the police units through our process then send them down the street for dress out. We haven`t worked all the bugs out of this type of process so, these units do come back to our plant for this or that then back down the street. We are seeing some paint application issuses, this to will make for the boomerrang symptom..... I can only hope we get close to the process that our sisters and brothers in Canada had in place, on the best police interceptors made. Decker 1 of the 1788

"Ford has always played games" well, I guess you can call it that. Ford is in business to do one thing and only one thing.... Show a Profit. Yes Ford has become very good at one thing over the last 70 or 80 years and that is, controling the business (IUAW) that Ford purchases all its labor from. 70 to 80 years ago a group of people stood together and fought for a number of things the laborer`s at the different plants in Detroit needed to become safe on the job, have a life outside of the plant, provide for their families on a middle class level and the right of choice. The group of people became the IUAW a very trusted organization. (then) The labor organization fought and won the right to work in a safe environment, wages that grew to help build the American middle class and this family orientated organization fought and fought for the right of choice when it came to overtime. If Ford needed to buy extra labor, the organization (not a business partner) made it clear that the time after the first eight hours in any day and after the fifth day of any work schedule would be purchased at a premium. What the HELL happened to the IUAW....?? My opinion and only my opinion. I can think of two situations that may have been the writing on the wall. First, Henry fought the UAW and stated on many occasions he would never have the Union in his buildings. Ford was the last to be organized. Then Henry released a statement, "I will control the union by doing as I do with all other business partners", "I will give the elected union officials Executive Privilege". Like most business partners the union officials come and go without any concern of the time clock. Office space, phone privileges, company supplies and in some buildings free meals. Now today stop and think of some of these business partner benefits. Why you may wonder, is the "word" so often mentioned when Ford and the IUAW Ford Department are working together on just about anything? The word is Relationship.... Yep, good Business Relationships produce successful, rewarding and profitable business.... For the business PARTNERS. The second situation, does anyone really think that the Reuthers or any other leaders in our Labor Organization, would have ever imagined how their organization would be transform in to a large business entity. Sitting on the Board of Directors of one of The Big Three, becoming part owners of Chrysler LLC, controling over a Billion Dollars in assets, control and adminiester multi Billion Dollar insurance corperation.(VEBA) (a second attempt but, first in the Auto Indust.) Once again, my opinion. I believe my Union was taught very well by a business genius (Ford Motor Co.) and over the years has become a very ruthless business partner. Ford is buying and the IUAW is selling what they need to reach Fords one and only reason for existence. Profit. How things have come full circle. The only difference from way back then, the Reuthers only had the company to contend with. We on the other hand have a multi billion dollar vender to contend with and the venders business partner, Ford Motor Co. Ok, bring on the go and quit shit, CC. As far as bringing anyone down, really??? have you talked with any Trades members that have had their schedules change two or three times in the last month? Or maybe walk through the Trim or Chassis Department lately? Maybe take a walk through Pre-Delivery where starting times are a topic of discussion everyday? That look on so many faces is as down as I`ve seen since we went to one shift. CandyCane in all due respect, a "downer" is watching members that have to do whatever Ford wants (even if it makes NO sence) and their business partner doing very little to support the membership to their right of choose. Do you know any members that have had to choose between the Little League Game, Dad`s weekend or an R&W because Saturday`s are manditory?

Yep, we are thankful.... and after hearing it over and over from this IUAW Rep and that IUAW Rep we all sing it in unison now... "Yes, we are thankful to have a Jaa-Ohh-Bee" but, it dosent make the contract and its loop holes go down any easier..... :mellow:

Why?... leg of lamb.... mighty tastey ummm um :rolleyes:

No.... my first girl friend had TWO legs :shades:

I agree that the first bite by the goverment would be an amount that most of us can`t imagine. But the tax burdend would then only accur on the interest earned from the principal. As a retiree most if not all expences would have to be planned on everyday needs and the standard of living one would want to sustain. In a world where someone else has been regulating (30 to 40 years) your income, (bi-monthly or weeky) I can see this being good for some and not so good for some. With the prior buy out`s there were some real horror stories. Unfortunately some only saw 6 figure checks. I would, if the amounts talked about were close to reality, be happy to take on the accountability and planning that would come with this type of decision. Coming from a farming background, pay days were once or twice a year so the planning that was drummed into my head would come in handy. For me it would be my jumping off point. Thanks qwertyuiop Decker 1 of the 1788

