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3 minutes ago, Andrew L said:
The 3.5 regular and 3.5 EcoBoost and 3.7 in FWD form only have internal water pumps if they fail and you don't catch it in time you need a new engine. If you do catch it in time its a partial engine disassembly to get it done. It's not a cheap fix at all. The 2.0T had coolant intrusion issues I am not sure if that has been fixed yet or not but apparently in 2015 or 2016 they changed the design and if you get coolant intrusion you need a new engine no ifs ands or buts. Ask my friend who had a 2018 MKZ. 69k miles and his car needs a new engine, Ford/Lincoln were not willing to help out at all he was 1 month past warranty but still under the miles.
All of this stuff has shaken my faith in Ford. They are still my preferred brand but I have to really think carefully if I do buy another car. Thankfully that won't be anytime soon, I am very happy with my current fleet.
I feel the same way, Ford is my first choice as I work for this corporation but my loyalty is waning abit. I have an old Ford and I plan on driving it as long as I can
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It is disheartening, Farley is saying all the right things but I see minimal improvements. What is going on with the engineering and suppliers as to why they can’t seem to mitigate this recall issue. Aren’t all those engines eco boost?? I know there have been issues with eco boost engines.
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I really can’t wait for the day when ford isn’t the recall leader and quality really improves.
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2 hours ago, silvrsvt said:
No plant yet, but given how price sensitive apparently they are, the smart money says Mexico, but there are a bunch of if and buts with that.
Then don't discount the reporting conflating information that is being put out.
Facts at the moment:
There is a skunkworks small/affordable EV being worked outside of Detroit. How small/cheap is the unknown.
Louisville is supposed to get a new product in 2027 or so to replace the Escape/Corsair-what is replacing it is anyone's guess-but leaning towards an EV
There is no additional plans at the moment for another Mexican assembly plant-but given how militant the UAW is going to be in the coming years, I'd say is a possibility that will happen.
The Mach E is built in Cuautitlán Assembly, so it will be worth watching what Ford does with it. One of the big reasons it is built there is due to Mexico having favorable trading rights with the EU and other parts of the world. The new Explorer EV being built in the EU costs slightly more then the Mach E but I'm not 100% sure how different the are going by size etc. That would make that plant a good target to build the affordable EVs in. What is Ford's long term plans with the Mach E? One thing that might be possible is that the Mach E and the Mustang EV coupe merged together early next decade. I'd say that Louisville would be a good fit for that, if Ford decides to close Flat Rock.
Mexico and Canada have free trade agreements with Europe. I know the small EVs will not be built in Canada. I mentioned Mexico because Fords Mach-E projections of 200,000 haven’t been met. I know the Oakville 3 row was once slated to go into various facilities including Cuatitlan. They could easily increase plant utilization by putting those two products there. I once heard that the Mach E was supposed to go to Oakville but I find that one hard to believe. The next UAW contract isn’t til 2028 so things will be interesting. They’re ahead of the game and probably have an idea where they will be allocating some of these upcoming vehicles although we know things can change based on market conditions.
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29 minutes ago, ExplorerDude said:
The low cost EV is a replacement for the Escape (or the next gen as an EV) however you want to look at it. I don’t believe they will co-exist at the same time.
Ok I guess more info will be out in due process.
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2 minutes ago, ExplorerDude said:
Anything is possible and subject to change. However it is publicly known that the first low cost EV priced around $25,000 starting will come out of LAP in Kentucky.
So when is the Escape gonna get cancelled then and the Corsair?? Or are they gonna add onto the plant?? 2026 isn’t too far from now.
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11 hours ago, silvrsvt said:
the issue is that Oakvillie is being retooled to make EVs, which from what i understand is going to make big changes to the way the plant is laid out vs the way it is currently being used.
The other thing is this-with the changes over the next few years-EVs are still coming, like it or not, so does it really make sense to offer a PHEV 2 row CUV that will only be on sale for less then 10 years to recoup the costs? its going to take at least another 24 months or longer to get say a reskinned CN Edge for sale in the NA market and a plant tooled up for it. Given we are almost half way through 2024, I doubt it would be on sale tlll 2027MY in late 2026 or early 2027.
