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3 hours ago, rmc523 said:
"Aviator news coming soon" is probably just the goofy-looking (too) light refresh finally debuting.
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I sketched this a few years ago - the right two are a bit low/wide to be realistic, but was my idea of a new Lincoln product:
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Getting back to Edge - I think maybe we're mis-interpreting Farley's words about commodity product.
In the sense that its excitement factor needs to be amped up so that it generates its own passionate fans that are willing to pay an elevated price over the competition. Sort of how Mach E started as a compliance car, and was injected with "passion" via Mustang cues and association.
Cool design.
I agree with your interpretation of his comments. It would explain at least a small part of why some of these products we may have seen by now were pushed back; some of it is design changes.
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I see Edge buyers and the Ford 3 row EV as different consumers. I'd love to see a graph of how Ford see's their vehicles offerings and how they may or may not overlap.
I'm guessing the EV will be just a tad bigger than the Mach E/Model Y, but not as big as a future Explorer EV (if that's still in the pipeline).
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This is kind of how humans speak to each other, we move around topics and have open discussion that are still somewhat on topic but may derail a bit. I'd rather that then discussions dying bc we can't "just talk",. Is it a file room or a forum (little joke to poke the bears <3), is it okay for things to just move freely? Not a free for all of course but ykwim.
I'll follow the rules and moderations of course, but I did want to ask genuinely.
I always think of these paths when you guys step in hahah.
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15 hours ago, ExplorerDude said:
Yes you are correct!
Is this a Lincoln version of the 3-row ford ev or is this the "aviator ev" we've heard about?
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21 minutes ago, Dequindre said:
Farley needs to go. Why should Ford cede a massive amount of market share to foreign brands that will only continue to edge into Ford's "non-boring" vehicle segments? Look at the Hyundai Palisade and Kia Telluride. Hyundai and Kia can upsell those more premium products to their prior Sonata buyers, this Soul buyers, their Forte buyers, etc. Ford is going to have a hard time peeling buyers like this away when they're in the news for recall after recall rather than building quality products. It's hard to get buyers in the showroom to buy your "premium" products when you have a bad reputation for reliability (warranted or not).
I'd prefer desirable vehicles over market share.
They need to do something about their quality though!! You are right about that.
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I think the original lightning production plan was about 50k a year; this cut is still above that. They jumped the gun with increasing production.
Sidenote, and this is just an opinion, consumers are not rewarding the automakers and its dealer network (and other companies) for (what I saw as) price gouging during the pandemic and chip shortage.
I do think Farley is right in believing that EVs should be differentiated from ICE counterparts so I'm excited to see what project T3 brings! If plans dont change...
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On 11/20/2023 at 11:28 AM, akirby said:
I rest my case.Calling this badge engineering is like calling the current gen Edge and the Nautilus badge engineering. Just not accurate.
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2 hours ago, akirby said:
Yes but I think it has a mid gate that folds down.
This thing sucks when compared to actual BEV pickups.
Well, there's only two BEV pickups out right now and this hasn't been compared to them in the real world. And I am doubtful that this is in the same class as the Lightning. This may be the size of a Rivian.
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30 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:
That's Vizcom, a free software, at least for the base version. It's only available on desktops for now, but they're working on a mobile version. It uses AI to render, you can feed either existing images, and/or text prompts into it. It's pretty primitive as far as AI image creation goes, it tends to mess up the details a lot of the time. But for free software, it's not bad.
It saves a ton of time if you want to sketch something, and then render it, because you can just give it a simple pencil sketch, and ask it to render that drawing realistically, and end up with something that would take half and hour to do in Photoshop if not longer.
As for the 3D modeling itself, I use a program called GravitySketch, which allows you to design in full scale wearing a VR headset. So you can walk around a full sized model while making changes, it's pretty ready to get into.
Are you a designer? Design student?
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8 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:
Here you go my friend. I have to preface that this was rendered feeding a 3D into an AI program, so it did some weird things. The surfacing and detailing is pretty off compared to the actual model, but the overall shape and proportions are pretty close to the real thing. Basically imagine this shape with a more sculpted and vented hood, sportier front graphics, and less cuts down the body side. It's a quirky design, would definitely polarized people if it was an actual truck, but it's had some fans thus far due to how different it is.
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That's pretty interesting! I like where it's going! I can see it something along these lines actually working really well commercially despite being polarizing.
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6 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:
Tesla design in the sense of prioritizing areo targets over aesthetic appeal.
I get that, zig where others zag is the guiding principle to my own approach to product design. My mentality is the world only looks at you if you give them a reason to, if you're a startup, and you just copy the f-150, then everyone is just going to buy an f-150.