Thanks Pulse

I like your train of thought, qwertyuiop. At 500k, with 40 years that might be very interesting to many. I can only wonder what it might be if offered to the UAW membership. At present the IUAW gets a cut from every bonus checks the membership receives. I think they would negociate (In our best interest) a large cut on the 500k.... I can hear it now, you know VEBA needs help. I know CC..... "no sence and you had to stop reading" Decker 1 of the 1788

Coming from a member of this forum that seems to know and make complete sence of everything and every posts topic. I can only thank you for putting me into that ever growing number of members that have been graced with your complete understanding of everything. Would Candy Cane PHD., suggest some form of continuing education? On my part? Hey, CC you going for some kind of responce record? Pull up BON and all you see is "Candy Cane"..... good luck, I don`t know what the prize is but, dam your well on your way. The new format is going to take a little time to get use too. I for one, while not making any sence, want to have proper spelling of my Jibberish...(Americanized Yiddish) Where is the spell check? Decker 1 of the 1788

All the text messaging and phone calls with the need to talk with any human being about the "A" crew, "B" crew and the answer to Fords need for cheap labor the "C" crew are jamming all the cell phone band width around CAP.... Some here at CAP are starting to see the crap hitting the fan, I refer to the "3 crew" part of the AWS and all the other opitions under this AWS crap. Now dont get me wrong there are those that really want to work "4" days a week. Also there are those that want to work "4" on "3" off or "5" on "20" off or what ever is going on in the Trades.... Then "Reality" !!!!! Well, "4" days a week.... mabye not. Mandatory Overtime, yep 5 days a week. Some of the text messaging involved such questions as, What the hell you mean they can make me (A Crew) come in on Sunday at 6 freckin A...M..??? Look at it like this, what did you really do on the Sunday in between Saturday and a Monday holiday like Memorial Day? Hell the holiday is really Monday anyway. "4" day work schedule yep sounds great. What happens when your work schedule includes let say, a Friday and a Monday? Some other text messages were... How the hell can they make me (C Crew) work NATIONAL HOLIDAYS that falls on Monday or Friday!!!!??? and the phone call that really had a slam of reality.... What do you mean your not sure I can convert my HOLIDAY PAY if I work the HOLIDAY!!!!?? Then the text and phone calls on the topic of "I like the schedule I have now". (starting at 2pm, the current "C Shift") "how do I go about declining my bid for C Crew?"... Then there are the assumptions... Hell, I`ll just bump off this dam "C Crew" now that I have the classification anyway...?? The other assumption... Sunday will be Double Time??? Well, yes if the A Crew and the C Crew work Friday and Saturday together, side by side, then when the A Crew works Sunday it will be DOUBLE TIME!!!! And yes if the B Crew and the C Crew work together, side by side Monday and works Saturday ( if its mandatory), then when the B Crew works Sunday side by side with the C Crew, it will be DOUBLE TIME!!!! Sunday double time really???? One thing for sure, I keep hearing "We didn`t vote for this CRAP!!!" Well, the reality is here. Hang in there CAP. We will see how the Trim and Chassis department do Monday. I feel for those untrained, unknowing young members that just finished their training classes last Friday. As for the Salaried Crew..... get that deer in the head lights look off your faces its.... REALITY... right there in front of you. Now get those numbers!!! Decker 1 of the 1788

Someone got that name calling and judgmental disposition really bad. Come on Armstrong, do yourself a big favor and transfer some where (CAP) that has a brighter future. The stress your showing about your plant possibly closing is going to pop that vein on your forehead..... You might fit in here at CAP but you would have to tone down that International UAW cult worshiping thing you`ve got going on. If you do transfer anywhere, leave the Bob King posters and statues behind. Decker 1 of the 1788

