Twin Turbo
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5 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
I wouldn't be too sure about that. I'm not going to get into it but let's just say it's rumored there was a plan B of the 2019 contract wasn't ratified....And no, Mexico wasn't involved.
Didn't the last UAW contract confirm that Flatrock would build the "all new Mustang" though?
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The front end is quite similar to this rendering that Ford released as part of the Mach E launch........I prefer the more aggressive headlamp style of the sculpture though. If that's the face of S650, I'll be happy!
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Not bad.............but it's just a current gen (for us Europeans) Focus Active Estate with Mach E headlamps.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MB8ZHzj17UE/maxresdefault.jpg[/img]
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Ah, thank you. Told you I didn't know enough about it lol
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I don't know enough about this, but could it be related to the closure of the Romeo engine plant? I would assume that the 5.2 Predator engine could be built elsewhere but, if not, the 6.8 could be a replacement for that in a future Shelby? The previous GT500's Trinity engine (5.8 Supercharged V8) only lasted 2 model years, so is it possible that Predator will only last 3 model years ('20/'21/'22.......then S650 is launched as a '23MY)
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I agree. This doesn't mean it's going in S650. Ford have already stretched the limits of what a Mustang can be with Mach E, so this could go in another vehicle Ford decides to call a Mustang. However, surely the options are limited? Right now the only Fords with V8s are the Mustang and the F-Series. Would they really badge an F-Series as a Mustang?
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Well, at 22m 14s he is asked what vehicles will receive the new engine and he clearly states "it'll be derivatives of the Mustang and the F150"
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w3iex143duqwyi3/Ford TA News Conference-2020.09.22.mp4?dl=0
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https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/breaking-unifor-and-ford-reach-tentative-agreement
"Dias said Ford’s Windsor engine plants will begin producing a new 6.8-litre engine in 2022 for the F-150 pickup truck and the Ford Mustang"
I can understand a new 6.8l for the F150, but for the Mustang, too? Surely not?!?
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7 hours ago, ice-capades said:
On or about October 12th... it'll be here before we know it!
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Anxiously awaiting the '21MY Mustang Order Guide!
(thank you for all your efforts in this section.......what WILL we do without you???!??)
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A pessimistic view from this Australian website, stating RHD S650s may not happen.
https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-news/ford-mustang-to-leave-australia
However, given how several good sources here have indicated S650 will be a heavily reworked S550 (D2C) with selected elements of CD6 I think RHD is still very possible. Besides, if Ford wants to keep hitting that 100k sales target it'd need all the global sales it can get, including RHD. Australia is, I believe, the second biggest market for Mustang outside of North America.
Personally, I get the impression that this website just thinks they'll plonk the Mustang body on an Explorer chassis and call it good.
The "problem" is Ford never openly discusses future product, so they will neither confirm nor deny this rumor. Heck, Ford UK still states "we have no current plans to sell the Mach 1".......and that's already been spotted in RHD pre-production form! (they said the same about the Bullitt.......but they've sold plenty of them here since!)
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I'm getting ahead of myself, but if S650 goes into production in late 2022, I wonder if they'll reveal it for the Mustang's 58th birthday on April 17th of that year. It'd certainly be a cool day to do it
(even if that is a Sunday.....yeah, I just checked lol)
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1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
It's going to be the most badass Mustang yet for sure.
That's what I want to hear ?
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ExplorerDude posted this back in April (in another S650 thread) and I think this makes sense. I've not seen "D5" mentioned in any other online articles that I can find, so that's some pretty specific information.
"From what I’ve gathered and seen, yes the S650 will be launching for the 2023MY and it’s expected to use the same platform (D2C) which is now called D5. This was done for substantial cost savings. As it is the program is still pretty expensive.
But it’s expected to use many CD6 components. Again, apparently using all the CD6 components would’ve made it too big and too heavy. The S650 is basically a new top hat on the same platform with more CD6 components used.
I’ve seen a sketch, and it’s not that far off from this article’s illustration. I will say the roofline drops 1 inch to make it even more swept back. It will be gorgeous I can assure you"-
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a33621861/when-is-the-new-mustang-coming-out/
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2022 S650 launches as a '23MY (lasts 3 years)
2025 S650 refresh as a '26MY (lasts 5 years)
2030 S750 launches as a '31MY
For reference
2014 S550 launches as a '15MY (lasts 3 years model years)
2017 S550 refresh as an '18MY (lasts 5 years model years)-
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Would you say that screen in the Bronco is the same size as in the F150? To me, they look as if they have the same width, but the Bronco one looks shorter in height. Could just be a trick of the camera, but it definitely looks a little smaller in the Bronco. Perhaps it's because the Bronco's one is slightly inset?
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Yes, I'd love to know if there are any changes to the rest of the '21MY Mustangs.......or if its just new colors plus the Mach 1 being added.
Thanks again, really appreciate your input
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That's great info, thank you!