I'm working on a small sporty truck for my portfolio, early on, I decided to wanted to shorten the hood and lengthen the bed, while also lowering the nose. Trying to applying those ideas to something with the typical blocky truck styling cues just looked off. So I decided to try something radically different. I said to myself, in theory, this would be an EV, you can make an EV truck perform really well, but what if you also made it look the part? You're already giving this truck the cab forward proportions of a mid-engine car, so instead of pulling styling cues from a typical truck, make it look like a lifted mid engine sports car instead. It worked, version 1 and 2 of the design were a little rough, I'd say I'm on version 3.5 now, and it's showing some promise.
It still needs some tweaks, but it's something very different. The overall profile looks vaguely like the lancia rally cars from the 80s, and there's an areo pass through in the hood like the EV charger concept. It's a small, practical truck that goes and looks like a sports car. It wouldn't appeal to everyone, but it would definitely appeal to people who want the practicality of a truck, in a more exciting package. So I definitely understand the appeal of doing things differently, but there's a good different, and a bad different.
I'd love to see what youre working on!
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9 minutes ago, akirby said:
Im not sure it’s being done just for styling. What’s been described doesn’t sound like a Tesla design.It sound's like it's being done at Ford sounds like it is for efficiency, which I think it should be. Let the form follow the function.
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7 minutes ago, akirby said:
Cybertruck is a cartoon/hot wheels toy that can’t compete with F150 or Silverado EV trucks. It’s the DeLorean of the EV world.Hahah that's funny.
I am curious of how it will perform in real world! It has to be good. It can not just be something to look. Reviews should be happening in the next couple months.
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56 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:
Farley thinks he's Elon Musk. He sees how the futuristic and strange designs for Tesla have worked for them and assumes it will work for Ford as well. He seems to have gotten in his head that new EVs have to be overly futuristic, not a smart strategy imo. It's good to differentiate your ICE and EV models, but it seems like they're going to far with it.
Some would say the Cybertruck goes too far. I think it went as far as it could and they would probably go farther if they reasonably could. I think that's a good thing, when done right of course, not going far just for the sake of going far. Shake up the market. Push design. Take real risk. Be innovative. Be unconventional. I'm excited to see if Ford/Lincoln delivers with the 3rows and project T3.
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Desirable EVs are expensive during a time of high interest rates, high inflation, where people are unsure of their confidence in the economy . It is clear why these are not moving off the lots.
Good lease rates and price cuts are helping, still the transition to a complete EV world will be slower than we thought.
There's other factors of course, EV education, infrastructure, politics, etc. but I believe these CEOs are out of touch with the people hoping to buy their products.
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1 minute ago, akirby said:
Very mustangish profile.
Excuse me?
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On 10/24/2023 at 3:31 PM, rperez817 said:
Tesla showed off Cybertruck at the Formula 1 Lenovo United States Grand Prix 2023 race at COTA this past weekend. Elon Musk attended the event.
That's exciting.
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11 minutes ago, Flying68 said:
They did not have $24B in profits. They had a net profit in 2021 of $17.9B in 2021 and a net loss in 2022 of $2.0B. So far in 2023 they have reported a net profit of $3.7B for the first half. Gross profit which I believe is what you are referring to was about $24B in 2022, but that is just total revenue - cost of sales and doesn't count any other expenses like corporate overhead, interest expenses, investments, etc..
Thanks for the clarification! That does put things a little more in context for me.
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19 minutes ago, akirby said:
Ford already said publicly they cannot add more money to the deal. They are maxed out. They can move things around but that’s it.I'm not sure I 100% believe they cant do any more and are maxed out. Not saying they should be maxed out either. I can believe they are maxed out where they WANT to be but I'm not sure if where they want to be is where they should be. Not saying the UAW should get everything they are asking for with no question, but I'm definitely not on the side of "Ford has done everything it can do, and anything more will destroy the industry." Sounds like fear mongering to be honest!
Still rooting for both sides to get this right!!
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Without speculating, I am not sure how far are they are from what the UAW is demanding. I also wonder what these increases will ACTUALLY cost Ford, taking into account Ford having $24 billion in profits last year. By comparison (Not that I think it's a completely fair one), Tesla's profit was half that over the same time period.
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9 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
The details of Ford’s most recent offer have been out for 2 weeksI havent seen them until today
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6 minutes ago, akirby said:
It’s already been widely publicized no need to repeat details. It’s a record deal and best in the industry.The point is to garner both public support and support within the UAW to end the strike.
Gotcha
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Just watched and...
He looks stressed and tired! of course... What a time...
He did say they offered the UAW a record contract, but I don't really know what that means without them sharing the details of said contract.
Sigh, still rooting for the UAW, and our American automakers.
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1 hour ago, akirby said:
This is far more radical than flex or Taurus.
When the heck are we gonna see this thing???
I know no one knows, just wanted to yell into space.
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2024 Ford Edge Production Will End In Late April
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
Posted · Edited by Willwll313wll
Expect it to be a full EV with more than 200 miles.