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1 hour ago, JTL2017 said:
I think this is a bit of a mixed bag IMO. I like the exterior overall except for the black section on the rear. The interior just looks unfinished. I understand that they didn’t want to have the same screen as the Navi. So, they should've just used a normal gauge cluster instead of this unfinished look.
I think the interior looks really good! It has space and room to breath. There doesn't have to be something everywhere. Sometimes a clean surface is nice to look at.
I don't understand the blacking out of the tailgate. Maybe it'll grow on me...
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Give us a few more special Mach-E models like the Rally, and 2028MY with a late 2027 release will do just fine.
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On 8/29/2024 at 1:36 AM, rmc523 said:
Eh, I think i like the looks of the L better.
Same
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1 minute ago, akirby said:
Wouldn’t that just be a set it and forget it thing?
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2 hours ago, akirby said:
Legitimate criticism:
no new powertrains although the current one is really great at 440/510. There really is no point going bigger. There is still time for a new hybrid powertrain announcement before ordering begins. Ford has done this before.
no air suspension
Stupid criticisms:
The L is too long
The 48” screen is too small
They're using the same screen in a Ford (gasp!)
The screen has a line in the middle! (double gasp!)
I hear ya. None of these are dealbreakers for me. The split in the screen is wack though! There’s folding phones out here and they couldn’t do a one piece pane lol. Much more to like though then to criticize! It’ll be nice to see in the road. -
27 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:
I sure do see a lot of people picking the fly shit out of pepper at the moment with some of the comments made here.
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1 hour ago, joseodiaga4 said:
I think you are referring to the Nautilus?
I was in the US a month ago a went to a Ford/Lincoln dealer. I checked it but I didn't find it to be that bad in execution but I guess it is a bit subjective.
Can you tell us a bit more about your Escalade IQ experience? Also I didn't think there is such a difference in the usability of the screen, just in size although it is true that there is not much videos about it.
Can you tell us about your experience?
yeah, I guess the expedition and other Fords will get the same screen and I think it is one of the dumbest ideas. We can finally see some difference between Ford and Lincolns and the plan for the interior is to do the same design.
this is what I have been saying, I know 48in is a rather big screen for a car but this seems small and less impressive in the Navi vs the Nautilus. What is the explanation around using the same screen considering there is a big width difference?
Thank you for the correction!Explanation for using the same screen just boils down to cost. Lincolns lineup is less expansive than Cadillac. Cadillac has the screen in the IQ, Escalade, Celestiq, Sollei (if it goes into production). With the Lincoln/Ford screen, looks like for now we’ll get it in the Expedition, Nautilus, and Navi.
IQ experience:
F-word it’s huge! Too big imo. Has presence on the road but the space in the interior doesn’t justify the size. Inefficient packaging imo. UI isn’t the most straightforward but lots of features (seems like the Navi will get some of the entertainment features that aren’t enabled in the Nautilus yet). 55inch screen looks and feels very expensive. Power open and close doors are nice but finicky. Massage seats are great! Materials are fantastic though the overall interior design may be a bit busy in some areas. Love the metallic-like wood. Seeing the hood go nose up even with light acceleration is… interesting… Not as quiet and smooth on the road as i expected but good. Good power for such a heavy vehicle, seems like it has less body roll than my Ioniq tbh.
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30 minutes ago, rmc523 said:
Wording used aside, I think the overall point is that we won’t see a Chevy Tahoe or GMC with the Cadillac screens and for good reason.-
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3 hours ago, rmc523 said:
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16 hours ago, ausrutherford said:
My only bone to pick at is that the large "screen" is actually two screens. There is a break in the middle that would drive me nuts.
Agreed! It was my biggest gripe after checking out the new Nautilus at our dealer. Really cheapens the look tbh. Poor execution. Big sign of cost cutting, shouldn’t be so glaring in luxury vehicles.
And after riding around in the new Cadillac IQ, and experiencing that interface, unfortunately this new Lincoln screen just doesn’t hold a candle to what’s in the IQ and new Escalade.
This set up appears to be shared with Ford too. I don’t know how to feel about that.
It was impressive in the Nautilus (outside of the distracting break in the middle), it looks slightly less impresssive, and “small” in the Navigator but it works!
Still, overall this is a very nice refresh!
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2 hours ago, BoomerSooner said:
As tepid as the market is for full EVs, as quickly as Ford has drawn back on its grandiose EV sales goals, and as little as Ford has done to improve the range of its current EVs, let's hope the 7-passenger replacement for the Edge is at least a plug-in hybrid. Ford--nor the market--needs another 200-mile functional range EV vehicle.
Expect it to be a full EV with more than 200 miles.
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3 hours ago, rmc523 said:
"Aviator news coming soon" is probably just the goofy-looking (too) light refresh finally debuting.
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I sketched this a few years ago - the right two are a bit low/wide to be realistic, but was my idea of a new Lincoln product:
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Getting back to Edge - I think maybe we're mis-interpreting Farley's words about commodity product.
In the sense that its excitement factor needs to be amped up so that it generates its own passionate fans that are willing to pay an elevated price over the competition. Sort of how Mach E started as a compliance car, and was injected with "passion" via Mustang cues and association.
Cool design.
I agree with your interpretation of his comments. It would explain at least a small part of why some of these products we may have seen by now were pushed back; some of it is design changes.
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I see Edge buyers and the Ford 3 row EV as different consumers. I'd love to see a graph of how Ford see's their vehicles offerings and how they may or may not overlap.
