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Nobody wants the “base” trim. Maybe on bronco so they can mod it themselves, but no one buys the base trim on other models. People still want options and tech in their vehicles. Ford needs to find a way to make things cheaper without sacrificing quality.
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I’d like to see more of this as well. I’d also like to see trims like the rattler on the f150 go other models, though maybe pick a different name. This would give people a more affordable off-road model to choose from.
low end - rattler
mid - tremor
high end - raptor
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2 hours ago, Deanh said:
FYI...they just trade marked "BOSS"...........
Can’t wait for the suv EV version. BOSS-E sounds like a good name 😆
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I like rtr. I think this will be good for the ecoboost. Lower trims usually don’t look as good as the higher trims and this fixes that.
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Another issue that may or may not be a problem is you no longer need a sports car to go fast. EVs can accelerate faster while still providing all the space, functionality, and creature comforts of a SUV, truck, or sedan. And today’s ICE trucks and SUVs are not too far off from sports cars from a few years ago. F150, escape and explorer can all go 0 to 60 in mid to upper 5 second range.
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8 minutes ago, bzcat said:
Supply (price) is not the issue. In fact, Ford is restricting supply in a big way. Flat Rock can pump out a lot more Mustang.
The problem facing Mustang is demand. End of story. It's the same issue facing all other OEMs that used to sell coupes and convertible. The only one immune to this trend is Porsche because they've built up a really big halo on the 911 and Boxster/Cayman line. And that's what Farley is trying to do with Mustang... more upper end performance variants that actually generates demand for the entire model range.
If ford wants to compete with Porsche, it needs a new model. The mustang is a pony car and should stay that.
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15 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said:
But why aren't you even considering the Ecoboost Mustang in pricing at all? The GT is a "premier" trim level, so of course its going to cost more. Not to mention the impact to CAFE and whatnot, so Ford is going to charge a premium to cut back on sales on it.
The RAV4 is a massed produced vehicle that sells I think almost a million units a year world wide with a shared platform-pricing wouldn't impact it as much.
The ecoboost is irrelevant since I was comparing prices of the GT. But an ecoboost mustang started at 27k in 2021 and is now 32k. The rav4 was used to show that not all vehicles had a massive price increase. But you can do the same with the corvette. It had an msrp of 61k in 2021 and a msrp 70k now. The mustang GT price increased 38% while the corvette increased 15%.
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23 minutes ago, pictor said:
I don't think it's pricing, it is not enough people want a two door a daily driver to sit in urban traffic going nowhere fast. Baby boomers are not able get into a mustang like they used to . Corvette went up market even further and rear engine. The two major Japanese brands have hot hatches available specifically marketed to the go fast crowd. There will always be a market around the world for the Mustang, it just a smaller niche market.
The mustang being impractical has been a constant since it was first made, that’s not the reason. Adjusted for inflation, the mustangs price is roughly the same as 20 years ago. This does not mean that price can’t still be a deterring factor. Not everyone’s wages have increased at the same rate as inflation, so it could be more expensive to those consumers. It also doesn’t help that the price has increased so rapidly. In 2021 the mustang GT had an msrp of 36k. It’s now almost 50k. That’s a huge jump in a relatively short timeframe. For comparison, the rav4 had a starting price of 26k in 2021 and is now 28k.
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3 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:
Develop a platform that can be shared with other performance vehicles, stabilize sales with a variety of interesting derivatives.
According to this article, Ford doesn’t think pricing is an issue.https://www.motor1.com/news/747170/ford-mustang-priced-right-despite-low-sales/
I would beg to differ. Any article about low mustang sales is filled with comments about its price. Sharing a platform with another vehicle could help lower the price. A Lincoln or thunderbird could be options. An alternative could be something like the Toyota Supra/bmw z4 deal. Wouldn’t a Camaro/mustang deal be crazy?
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I’m surprised mustang is still around. Low sales, dedicated platform, and its own factory? Any other vehicle and it would be gone a long time ago. Most dealers around me don’t even stock mustangs anymore, and if they do, it’s only one or two.
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1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
I’m ok with this. The federal government has already spent waaaay too much on charging infrastructure with nothing to show for it. Leave it to the states and/or the private sector. Tesla has already proven they’re way more effective at it than the government.I wonder why gas stations haven’t voluntarily added chargers? You’d think they would love having customers essentially trapped there for 30 minutes.
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If EVs are unaffordable without the tax credit, then they were always a losing option. Hopefully now losing that $7500 will force automakers to innovate and make them cheaper.