Funny thing this promise that AAI got? AAI to produce "all" of the overflow units of the Fusion.... Has AAI, ran any CD4 prototype units? Funny thing, CAP has run 142 CD4 2013 units prior to the 2013 Fusion (CD4) launch. Yep, thru Body and Paint. Ran the CD4`s thru phosphate, E-coat, prime and enamel. The boy`s were taking measurements and making adjustments to equipment? Hmmm? :shades: Then packed up and sent off to the pilot plant. LAP, KTP, MAP, MTP, KCAP and CAP flexible assembly facilities.... AAI ? Wasn`t there a few promises made before the last voting process..... Decker 1 of the 1788

No one is saying much about length of duty. They are asking the repair people from KTP and MTP to stay till 08 April. Big announcement tomorrow......... ???? Decker 1 of the 1788

Talked to my supplier and told him that the General said I was getting bad shit..... He said anyone that admits they`re a Cubs fan can only get the bad shit. Something about all the good shit goes to the Tigers fans? As far as training for the broom detail, you would first have to see a local Doctor that issues broom licenses. Then practice, practice, practice..(apprenticeship). I never got the hang of it so, they offered me a repair classification. Your right Fatso. After four innings on a sunny hot Chicago afternoon, the women pulling off clothes, jumping around and more than a few ice cold Millers in the belly it is hard to remember all the silly crap that's going on at CAP. Got to know a few members from KTP and MTP this week. Good people, friendly and like that Chicago Pizza!!!! Think they will be asked to stay longer than next Friday? They`ve noticed that our process here at CAP has more than a few problems.... They do have some good stories. Hey,,,,, bfam,,,, soon as I get some of that good shit, I`ll try to work on this,,, comma obsession thing, till then get an ice cold Miller, grab a broom and practice,,,practice,,,practice. :rolleyes: Decker 1 of the 1788

,,,, its, a, FUCUS 8, posts, since, 2005??? Have trouble making a sentence,,,, tard Decker

Hold on, the guided tours to the exit have begun..... B) Decker 1 of the 1788 The packing is done, the hugs and kiss have ended.... the long walk out is over. The new Plant Manager will be from Ontario. Decker 1 of the 1788

Great, to have the new members, here at CAP. Those new sisters and brothers from Twin City's are some good people. We have been blessed to have a few members from Twin City`s that have become very active in the local and are helping their new sisters and brothers, deal with this crazy shit here at CAP. It is a good thing to have members from different plants under one roof, never know when one of them have had to deal with a problem we are having and can give some advice or help by letting us know how they delt with the issue in their former plants. (management is having a hard time dealing with type of information exchange) Pulse, I can`t agree with you more. I, like so many of my sisters and brothers here at CAP hope the decision maker don`t run this plant into a brick wall. Not only do we have all the poor decisions but, now the in fighting has gone to a level where the management people are arguing right out on the floor. :slapfight: (sometimes real entertaining) Hey wake up, Su-FI... one good thing about having so many members from allover the system we know first hand CAP is far from the only place that has Ford working that One Ford Magic.... Damage you gave me way to much credit.... see we here at CAP do everything S-L-O-W... hell, the first day at DTP, I would spend most of the day watching. Yep, I`d be watching to determine which "Limp" gets the best results at DTP. (left leg or right leg) Then the second day I`d make four or five trips to the medical dept.. This would give me time to figure out where I would want to work after I got my restriction. Then, I`d spend at least another day talking to the experts. I would ask such questions as "whats your Doctors phone number?" or "how long after your visit to your Doctor did it take to get to Pre-Delivery?" Then probably another few trips to medical before I stated my 7X12 work schedule with my RESTRICTION...... You see Damage, after a few more years you might figure out that doing something in 5 minutes is way too risky...(ask your girl friend). Besides Unicare pays way less than, 7X12 on restrictions. Now, for the hater`s.... One medical leave yep, one, when they scraped what was left of me off the street, I took almost 4 months to nurse my Harley back to good health. Speaking of doing things slow, dam if I just figured out how to work those pesky, sometimes irritating .... emoticons :yup: :blush: .... as you can see it doesn`t take much to entertain a CUBS fan :hysterical2: All sarcasm aside sisters and brother, CAP is working on some type of STUPID award !!!!! Decker 1 of the 1788