I can't recall a time when the new Mustang model year started production in the same calendar year. This makes the '20MY a very long one!
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Can I ask a potentially silly question? The latest list shows Mustang production for 8/10/2020 and 8/24/2020....and shows these as the '20MY.
As far as I know, at least from what this article shows, Flat Rock will be down for a week from August 3rd for the Summer shutdown. Doesn't this usually coincide when the new model year switchover occurs? So my assumption (which is probably wrong!) is that '21MY production would start from August 10th. But that obviously doesn't fit with the dates above.
Any light you can shed would be appreciated, thank you!
- Ford Chicago Assembly Plant: June 29th
- Ford Louisville Assembly Plant: June 29th
- Ford Kentucky Truck Plant: June 29th
- Ford Flat Rock Assembly Plant: August 3rd
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If a production Mustang was ever going to get twin turbos, it would probably have been the GT500, but as we know that went with a tried and tested supercharger.
Mach1 has never been boosted......it's always been a n/a car and I don't expect that to change. Mach 1 will not tread on GT500's toes. It'll sit in the line-up somewhere along the lines of the Bullitt and GT350, both of which are gone for '21MY. The twin circular "intakes" could be spot lights.......but I hope not, lights in the grille worked for the S197's retro vibe, but don't work on the more modern S550 (in my opinion). They could just be intakes, like the '12/'13 Boss 302 had (well, they had covers which could be removed).
I'm hoping for/expecting a n/a 5.0 with around 500hp........hopefully with the optional 10-speed auto or the GT350's Tremec manual. A mix of PP2/GT350 suspension/brakes and that sprinkle with Mach 1 stripes/hood blackout/unique seat trim etc.
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Should be ST "Lite"..........all the looks, without the power
It's certainly a popular trim here in the UK (well, not on the Edge, as we don't get that anymore).
One thing though......isn't it rather late to be showing this as a '20MY? Surely makes more sense as a '21MY?
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Have they been sitting on these photographs? Those trees look rather bare!
EDIT - ignore me.....this clearly was an earlier photo, not one with the lettering on the back as per the thread!
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I still wonder if this rendering was "planted". It was on the website that showed the Mach E renderings........the designs that made it and those that didn't.......go to "Sketches" and it's half way down the page.
http://mustang-mach-e.fordpresskits.com/?p=pictures
It definitely says "Mach E" on the title, but Mach E was never going to be a 2-door coupe and that's definitely what this sketch is. Open the grille (as opposed to the blanked off EV version) and that would make a nice S650. Its not that far from the current S550 design.
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Perpetual Future Ford Products thread
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
Posted · Edited by Twin Turbo
The most recent report from Automotive news was that S650 (coming in 2022 as a '23MY) would last 8 years with a refresh in 2025 as a '26MY. They are assuming S650 moves fully to CD6, but good info here seems to infer that it'll be the current platform, but with the best bits of CD6 cherry picked. It was even stated on here that it will be called D5 (so, D2C + CD6 = D5)
EDIT - IT WAS EXPLORERDUDE THAT POSTED:
"From what I’ve gathered and seen, yes the S650 will be launching for the 2023MY and it’s expected to use the same platform (D2C) which is now called D5. This was done for substantial cost savings. As it is the program is still pretty expensive.
But it’s expected to use many CD6 components. Again, apparently using all the CD6 components would’ve made it too big and too heavy. The S650 is basically a new top hat on the same platform with more CD6 components used.
I’ve seen a sketch, and it’s not that far off from this article’s illustration. I will say the roofline drops 1 inch to make it even more swept back. It will be gorgeous I can assure you"
Next-gen Mustang gets 8-year life cycle
August 17, 2020
The last car standing in Ford Motor Co.'s U.S. portfolio will stick around through at least the next decade.
The automaker plans to stretch the next-generation Mustang program to eight years, up from a previously planned six, suppliers have been told.
Production of the next-generation Mustang will begin in late 2022 for the 2023 model year, according to people familiar with Ford's product plans.
The expectation for an eight-year program mirrors the life cycle of the current model, which went on sale in 2014.
It's not uncommon for automakers to shift product timelines in the years leading up to the launch of a new or redesigned model. Extending the seventh-generation Mustang's life cycle could help Ford save on engineering and development costs for a relatively low-volume nameplate as consumers increasingly opt for utilities or pickups.
The extension also signals Ford's confidence in the storied nameplate even as rumors swirl that one of its competitors, the Chevrolet Camaro, could be discontinued.
The next-generation Mustang is expected to be moved to the same rear-wheel-drive/all-wheel-drive platform shared by the Ford Explorer and Lincoln Aviator, which could mean a slightly larger silhouette.
Suppliers have been told that annual production volume for the next-gen pony car will tally just under 100,000 vehicles a year: Coupe volumes are projected at 77,000, and up to an additional 20,000 convertibles are planned, suppliers say.
The vehicle is scheduled for a freshening in 2025, suppliers have been told.