Then how would it impact plans for other products that are in the pipeline? I could see maybe Louisville getting the C2 midsize products due to timing, but how would that impact the low cost EVs that are apparently coming to replace the Escape? Will they move someplace else? will they just slot under the Escape/Bronco Sport?
Is it not a possibility that these low cost EVs go to Mexico?? Ford didn’t announce what plant they’re going in. Or am I mistaken here?
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31 minutes ago, akirby said:
As I said before, Musk’s ego - which is the only reason the thing ever made it past the prototype stage to begin with - will keep it around at least a year, maybe more.It’s just a terrible looking product, I haven’t seen one yet up here in the GTA.
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1 hour ago, ice-capades said:
Based on all the recent reports from customers that took delivery of a CyberTruck, it'll be interesting to see how long it takes Tesla to cut their losses and drop it so they can address other priorities.
That will be interesting to see, I really wonder if they will drop it.
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The Cybertruck is a hideous, overhyped, overpriced piece of garbage! If Ford made a truck like that Ford would get raked over the coals!
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3 minutes ago, Gurgeh said:
Well, Ford could shift all new US/Canada-built EVs to the new Blue Oval City since the vehicles are getting delayed and now the new facility should be ready by the time Job 1 for them actually comes. There you go with a nice big unused facility in Canada with a great record and terrific workforce ready and able to bring back the Edge, repatriate Nautilus production, and maybe do something else on the side. I know, I know. The time for that logical decision was a year or two ago. But you are saying Ford's problem is that all of their North American factories have no capacity available for new product. Well, this one apparently does and Ford's current plan seems to be to just let it sit idle for the next two years.
I believe Ford is under capacity, not overcapacity. Mach-E plant can build more vehicles, Flat Rock is on one shift. Blueovalcity and Oakville can build multiple vehicles. Etc etc. The truck plants and MAP are using most of their capacity. Hermosillo all out, Chicago pretty full. Louisville doing pretty good.
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8 hours ago, Gurgeh said:
I recently bought the 2024 Nautilus and follow issues related to the vehicle on a couple of Facebook sites. One thing I've noticed is that there seems to be three distinct groups buying the new Nautilus: (1) previous generation Nautilus owners (like me) -- and sometimes past Aviator owners or people who went into the Lincoln dealership thinking they wanted to buy an Aviator but didn't really need that third seat or towing capacity and found they liked the Nautilus better, (2) a variety of former Lexus/BMW/MB/Genesis owners, and (3) former Edge owners, especially Edge ST owners. Most of them are generally happy with their purchase and compare the Nautilus favorably to their previous vehicle. One common complaint among the Edge ST owners, however, is the lower off-the-line torque -- but only off-the-line -- with the 2.0 hybrid than with their previous 2.7, though they still like and prefer the new Nautilus overall. The odd thing is that you don't find former Nautilus 2.7 owners saying the same thing as much. I think it is because former Nautilus owners are established Lincoln buyers and understand the whole point of Lincolns is the quality of the drive and the luxury of the car, not its 0-60 number. Whereas Edge ST buyers often bought that ST specifically because from time to time they really liked to punch that accelerator from a standing stop.
That said, while I think the new Nautilus is a great vehicle and wish its production had stayed in North America, it really isn't a full replacement for the Edge. While the lowest trim 2024 Nautilus gives you great value in a luxury mid-sized crossover, it still goes for a lot more than an Edge.
The new Nautilus looks sharp, I hope you enjoy it and it holds up for years.
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1 hour ago, akirby said:
They rushed to kill Edge and Nautilus too early just to meet an anticipated demand that now isn’t happening and apparently with the wrong kind of product. They could have brought a C2 edge and nautilus to Oakville and decided later if it made sense to convert to EVs.I think it started with the 5 EVs from VW’s platform and pending government mandates to go EV quickly around the world. But then the VW platforms didn’t work out. And then the market cooled off and govts backed off the EV mandates, but by the time that happened it was too late to save Nautilus and Edge and there was no suitable Edge to import either. And now the direction is cheaper EVs and a whole factory sits idle. All because they rushed to get EVs out.
I totally agree with what you’re saying. Spot on assessment of the situation.