Not sure how I feel about cutting the infrastructure money. The problem with EVs and their infrastructure is that they are always advancing. Do we want to spend billions just to have the infrastructure be outdated in a couple of years and then redo it all again? Think moores law.
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Hmmm, not sure what their design inspiration was for this. The front looks chinese, the side looks like a 2000’s era GMC suv with its square wheel arches, and the interior looks like a 1970’s truck. I think the overall shape is good, but I’ve said this a 1000 times, Hyundai/kia always seem to put one or two styling elements in their vehicles that keep them from having broad appeal.
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11 hours ago, jpd80 said:
Exactly so, Farley wanted to get this team as far away from Ford’s Engineering Division as possible.
When it comes to developing an affordable BEV, Ford ED has proven incapable of getting anywhere
near that. This is the ED that requires up to 150 separate modules in a vehicle and then criticises
Rivian for having an incompatible centralised ECU system…
If ford’s engineering dept isn’t cutting it, then that whole dept needs to be revamped. Hopefully this skunkworks is only temporary and the lessons they learn get passed on to engineering to right the ship so to speak.
1 hour ago, pictor said:This forums is not the EV's main target audience, it is more of echo chamber for ICE stalwarts. After driving an EV for year I can say categorically that I would not replace it with ICE vehicle. The problem with any social media is they tend to aggregate like minded folks.
I disagree. I think this forum represents the auto-buying public quite well with a wide range of views. Look at all the disagreements we have in every topic 🤣. I think everyone here is open to the idea of EVs. My personal view is that they are perfect for urban families with multiple vehicles. If you are single, live in rural areas, or drive long distances often, an EV makes things more complicated. They aren’t quite ready for prime time yet. Once solid state batteries are common place and infrastructure is built out more, more people will be willing to take a chance on EVs.
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Anyone else see the incentives for mach e on ford’s plan pricing website? That’s gotta be a typo right?
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How in the world are the explorer and capri more expensive than the mach e? That makes zero sense.
The puma looks like a smaller temu version of the mach e. The shield grille also doesn’t work as well when the headlights are above it. It’s ok on the mach e when the lights are on the side.
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The best part of this is the brass trim on the exterior. I think that’s kinda cool. I like the long hood, the exaggerated wheel haunches and even the headlights. But the new logos are terrible. Something doesn’t seem right about the rear c pillar. The rear and front grille are terrible. The angular design is also going to severely date this thing (think Cadillac XLR). There’s so many iconic fastbacks with long hoods out there that it was always going to be an uphill battle for this thing to compete.
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1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
Seems to be an unpopular opinion around here, but I really don’t like the look of the Puma, especially the front end.
I’ve never liked the puma, and this looks even worse than the ICE model.
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31 minutes ago, rmc523 said:
Is this real?
Maybe it'll look better in real life/not in a rendering, but eh. This makes me think of an 80s "future" car.
Regardless of the cars design, the quality of the render is subpar and amateur at best. I’ve seen better quality renders by motor1. This is not something I would expect from an ultra luxury brand.
80’s future car is a good description. I think it kinda looks like a car you’d find in GTA2 or 3.
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This interior screams ultraluxury to me 😆.
unfortunately I don’t think this is going to save jaguar.
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Here is a new subcompact ev from India. It’s about the size of a bronco sport, although not as tall. It’s not perfect, and I’d probably change a few things, but I find this to be an interesting design for a sub compact suv ev, especially with a range of 342 miles and a $23k price tag.-
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I haven’t paid attention to Nissan much, so I guess I didn’t realize things were getting that bad for them. I’ve never driven a Nissan, so can’t comment on that, but I like the new kicks, the frontier seems solid, and the Rogue seems to be as good as any other compact suv. I also like the Armanda redesign. Besides those, everything else is pretty bad. Although it seems like speculation, it might be cool if Honda did take over and get things going in the right direction.
https://www.motor1.com/news/742467/nissan-12-to-14-months-left-to-survive/
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Ford Sales January 2025 - Down 6.3% Overall
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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Most of the big % changes can be explained. Bronco has the 25’s coming out and the 24’s have some good discounts on them. The Mach e had some pretty big rebates. Maverick has supply issues. Ranger had supply issues last year. The only two I can’t really figure out are the explorer and transit. Explorer just had a refresh with a much improved interior. Whats its issue? Transit with a 45% drop, what’s the deal there?