I'm guessing the EV will be just a tad bigger than the Mach E/Model Y, but not as big as a future Explorer EV (if that's still in the pipeline).
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This is kind of how humans speak to each other, we move around topics and have open discussion that are still somewhat on topic but may derail a bit. I'd rather that then discussions dying bc we can't "just talk",. Is it a file room or a forum (little joke to poke the bears <3), is it okay for things to just move freely? Not a free for all of course but ykwim.
I'll follow the rules and moderations of course, but I did want to ask genuinely.
I always think of these paths when you guys step in hahah.
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15 hours ago, ExplorerDude said:
Yes you are correct!
Is this a Lincoln version of the 3-row ford ev or is this the "aviator ev" we've heard about?
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21 minutes ago, Dequindre said:
Farley needs to go. Why should Ford cede a massive amount of market share to foreign brands that will only continue to edge into Ford's "non-boring" vehicle segments? Look at the Hyundai Palisade and Kia Telluride. Hyundai and Kia can upsell those more premium products to their prior Sonata buyers, this Soul buyers, their Forte buyers, etc. Ford is going to have a hard time peeling buyers like this away when they're in the news for recall after recall rather than building quality products. It's hard to get buyers in the showroom to buy your "premium" products when you have a bad reputation for reliability (warranted or not).
I'd prefer desirable vehicles over market share.
They need to do something about their quality though!! You are right about that.
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I think the original lightning production plan was about 50k a year; this cut is still above that. They jumped the gun with increasing production.
Sidenote, and this is just an opinion, consumers are not rewarding the automakers and its dealer network (and other companies) for (what I saw as) price gouging during the pandemic and chip shortage.
I do think Farley is right in believing that EVs should be differentiated from ICE counterparts so I'm excited to see what project T3 brings! If plans dont change...
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On 11/20/2023 at 11:28 AM, akirby said:
I rest my case.Calling this badge engineering is like calling the current gen Edge and the Nautilus badge engineering. Just not accurate.
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2 hours ago, akirby said:
Yes but I think it has a mid gate that folds down.
This thing sucks when compared to actual BEV pickups.
Well, there's only two BEV pickups out right now and this hasn't been compared to them in the real world. And I am doubtful that this is in the same class as the Lightning. This may be the size of a Rivian.
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30 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:
That's Vizcom, a free software, at least for the base version. It's only available on desktops for now, but they're working on a mobile version. It uses AI to render, you can feed either existing images, and/or text prompts into it. It's pretty primitive as far as AI image creation goes, it tends to mess up the details a lot of the time. But for free software, it's not bad.
It saves a ton of time if you want to sketch something, and then render it, because you can just give it a simple pencil sketch, and ask it to render that drawing realistically, and end up with something that would take half and hour to do in Photoshop if not longer.
As for the 3D modeling itself, I use a program called GravitySketch, which allows you to design in full scale wearing a VR headset. So you can walk around a full sized model while making changes, it's pretty ready to get into.
Are you a designer? Design student?
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8 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:
Here you go my friend. I have to preface that this was rendered feeding a 3D into an AI program, so it did some weird things. The surfacing and detailing is pretty off compared to the actual model, but the overall shape and proportions are pretty close to the real thing. Basically imagine this shape with a more sculpted and vented hood, sportier front graphics, and less cuts down the body side. It's a quirky design, would definitely polarized people if it was an actual truck, but it's had some fans thus far due to how different it is.
That's pretty interesting! I like where it's going! I can see it something along these lines actually working really well commercially despite being polarizing.
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6 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:
Tesla design in the sense of prioritizing areo targets over aesthetic appeal.
I get that, zig where others zag is the guiding principle to my own approach to product design. My mentality is the world only looks at you if you give them a reason to, if you're a startup, and you just copy the f-150, then everyone is just going to buy an f-150.
I'm working on a small sporty truck for my portfolio, early on, I decided to wanted to shorten the hood and lengthen the bed, while also lowering the nose. Trying to applying those ideas to something with the typical blocky truck styling cues just looked off. So I decided to try something radically different. I said to myself, in theory, this would be an EV, you can make an EV truck perform really well, but what if you also made it look the part? You're already giving this truck the cab forward proportions of a mid-engine car, so instead of pulling styling cues from a typical truck, make it look like a lifted mid engine sports car instead. It worked, version 1 and 2 of the design were a little rough, I'd say I'm on version 3.5 now, and it's showing some promise.
It still needs some tweaks, but it's something very different. The overall profile looks vaguely like the lancia rally cars from the 80s, and there's an areo pass through in the hood like the EV charger concept. It's a small, practical truck that goes and looks like a sports car. It wouldn't appeal to everyone, but it would definitely appeal to people who want the practicality of a truck, in a more exciting package. So I definitely understand the appeal of doing things differently, but there's a good different, and a bad different.
I'd love to see what youre working on!
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9 minutes ago, akirby said:
Im not sure it’s being done just for styling. What’s been described doesn’t sound like a Tesla design.It sound's like it's being done at Ford sounds like it is for efficiency, which I think it should be. Let the form follow the function.
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7 minutes ago, akirby said:
Cybertruck is a cartoon/hot wheels toy that can’t compete with F150 or Silverado EV trucks. It’s the DeLorean of the EV world.Hahah that's funny.
I am curious of how it will perform in real world! It has to be good. It can not just be something to look. Reviews should be happening in the next couple months.
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I've squinted off and on long enough, I think I understand what they were trying to do. Does this help?