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42 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:
Getting it right and making money on it are two different things. Apparently the new benchmark is EVs have to be profitable after a year of production, going by Fords comments.
Given how the economy and market demand is, to launch a product early just for it flounder in the marketplace isn't the best course of action.
I get your in a shitty position, but blowing up about it in every single post isn't going to fix or change it.
I’m fully aware that ranting won’t help the situation. Like i said in another post, Ford is doing what they feel is best for the company.
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18 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:
Getting it right and making money on it are two different things. Apparently the new benchmark is EVs have to be profitable after a year of production, going by Fords comments.
Given how the economy and market demand is, to launch a product early just for it flounder in the marketplace isn't the best course of action.
I get your in a shitty position, but blowing up about it in every single post isn't going to fix or change it.
I will work on reducing my venting.
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2 hours ago, akirby said:
They didn’t rush T3. They didn’t rush Mach-E or Lightning - they are good first effort vehicles and learning experiences and they’re doing ok with proper pricing. The only thing rushed was Oakville.What about Oakville was rushed?? The decision to get rid of the Edge too early? Or the product that they still can’t get right it seems??
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On 4/4/2024 at 4:09 PM, OacRookie said:
The Union will have to negotiate something. Workers with 20+ years will mostly be fine as they have 102 weeks of income protection via SUB. I have 9 years, so I have 64 credits.
We will see how much they mitigate this as they say they’re going to
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On 4/4/2024 at 3:44 PM, OacRookie said:
Here's hoping its MY2027, which would put us back in the plant around end of q1/start of q2 2026 perhaps?
Late 2027 is the word
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9 minutes ago, ExplorerDude said:
The sad part is I would have never considered the first gen Edge as a commodity product by any means. The first gen was way more of a passion product. There was nothing else quite like it at the time outside of the Nissan Murano.
Yes, perhaps the second gen is more of a commodity product. But its popularity is amazingly still pretty good for a decade old design.
Only one person decided that the Edge was a commodity and it should be dropped. Farley really only loves the Mustang family, Bronco family, F-Series and Maverick.
I agree but there’s no changing course anymore. They made the moves they feel is best for the company. With the Edge on the way out we will see how much sales of their other crossovers and suvs increase.
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39 minutes ago, davele said:
From the letter I seen, they are going ahead with the re-tooling. That's a big spend to simply shut down.
I know they’re going ahead with it but anything can change
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4 hours ago, jpd80 said:
It sucks man, Ford now has a huge hole in its product plans for the next few years.
I can’t believe that Ford basically let Oakville go over a cliff without a contingency plan,
almost compelling that their BEVs were probably so bad as to be hopelessly uncompetitive
and now they’re going to redesign these things for a third time? ..F*** my brown dog.
They know that whatever they’re designing isn’t gonna sell well so back to the drawing board yet again. If they somehow change the plan yet again and pull out of Canada the federal and provincial government should demand their money back and slap some tariffs on ford. Can anyone tell me in here when a plant has been idled and restarted after a three year pause that wasn’t closed down first?! I got over 25 years I’ll be ok what about the ppl with less seniority? This is all just crap!
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3 hours ago, jpd80 said:
Yeah and even if it was possible, ita good bet that Farley would have made sure the answer was no.
Extending the existing Edge would be a huge embarrassment after taking up new BEV products.
Its the same thing as when he ducked the dealer discussion, better to avoid a conversation altogether.
Like I said in the other thread, Ford is redesigning these BEVs for the third time……Yikes.
I agree with you, he explicitly said the Mach-E is way better than the Edge and we don’t want commodity products we want passion products lol. They realize the product they’re working on probably wouldn’t even sell 50000 a year so that’s why we’re in this mess. Some people honestly believe the next step will be a plant closure. I won’t go that far yet, anything is possible with Ford.
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On 4/5/2024 at 10:04 AM, ice-capades said:
REPORT: Ford Edge Production Continuation Wasn't Possible
https://fordauthority.com/2024/04/ford-edge-production-continuation-wasnt-possible-report/
Back in the fall of 2020, Ford and the Canadian union Unifor reached a new contract agreement containing terms that went far beyond the typical pay raises and improvements to benefits. In fact, this new deal set in motion some major changes for the automaker’s Oakville Assembly plant, which at the time produced two vehicles – the Ford Edge and Lincoln Nautilus. This new deal laid out plans to retool the plant for the production of all-electric vehicles in the future, and since then, production of the redesigned 2024 Nautilus has moved to China, while Edge production is slated to end later this month. Given the fact that The Blue Oval just announced that it’s delaying the start of Ford Explorer EV production at Oakville from 2025 to 2027, many wondered why Ford Edge production wasn’t extended, but it seems as if such a move just isn’t possible, according to a new report from Automotive News.
According to this report, Unifor workers at the Oakville plant received a memo informing them that FoMoCo “did extensive study into the possibility of extending” Ford Edge production at the facility following its decision to delay production of the forthcoming North American Explorer EV. However, it ultimately came to the conclusion that – due to “supply case constraints and emissions requirements” – that it was best served to continue its plans to begin retooling the plant in Q2 of 2024. According to the memo, this delay “allows us to improve vehicle quality and benefit our customers by leveraging emerging battery and other technologies.”
In the meantime, it’s unclear what workers at Oakville will be tasked with doing for the next couple of years, though Ford did note that it “will work with Unifor to mitigate the impact the launch delay will have on its workforce at Oakville.” “We value our Canadian teammates and appreciate that this delay will have an impact on this excellent team,” Ford CEO Jim Farley added. “We are fully committed to manufacturing in Canada and believe this decision will help us build a profitably growing business for the long term.” Regardless, Unifor wasn’t exactly pleased with this delay, as Ford Authority reported yesterday.
“Unifor is extremely disappointed by the company’s decision. Our members have done nothing but build best-in-class vehicles for Ford Motor Company and they deserve certainty in the company’s future production plans,” said Unifor National President Lana Payne. “I want to be very clear here. Our members can be assured that we will push the company to explore every single possible opportunity to lessen the impact of this decision on them and their families.”
Farley never had any intention of continuing the commodity product Edge. He would rather have an assembly plant site idle til 2027 which is insane! I don’t believe this study bullshit.
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10 hours ago, ice-capades said:
Ford EV Partner EcoPro Delays Plant Investment Amid Pivot
https://fordauthority.com/2024/04/ford-ev-partner-ecopro-delays-plant-investment-amid-pivot/
With Ford shifting its focus away from larger, pricier EVs and toward smaller, cheaper ones, the automaker also recently announced that it’s pushing back the planned launch dates for the North American Ford Explorer EV and second-generation Ford F-150 EV – which drew the ire of the Canadian union Unifor. Of course, Ford isn’t alone in this regard, as several other automakers and even battery makers have dialed back similar plans in the face of weakened demand for all-electric vehicles as well. Now, that list has grown to include cathode material company and Ford EV partner EcoPro, according to The Korea Times.
Back in March 2023, another Ford EV partner – South Korean battery manufacturer SK On – announced that it planned to team up with EcoPro and Chinese battery materials producer GEM to erect a battery precursor plant in Saemangeum, South Korea, which was expected to churn out around 50,000 tons of precursors annually – a compound mixed with raw materials such as nickel, cobalt, and manganese that account for more than 65-70 percent of the cost of cathode materials – when it came online this year, which is enough to supply the production of roughly 300,000 105 kWh batteries for electric vehicles per year.
Now that Ford has scaled back its EV ambitions, EcoPro has also announced that it’s postponing a planned $87 million investment in EcoCAM Canada, a joint-venture that was aiming to open a cathode plant in that country as well. This means that production at this future facility now isn’t expected to begin until 2027, a year later than originally planned.
According to this report, EcoPro CEO Song Ho-jun stated this decision on a call with shareholders roughly one week before Ford revealed that it was pushing back production of the Explorer EV, which is slated to occur at the Oakville Assembly plant in Canada. “The establishment of the joint venture between SK On, Ford, and EcoPro is expected to be delayed a bit,” Ho-jun said.
Still trying to process this 2027 crap.
Ford recalling 456,565 US vehicles over loss of drive power, NHTSA says
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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Totally understandable!